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Czech Media : Pakistan shows interest in buying L-159

K-8 is pretty good but nice to have multiple platform
You learn something form different school of thought

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Nice Patrol / Trainer platform

Likely PAF going for 4 tear training model
Super Mushak -> K8 -> L-159 -> JF17 and/OR F16
I think it would be Super Mushak or even could be HURKS
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Better to check the configuration of latest Turkish HürJet advanced jet trainer.
 
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What advantage might this aircraft have over K-8?

I see no reason to opt for something like this. If anything, K-8 should be upgraded to enable it to undertake light ground attack missions.

Actually the K-8 is already geared for light ground attack and point defence roles. Not sure what more can the said platform offer.

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With out local production ,TOT this deal will be a wrong deal since we have come long way from importing things to making and exporting it will be serious blow ,lets hope all these will be connected in reference to project azm
 
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Actually the K-8 is already geared for light ground attack and point defence roles. Not sure what more can the said platform offer.

Thanks.

This goes to show why I am not convinced that L-159 or L-39 is needed. Both K-8 & L-159 seem to have similar flight performance based on the air-frame.

A trainer having FBW can be tailored to mimic another combat plane's performance. This could be the only reason for PAF to go for another platform.
 
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Great I did say Aero L-39NG to replace the K8. It's a great versatile platform to be successor to K8.
 
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This won't go anywhere. Jf17B is a much better aircraft. I bet they are using interest as a bargaining tool for something
 
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This goes to show why I am not convinced that L-159 or L-39 is needed. Both K-8 & L-159 seem to have similar flight performance based on the air-frame.

A trainer having FBW can be tailored to mimic another combat plane's performance. This could be the only reason for PAF to go for another platform.
The L-159 is between the K-8 and JF-17.

For example, the L-159 uses an afterburning engine with a thrust-rating of 28.2 kN, while the K-8 uses a non-afterburning engine with 16 kN thrust. If one's going to acquire the L-159, it'd for the FCU/LIFT role after the K-8, which is currently being done with FT-7Ps. It'll depend greatly on how much cheaper the L-159 is compared to the JF-17 in terms of acquisition and operating cost, especially the latter.

This is empty speculation on my part, but other reasons why the PAF might be considering the L-159:

(1) reduced confidence in the F-7PG/FT-7PG for post-2020 usage, especially in the training roles. There have been some noticeable losses in recent years with that aircraft;

(2) a need for a slow ground-attack aircraft for COIN, the L-159's payload is more than double than that of the K-8. Another option is turboprop planes, but the PAF doesn't seem to like those for the ground-attack role.

(3) the JF-17 might not be cheap enough for the training role, esp. after PAC transitions to the Block-III. Instead of maintaining a fleet of trimmed down JF-17s which can't do much in war, the PAF may prefer dedicating all JF-17 induction and use to purely frontline units, leaving advanced training to a separate and non-critical platform.

(4) leveraging for other Czech equipment, e.g. passive ELINT sensors (i.e. VERA), CZ small arms (i.e. unrestricted licenses for third-party exports), etc.
 
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Just a patrol craft

Training & Patrol
  • Super Mushak , a nice introductory platform , basic theory
  • HURKS - C Introduction to weapons , light ammunition
  • K-8 Introduction to Jet Engine craft
  • L-159, Introduction to Advance Jet Engine Craft
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Active Duty
  • Promotion to F7 / Mirage
  • Promotion to F16 C/D Airspace Defense Platform
  • Promotion to JF17 Multi Mission Platform

Apears to fill a void in Air-force not really an immediate need but 30 Trainers don't hurt for training school

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Doesn't make sense. You can built a JFT variant for $10 million with sub-sonic engine heavier than your K-8. Integrate various weapons on it and don't use JFT block II avionics. You'd have a very cost effective LIFT platform that you can build for cheaper, maintain it for much cheaper and no one can deny you any spares. When you already have an internal platform in terms of the JFT, why not modify it for certain roles and create variants? makes no sense.
JF-17 of the latest block costs over 30 million.
 
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I highly doubt the K8 can host a Optical Pod like L39NG can! Unless I am wrong.
 
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The news/rumours about L39/ 159 have been around since India's MMRCA and are likely to end up like J-10.
PAF may be interested but will end up seeing no utility.
 
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Interest is shown in many things but not every interest becomes reality.

Interest is shown in many things but not every interest becomes reality.
 
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