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Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]
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We think you are an idiot and a clown too.
A bharati call center troll who is a nobody is not taken seriously here so keep spewing your nonsense while we laugh the eff off at your crap.
Morale Boost: Indian Air Force received five Rafale fighter jets: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...-air-force-received-five-rafale-fighter-jets/
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Rafale vs J-20: Ex-IAF chief Dhanoa calls China’s bluff with ‘two simple questions’
Updated: Jul 31, 2020 11:04 IST
By Shishir Gupta, Hindustan Times New Delhi
Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa has always highlighted how Rafale fighter jets are better stealth fighters and are not inferior to China’s J-20 jets Rafale is 4.5 generation jet.
Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa on Friday dismissed claims that the Rafale fighter jets inducted by the Indian Air Force this week had no chance against China’s J-20 stealth fighter.
The claims, made by an ‘expert’ in Chinese Communist Party’s tabloid Global Times, claimed that the Rafale was superior to the IAF’s Sukhoi-30 MKI jets.
“It is only about one-fourth of a generation more advanced and does not yield a significant qualitative change,” Zhang Xuefeng, who was described by the communist party’s propaganda website as a Chinese military expert, said.
The website, quoting unnamed experts claimed, that “Rafale is only a third-plus generation fighter jet, and does not stand much of a chance against a stealth, fourth generation one like the J-20”.
Ex-IAF chief Dhanoa, who has described the 4.5 generation Rafale fighter jets as a “game changer for the IAF, responded to the Chinese claim with “two simple questions”.
“If the J-20, also called the Mighty Dragon, is indeed a fifth generation stealth fighter, then why does it have canards while genuine 5th generation fighters such as the US’ F 22, F 35 and Russian fifth generation Su 57 don’t,” Dhanoa asked.
Canards are fuselage-mounted small, forward wings located forward of the main wing to improve aircraft control and contribute to lift. They are considered to present large angular surfaces that tend to reflect radar signals.
“I don’t think J-20 is stealthy enough to be called a fifth generation fighter as the canard increases the radar signature of the fighter and gives away its position to a long-range BVR missile like the Meteor missile that the Rafale has.
The other question the former IAF chief has for the Chinese is: “Why can’t the J-20 supercruise if it is really a 5th generation fighter as its manufacturer Chengdu Aerospace Corporation calls it.”
Supercruise is the ability of a fighter jet to fly at speeds above M 1.0 - the speed of sound - without the use of afterburners, the additional combustion component used on some jet engines to increase thrust.
“The Rafale has the supercruiseability and its radar signature is comparable to the best of the fighters in the world,” Dhanoa told Hindustan Times.
The retired top air force officer had earlier this week shredded the Chinese propaganda of superior air capability, wondering that if the Chinese equipment was so good, Pakistan would have used its Chinese JF-17 and not the F-16 aircraft to attack Nangi Tekri brigade in Rajouri sector on 27 February 2019. But Pakistan used the Chinese JF-17 to merely give air defence cover to its Mirage 3/5 bombers. Or why China’s “iron brother” uses Swedish early air warning platforms up north and the keep Chinese AWACS in the south.
Incidentally, India is expected to get 12 more Sukhoi 30 MKI and 21 MiG 29s next year from Russia.
According to diplomats based in Moscow, the new Su-MKIs will “look better, shoot better, and fight better”.
The MiG 29 will be used for setting up a new squadron in Jamnagar in Gujarat and will have the same capability as the MiG 29 that India currently has.
https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-...vypDHeIrXI_amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Updated: Jul 31, 2020 11:04 IST
By Shishir Gupta, Hindustan Times New Delhi
Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa has always highlighted how Rafale fighter jets are better stealth fighters and are not inferior to China’s J-20 jets Rafale is 4.5 generation jet.
Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa on Friday dismissed claims that the Rafale fighter jets inducted by the Indian Air Force this week had no chance against China’s J-20 stealth fighter.
The claims, made by an ‘expert’ in Chinese Communist Party’s tabloid Global Times, claimed that the Rafale was superior to the IAF’s Sukhoi-30 MKI jets.
“It is only about one-fourth of a generation more advanced and does not yield a significant qualitative change,” Zhang Xuefeng, who was described by the communist party’s propaganda website as a Chinese military expert, said.
The website, quoting unnamed experts claimed, that “Rafale is only a third-plus generation fighter jet, and does not stand much of a chance against a stealth, fourth generation one like the J-20”.
Ex-IAF chief Dhanoa, who has described the 4.5 generation Rafale fighter jets as a “game changer for the IAF, responded to the Chinese claim with “two simple questions”.
“If the J-20, also called the Mighty Dragon, is indeed a fifth generation stealth fighter, then why does it have canards while genuine 5th generation fighters such as the US’ F 22, F 35 and Russian fifth generation Su 57 don’t,” Dhanoa asked.
Canards are fuselage-mounted small, forward wings located forward of the main wing to improve aircraft control and contribute to lift. They are considered to present large angular surfaces that tend to reflect radar signals.
“I don’t think J-20 is stealthy enough to be called a fifth generation fighter as the canard increases the radar signature of the fighter and gives away its position to a long-range BVR missile like the Meteor missile that the Rafale has.
The other question the former IAF chief has for the Chinese is: “Why can’t the J-20 supercruise if it is really a 5th generation fighter as its manufacturer Chengdu Aerospace Corporation calls it.”
Supercruise is the ability of a fighter jet to fly at speeds above M 1.0 - the speed of sound - without the use of afterburners, the additional combustion component used on some jet engines to increase thrust.
“The Rafale has the supercruiseability and its radar signature is comparable to the best of the fighters in the world,” Dhanoa told Hindustan Times.
The retired top air force officer had earlier this week shredded the Chinese propaganda of superior air capability, wondering that if the Chinese equipment was so good, Pakistan would have used its Chinese JF-17 and not the F-16 aircraft to attack Nangi Tekri brigade in Rajouri sector on 27 February 2019. But Pakistan used the Chinese JF-17 to merely give air defence cover to its Mirage 3/5 bombers. Or why China’s “iron brother” uses Swedish early air warning platforms up north and the keep Chinese AWACS in the south.
Incidentally, India is expected to get 12 more Sukhoi 30 MKI and 21 MiG 29s next year from Russia.
According to diplomats based in Moscow, the new Su-MKIs will “look better, shoot better, and fight better”.
The MiG 29 will be used for setting up a new squadron in Jamnagar in Gujarat and will have the same capability as the MiG 29 that India currently has.
https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-...vypDHeIrXI_amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
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Even F-35 cannot super-cruise.
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too fat, too heavy.
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Just like calling out a trash talker to play basketball ... hint: the trashtalker usually losesIndia should propose a duel to China to settle this matter.
2 x Rafale vs. 2 x J-20
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Alright, then India should have no problem taking back it's lost territory. Let's see when that happens.
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It does up to MACH 1.2.
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Just like calling out a trash talker to play basketball ... hint: the trashtalker usually loses
We would NEVER humiliate you guys like that.
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Yes, it would be a wonderful vision. One Rafale parked on the ground in the extreme left corner, one in the extreme right corner - All right, little ones, off you go, home to your Mums.
Dumb Americans. They could have taken over North Vietnam so many times over, given the number of superior planes they had.
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