Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[IND151]

80 Rafale-type jets needed: IAF | idrw.org

 

[air marshal]

India caps Rafale buy [Combat Aircraft Monthly - August 2015]

 

[PARIKRAMA]

EXCLUSIVE The first Egyptian Rafale should be delivered in ten days

Les premiers Rafale égyptiens devraient être livrés dans une dizaine de jours - Defens'Aero

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EXCLUSIVE!

When signing the contract 5.3 billion between Jean-Yves Le Drian, Defense Minister, and Egypt, Monday, February 16, 2015, for the delivery of twenty four Rafale, including sixteen Rafale DM and EM eight Rafale to the Egyptian Air Force, the latter had requested that its first three Rafale were delivered before August so that it could scroll over the Suez Canal, August 5, at the inauguration of the enlargement of the canal work.

For this customer request is possible, it was necessary that the French Air Force agrees that three single seater Rafale, which were already being manufactured on the assembly lines Dassault Aviation, in Bordeaux-Merignac, do him are not delivered at their factory, but they are at the Egyptian Air Force.

To do this, Dassault Aviation and the Air Force have partnered to these two actors can meet the demand of Egypt. Therefore, Dassault Aviation has continued to rise three seater Rafale, now Egypt, taking into account in particular the removal of data and software for the implementation of the ASMP-A nuclear weapon, and software used for communications, given that Egypt is not part of NATO.

In parallel, the Air Force has received on the air base 118 of Mont-de-Marsan air base and 113 Saint-Dizier fighter pilots and Egyptian engineers to train so they can use independently, in a few months, their own Rafale on their own Egyptian air bases.

(Additional information, read the article: Future Egyptian Rafale fighter pilots are currently training in Mont-de-Marsan .)

These responsibilities, which weighed on all Dassault Aviation employees and the various staff of the Air Force, will be honored because according to my information, Dassault Aviation is expected to deliver the first three Rafale Egyptian DM in ten days.

This ceremony, although we do not yet know the precise location thereof, should certainly take place at the air base 125 of Istres, given that over the last few weeks of the test flights Egyptian Rafale were held on this basis.

Furthermore, and if not fuitent photographs on the web before the official ceremony, whether in the specialized media, an aerospace forum, etc ... This is the first time that we will see these three Rafale (B352 / 353/354) with Egyptian roundels.

Note that these twenty-four Rafale will be equipped with air-to-air missiles MICA cruise missile SCALP air-ground (called Black Shaheen for export version) and air-ground bombs AASM, developed by Sagem, and whose effectiveness has been demonstrated in Libya, Mali, and even today in Iraq.

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Egypt signed rafale contract and in another10 days getting delivery of first bird...
And we in India closed MMRCA and yet to sign even 36 order...talk about waste of time, and lost opportunities.. When we will ever learn

@Abingdonboy @DrSomnath999 @sancho

 

[Abingdonboy]

EXCLUSIVE The first Egyptian Rafale should be delivered in ten days

Les premiers Rafale égyptiens devraient être livrés dans une dizaine de jours - Defens'Aero

translated

EXCLUSIVE!

When signing the contract 5.3 billion between Jean-Yves Le Drian, Defense Minister, and Egypt, Monday, February 16, 2015, for the delivery of twenty four Rafale, including sixteen Rafale DM and EM eight Rafale to the Egyptian Air Force, the latter had requested that its first three Rafale were delivered before August so that it could scroll over the Suez Canal, August 5, at the inauguration of the enlargement of the canal work.

For this customer request is possible, it was necessary that the French Air Force agrees that three single seater Rafale, which were already being manufactured on the assembly lines Dassault Aviation, in Bordeaux-Merignac, do him are not delivered at their factory, but they are at the Egyptian Air Force.

To do this, Dassault Aviation and the Air Force have partnered to these two actors can meet the demand of Egypt. Therefore, Dassault Aviation has continued to rise three seater Rafale, now Egypt, taking into account in particular the removal of data and software for the implementation of the ASMP-A nuclear weapon, and software used for communications, given that Egypt is not part of NATO.

In parallel, the Air Force has received on the air base 118 of Mont-de-Marsan air base and 113 Saint-Dizier fighter pilots and Egyptian engineers to train so they can use independently, in a few months, their own Rafale on their own Egyptian air bases.

(Additional information, read the article: Future Egyptian Rafale fighter pilots are currently training in Mont-de-Marsan .)

These responsibilities, which weighed on all Dassault Aviation employees and the various staff of the Air Force, will be honored because according to my information, Dassault Aviation is expected to deliver the first three Rafale Egyptian DM in ten days.

This ceremony, although we do not yet know the precise location thereof, should certainly take place at the air base 125 of Istres, given that over the last few weeks of the test flights Egyptian Rafale were held on this basis.

Furthermore, and if not fuitent photographs on the web before the official ceremony, whether in the specialized media, an aerospace forum, etc ... This is the first time that we will see these three Rafale (B352 / 353/354) with Egyptian roundels.

Note that these twenty-four Rafale will be equipped with air-to-air missiles MICA cruise missile SCALP air-ground (called Black Shaheen for export version) and air-ground bombs AASM, developed by Sagem, and whose effectiveness has been demonstrated in Libya, Mali, and even today in Iraq.

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Egypt signed rafale contract and in another10 days getting delivery of first bird...
And we in India closed MMRCA and yet to sign even 36 order...talk about waste of time, and lost opportunities.. When we will ever learn

@Abingdonboy @DrSomnath999 @sancho

That is somewhat annoying to see but one cannot lose sight of context.

The Egyptians got a package deal (including Rafales and Frigates) from the French GOVERNMENT for off the shelf procurements and that to of just 24 Rafales coming directly out of FrAF stocks/orders.


The Indian deal is VERY different and many, many times more complex involving industrial offsets and customisation as per IAF needs not to mention the GoI/MoD/IAF are almost certainly in talks for follow-on orders beyond the 36 figure (think 80-200) most likely to be built in India. We should see some progress and some finality with the IAF's Rafale deal within the next few weeks.



Comparing apples and oranges my friend.

 

[IrbiS]

 

[Superboy]

Is this the record that takes the longest time to sign a deal? Geez man when can the deal be signed? 2020?

 

[SR-91]

India Starts Talks With France on Rafale Jets Purchase | idrw.org

New Delhi and Paris have started negotiating on the terms and conditions of India’s purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets from France, Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar said Tuesday.

“A Negotiating Team has been constituted by the Government to negotiate the terms and conditions of the procurement of 36 Rafale jets and recommend the draft agreement. The meetings of the Indian Negotiating Team with the French team have commenced,” Parrikar said in a written reply to a question by a member of the upper house of the Indian Parliament.

In June, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said that a deal on India’s purchase of French-made Rafale jets could be reached within the next two-three months. Eric Trappier, the head of the Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation, had earlier expressed hope that the deal would be finalized before the end of 2015.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the agreement between his country and France on the purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft in April. Initially India planned to buy 126 Rafale jets.

The Dassault Rafale is a multirole fighter jet which can be used for reconnaissance and nuclear strike missions.

 

[Superboy]

India Starts Talks With France on Rafale Jets Purchase | idrw.org

New Delhi and Paris have started negotiating on the terms and conditions of India’s purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets from France, Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar said Tuesday.

“A Negotiating Team has been constituted by the Government to negotiate the terms and conditions of the procurement of 36 Rafale jets and recommend the draft agreement. The meetings of the Indian Negotiating Team with the French team have commenced,” Parrikar said in a written reply to a question by a member of the upper house of the Indian Parliament.

In June, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said that a deal on India’s purchase of French-made Rafale jets could be reached within the next two-three months. Eric Trappier, the head of the Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation, had earlier expressed hope that the deal would be finalized before the end of 2015.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the agreement between his country and France on the purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft in April. Initially India planned to buy 126 Rafale jets.

The Dassault Rafale is a multirole fighter jet which can be used for reconnaissance and nuclear strike missions.

Back to square one. The Rafale saga will last a century.

 

[Hindustani78]

Ministry of Defence
21-July, 2015 13:33 IST

Progress on Rafale Fighter Aircraft Deal

As per the India-France Joint Statement issued by the two countries during the Prime Minister’s visit to France, Government of India conveyed to the Government of France that in view of the critical operational necessity for Multirole Combat Aircraft for Indian Air Force (IAF), Government of India would like to acquire (36) Rafale jets in fly-away condition as quickly as possible. The two leaders agreed to conclude an Inter-Governmental Agreement for supply of the aircraft on terms that would be better than conveyed by Dassault Aviation as part of a separate process underway, the delivery would be in time-frame that would be compatible with the operational requirement of IAF; and that the aircraft and associated systems and weapons would be delivered on the same configuration as had been tested and approved by Indian Air Force, and with a longer maintenance responsibility by France.

A Negotiating Team has been constituted to negotiate the terms and conditions of the procurement of 36 Rafale jets and recommend the draft agreement. The meetings of the Indian Negotiating team with the French side have commenced.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Dr. R. Lakshmanan in Rajya Sabha today.

 

[Blue Marlin]

New Rafale deal stalled
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The Rafale deal, rescued by Prime Minister Narendra Modi when he visited France in April, has hit a government air pocket. India's insistence that France spend 50% of the value of the Rafale deal in Indian defence sector (called an offset requirement) and pricing issues have meant that India and France have missed the July target of finalising the agreement on purchasing 36 fighter jets.​

Officials familiar with Rafale negotiations said higher political intervention may be required to hasten the process.

hese officials did not want to be identified. While the old Rafale deal — buying 126 aircraft — has been cancelled, progress on buying 36 French jets is stalled because the French say spending 50% of the value of the deal in Indian defence sector will push up the total deal cost for India. The 36 Rafale jets were offered at just over $200 million each when the PM visited France in April, a price 25% lower than that offered to the UPA government.

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar, however, has been insisting on 50% offset (he told ET this in an interview published on May 11) and Indian negotiators have been asking for this as well. The French have argued 50% offset obligation will not allow them to sell the jets at the price agreed upon in Paris in April. The deal size — less than $8 billion, as agreed during Modi's France visit — will also go up, officials say, if the Indian Air Force plan to create two bases for Rafale jets is accepted. Two bases will require separate, high-cost infrastructure as well as two sets of maintenance, training and armaments storage facilities.

There's also the issue of integrating third country weapon systems in French-made Indian Rafale jets. This integration will also drive up costs.

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[IND151]

Government withdraws tender for 126 medium multi role combat aircraft: Manohar Parrikar | idrw.org

 

[air marshal]

‎RIP MMRCA Deal‬

 

[W@rwolf]

If reports are to be believed, another MMRCA competition might be announced soon!

In another major step towards self reliance in the defence sector, a plan is being finalised to produce 90 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) in India, informed sources said. A Request for Proposal (RFP) is expected to be drafted soon after the new Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) comes in place.

Expected to be one of the biggest projects under the Make in India campaign, the cost of the programme is expected to be around $30 billion, the sources said. The Indian Air Force requires 126 MMRCAs. With India getting into an agreement with France to get 36 Rafale fighter jets in flyaway condition, there was a lack of clarity on how the rest of the gap will be filled. The sources said that now these remaining jets will be made in India, in what will be a major step in domestic manufacturing of such aircraft.

According to the sources, the air force does not have enough squadrons in the event of a joint war with Pakistan and China. “An RFP is expected to be drafted soon for making 90 MMRCAs in India. A global tender will be floated. The private sector will also have an active participation,” said an official from the defence ministry. As many foreign bidders were in the race when India set out to buy 126 MMRCAs, for which Dassault Aviation, the makers of Rafale, was finally chosen, the sources said all original bidders will be invited.

The list of fighters that were in competition for the MMRCA bid included Russia’s MIG-35 (RAC MiG), Swedish Gripen, Dassault, American Lockheed Martin and Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon made by a consortium of British, German, Spanish and Italian firms. The sources said that out of the 90 aircraft, 54 will be single-seaters and the remaining 36 tandem-seaters. There will be an option of acquiring 45 additional fighters as a follow-up order.

The Indian Air Force is expected to be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year, 576 fighter jets short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet required as per vision documents to face simultaneous two-front wars with Pakistan and China. At least three squadrons of the vintage Soviet origin MiG-21 and MiG-27 single engine aircraft are scheduled to be phased out.

Source - IANS

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[ACE OF THE AIR]

If reports are to be believed, another MMRCA competition might be announced soon!

In another major step towards self reliance in the defence sector, a plan is being finalised to produce 90 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) in India, informed sources said. A Request for Proposal (RFP) is expected to be drafted soon after the new Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) comes in place.

Expected to be one of the biggest projects under the Make in India campaign, the cost of the programme is expected to be around $30 billion, the sources said. The Indian Air Force requires 126 MMRCAs. With India getting into an agreement with France to get 36 Rafale fighter jets in flyaway condition, there was a lack of clarity on how the rest of the gap will be filled. The sources said that now these remaining jets will be made in India, in what will be a major step in domestic manufacturing of such aircraft.

According to the sources, the air force does not have enough squadrons in the event of a joint war with Pakistan and China. “An RFP is expected to be drafted soon for making 90 MMRCAs in India. A global tender will be floated. The private sector will also have an active participation,” said an official from the defence ministry. As many foreign bidders were in the race when India set out to buy 126 MMRCAs, for which Dassault Aviation, the makers of Rafale, was finally chosen, the sources said all original bidders will be invited.

The list of fighters that were in competition for the MMRCA bid included Russia’s MIG-35 (RAC MiG), Swedish Gripen, Dassault, American Lockheed Martin and Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon made by a consortium of British, German, Spanish and Italian firms. The sources said that out of the 90 aircraft, 54 will be single-seaters and the remaining 36 tandem-seaters. There will be an option of acquiring 45 additional fighters as a follow-up order.

The Indian Air Force is expected to be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year, 576 fighter jets short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet required as per vision documents to face simultaneous two-front wars with Pakistan and China. At least three squadrons of the vintage Soviet origin MiG-21 and MiG-27 single engine aircraft are scheduled to be phased out.

Source - IANS

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Not an other MMRCA tender... Indian members would commit ... They have waited so long for the Rafales.

 

[sathya]

I hope this is not a drama to hand over the tender to reliance