Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[The Maverick]

Fantasy? You are literally talking about an additional order that

1) Does not exist
2) No major non Indian defence outlet has even reported as a possibility recently
3) Worst Indian economic crisis in 40 years.

All three of the above are FACTS.

Now go on talking about non existent orders.....


Were you not banned dude? How did you get back in?

you really are childish....
why don't you just have an adult debate.without trolling... this banning line you use. the minute any indian poster dare challenge you fictional dreams which are so far removed from ground reality
pakistan is what it is .... we all know that
banning me or any indian will.not change this geo economic political ranking
rafales are here complete with scalp .meteore hammer rbe2 aesa radars.

add the massive s400 missle radar umbrella and an area of 400km radius has become a no go zone for your f16 and thunders

since swift resort your paf had virtually zero investment other than those 30 thunders Coming you people have rested on your laurels .
India has,added
Rafale
updated radio comms
s400 start arriving November
tejas,deal signed and arriving
more p8 Poseidon
Romeo helicopters,

pakistan economic reality your answer has been nothing virtually

that is the bee in the bonnet
but let's ban the Indians that will.make us feel better

 

[Yasser76]

you really are childish....
why don't you just have an adult debate.without trolling... this banning line you use. the minute any indian poster dare challenge you fictional dreams which are so far removed from ground reality
pakistan is what it is .... we all know that
banning me or any indian will.not change this geo economic political ranking
rafales are here complete with scalp .meteore hammer rbe2 aesa radars.

add the massive s400 missle radar umbrella and an area of 400km radius has become a no go zone for your f16 and thunders

since swift resort your paf had virtually zero investment other than those 30 thunders Coming you people have rested on your laurels .
India has,added
Rafale
updated radio comms
s400 start arriving November
tejas,deal signed and arriving
more p8 Poseidon
Romeo helicopters,

pakistan economic reality your answer has been nothing virtually

that is the bee in the bonnet
but let's ban the Indians that will.make us feel better

Time to stop your wet dreams. Please just post ONE SINGLE INDEPENDANT SOURCE, that shows a follow on order is on the cards. Do not change subject. Simple request. Just one source.

 

[The Maverick]

You cou;ld not be further from the Truth if you tried

The second order of rafale is very much on the cards either as the

1. Winner of 114 mmrca order OR
2. cancel of MMRCA order above and smaller order of 36 or slightly more Rafales GTG deal.

Looking at how India has paid for two air bases capable of handing 40 Rafales each the likely hood ids that once F4 version enters service in France IAF will sign for 36 to 40 more rafales in 2022-2023 timeframe

You comment re its fan boy ilusions is again far off the mark since both HAL Dassult and French prime minster are all pushing IAF to order next batch. ITS almost a forgone conclusion

Time to stop your wet dreams. Please just post ONE SINGLE INDEPENDANT SOURCE, that shows a follow on order is on the cards. Do not change subject. Simple request. Just one source.

please explain what is wet dream.about second Rafale order of 36 fighters .

we have 50.times your forex
10.times your GDP
6 times your defense budget
which part is wet dream.
do you understand we have a capex elements to our defense budget which this year and the next 10.years means we will have minimum.18 billion dollars a year just for new weapons..
just multiple 18 billion by 10 years
that's a whopping 180 billion with out inflation
now tell me 36 more Rafale is a wet dream.what 6 or 7 billion dollars
it's not only feasible it's highly likely

 

[Yasser76]

please explain what is wet dream.about second Rafale order of 36 fighters .

we have 50.times your forex
10.times your GDP
6 times your defense budget
which part is wet dream.
do you understand we have a capex elements to our defense budget which this year and the next 10.years means we will have minimum.18 billion dollars a year just for new weapons..
just multiple 18 billion by 10 years
that's a whopping 180 billion with out inflation
now tell me 36 more Rafale is a wet dream.what 6 or 7 billion dollars
it's not only feasible it's highly likely

2ND TIME ASKING. PROVIDE ONE LINK TO ADDITIONAL RAFALE ORDER.

 

[VkdIndian]

please explain what is wet dream.about second Rafale order of 36 fighters .

we have 50.times your forex
10.times your GDP

Some of these posters have written reams of paper on J-10C induction in the PAF. Has there been any official announcement or even intent by any side on that induction? Nope. Nada.

However these same blokes SOURCE DEMANDING bone gets activated suddenly and selectively.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Some of these posters have written reams of paper on J-10C induction in the PAF. Has there been any official announcement or even intent by any side on that induction? Nope. Nada.

However these same blokes SOURCE DEMANDING bone gets activated suddenly and selectively.

The difference here is that Pakistan is known to make inductions and not announce the order ahead of time. Many a times it has been the case that something was inducted...but came to surface much later.

We see similar secrecy with China...and therefore leaks, rumors, hints, blurry pics...start speculation...bcuz it's not like the military will announce it before inducting/purchasing something. They will simply announce it at their own convenience.

This is not the case with India. India publically announces all its purchases and inductions. The expectations are set based on the past trends.

 

[The Maverick]

The difference here is that Pakistan is known to make inductions and not announce the order ahead of time. Many a times it has been the case that something was inducted...but came to surface much later.

We see similar secrecy with China...and therefore leaks, rumors, hints, blurry pics...start speculation...bcuz it's not like the military will announce it before inducting/purchasing something. They will simply announce it at their own convenience.

This is not the case with India. India publically announces all its purchases and inductions. The expectations are set based on the past trends.

please explain your top secret sudden induction your referring too.

because I can't think of one

 

[VkdIndian]

The difference here is that Pakistan is known to make inductions and not announce the order ahead of time. Many a times it has been the case that something was inducted...but came to surface much later.

We see similar secrecy with China...and therefore leaks, rumors, hints, blurry pics...start speculation...bcuz it's not like the military will announce it before inducting/purchasing something. They will simply announce it at their own convenience.

This is not the case with India. India publically announces all its purchases and inductions. The expectations are set based on the past trends.

It does happen with China. Haven’t seen it happening with any major induction in Pakistan.

The first Rafale deal was not known till the Prime Minister reached France and it was announced there.

So there is a precedence to things being done in secrecy. There could be repetition this time too.

 

[Yasser76]

Some of these posters have written reams of paper on J-10C induction in the PAF. Has there been any official announcement or even intent by any side on that induction? Nope. Nada.

However these same blokes SOURCE DEMANDING bone gets activated suddenly and selectively.

Funny way of admitting you have no evidence. Usually Janes, Flight Global, have reports and as we know the Indian Media loses it's collective shit when even one Rafale plan lands in India.

All of them are quiet on a new order.....

It does happen with China. Haven’t seen it happening with any major induction in Pakistan.

The first Rafale deal was not known till the Prime Minister reached France and it was announced there.

So there is a precedence to things being done in secrecy. There could be repetition this time too.

No, nothing is done is secrecy, the Rafale deal was stuck in negitiations for YEARS and publicly debated in almost every Indian site BEFORE Modi went to France. It was the most public deal in India's history so please enough of this BS that hidden behind the scenes deals get done. You have been publicly debating and reporting on a deal for used MIG-29s for the last 2 years.

Happens all the time in Pakistan, zero news reports on Pakistan buying AAW139s, Hangor Subs and Chinese frigates until the day the deal was signed. We talk less and action more.



Nice try in rewriting history though.

 

[VkdIndian]

Before some posters go into depression here is an indication of more Rafales.

Decision to buy more Rafale aircraft or new fighter jets under consideration, IAF chief says

During his annual press conference, Air Chief Marshal R.K.S. Bhadauria also announced that the 36 Rafale fighter jets will be operationalised completely by 2023.

theprint.in

I am sure that IAF Chief’s comment would be unacceptable to “ RELABLE SOURCE” demanding friends here.

But that’s what I have. Meanwhile trying to get a confirmation from PAF Chief.
Till then don’t be angry.

 

[Yasser76]

Before some posters go into depression here is an indication of more Rafales.

Decision to buy more Rafale aircraft or new fighter jets under consideration, IAF chief says

During his annual press conference, Air Chief Marshal R.K.S. Bhadauria also announced that the 36 Rafale fighter jets will be operationalised completely by 2023.

theprint.in

I am sure that IAF Chief’s comment would be unacceptable to “ RELABLE SOURCE” demanding friends here.

But that’s what I have. Meanwhile trying to get a confirmation from PAF Chief.
Till then don’t be angry.

Read your own article.

" under discussion and debate "

Not a done deal.

 

[VkdIndian]

For some trolls

ON THE CARDS = DEAL SHOULD HAVE BEEN SIGNED = PRODUCTION STARTED = TRAINING TEAMS SHOULD HAVE GONE= WEAPON TRILAS DONE ETC ETC.

I fail to understand how “on the cards” meaning is different for these duds. Because DUDS they are.

But as you read a thread their propensity to derail a thread becomes clear. First they try and latch on to one statement by deriving a meaning as convenient to them, then they shift to dead bodies in rivers, failing there they start stooping to low levels by quoting mothers and sister kind of comments.

As @MirageBlue said ignoring such specimens is the best policy.

 

[Yasser76]

For some trolls

ON THE CARDS = DEAL SHOULD HAVE BEEN SIGNED = PRODUCTION STARTED = TRAINING TEAMS SHOULD HAVE GONE= WEAPON TRILAS DONE ETC ETC.

I fail to understand how “on the cards” meaning is different for these duds. Because DUDS they are.

But as you read a thread their propensity to derail a thread becomes clear. First they try and latch on to one statement by deriving a meaning as convenient to them, then they shift to dead bodies in rivers, failing there they start stooping to low levels by quoting mothers and sister kind of comments.

As @MirageBlue said ignoring such specimens is the best policy.

It is simple, option is being debated, some posters claiming it is a done deal, you posted evidence that actually confirms what I am saying, that this is by no means a done deal. It's simple, but I do not expect you to understand. As of now, no chance of anymore orders considering what is going on in India.

 

[The Maverick]

It is simple, option is being debated, some posters claiming it is a done deal, you posted evidence that actually confirms what I am saying, that this is by no means a done deal. It's simple, but I do not expect you to understand. As of now, no chance of anymore orders considering what is going on in India. No Oxygen but money for Rafales? No chance. Enjoy.

nobody said it's,a,done deal .
that is,fabrication of the truth
we,are all expecting a likely follow on order

why
because,our air forces chiefs,have,openly admitted a desire for more
we,have the mmrca which has Rafale as favourite for deal.if it happens
we have French media offering and encouraging second order..
yes your correct it's not signed
we are merely suggesting it's highly likely

a lot bit like your claims of more thunders,yet you have only ordered 30 new ones,from China in block 3 version

 

[The Maverick]

2ND TIME ASKING. PROVIDE ONE LINK TO ADDITIONAL RAFALE ORDER.

India-France-Sale Of More Rafales, Scorpenes & Naval Helicopters On Table - Global Defence News

Not only Rafales but 6 more french submarines possibly enlarged Scorpene Or even Sufferen Barracuda

India To Buy 36 Additional French Rafale Jets: Report (defenseworld.net)

You see Yasser all over global defense news the talk of rafale and india has been going for some time .

Its nothing new ............ It will happen its WHEN not IF