CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Galactic Penguin SST]

This is a faked report. From what I know this is plain BS. Russians are just citing Chinese sources, which are now reposted again and again. Babich himself has told that this is BS.

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Uppps ... forgot the link:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10156604993767166

This remind one of the story of the CVN Varyag, or more recently that of the Paektusan-1 rocket engine.

19 January, 2015

The shipbuilder did not want the hulk to be used for military purposes, so Xu's team told the Ukrainians that they would turn the vessel into the world's largest floating hotel and casino.

To that end, in August 1997, Xu set up a Macau shell company, Agencia Turistica e Diversoes Chong Lot, and spent HK$6 million getting the necessary documents for a casino. Four months later, in January 1998, he put his other businesses on the backburner and flew to Ukraine to negotiate with the shipbuilder and government officials.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...ing-became-middleman-chinas-deal-buy-liaoning
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All the major Chinese websites have reported the news, and the company exist!!:

Spoiler

http://himg2.huanqiu.com/attachment2010/2017/0904/20170904013332312.jpg
http://china.huanqiu.com/article/2017-09/11211403.html

▲ 辽宁舰前身总师瓦列里来华受聘：参与设计建造了苏联所有航母


But the said company website is only accessible via the google cache...

Baidu baike link : https://baike.baidu.com/item/青岛中乌特种船舶研究设计院有限公司


Official website of 青岛中乌特种船舶研究设计院有限公司 : http://www.qdcusa.com/

 

[samsara]

This remind one of the story of the CVN Varyag, or more recently that of the Paektusan-1 rocket engine.

19 January, 2015

The shipbuilder did not want the hulk to be used for military purposes, so Xu's team told the Ukrainians that they would turn the vessel into the world's largest floating hotel and casino.

To that end, in August 1997, Xu set up a Macau shell company, Agencia Turistica e Diversoes Chong Lot, and spent HK$6 million getting the necessary documents for a casino. Four months later, in January 1998, he put his other businesses on the backburner and flew to Ukraine to negotiate with the shipbuilder and government officials.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...ing-became-middleman-chinas-deal-buy-liaoning
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MOTIVE.... I can grasp the Xu's story --with ease-- for he had motive!

But what's the motive of the said fake story on the Ukrainian, Babich??? I just don't get the motive here.

Does anyone?

 

[Dungeness]

MOTIVE.... I can grasp the Xu's story --with ease-- for he had motive!

But what's the motive of the said fake story on the Ukrainian, Babich??? I just don't get the motive here.

Does anyone?

I don't know Russian's motive but I am sure Indians will jump on this fake news and belittle Chinese own effort.

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

MOTIVE.... I can grasp the Xu's story --with ease-- for he had motive!

But what's the motive of the said fake story on the Ukrainian, Babich??? I just don't get the motive here.

Does anyone?

Chinese sites like Peopledaily, Huanqiu have all confirmed the news, how could this be totally groundless?
And the said chief engineer is totally wasted as of present: "Valery Babich engaged in literary and journalistic activities since 2000."

Maybe some good news from China, like the Korean Paektusan 80-tons force rocket engine...

 

[Figaro]

Chinese sites like Peopledaily, Huanqiu have all confirmed the news, how could this be totally groundless?
And the said chief engineer is totally wasted as of present: "Valery Babich engaged in literary and journalistic activities since 2000."

Maybe some good news from China, like the Korean Paektusan 80-tons force rocket engine...

Fake news ...

 

[Dungeness]

Chinese sites like Peopledaily, Huanqiu have all confirmed the news, how could this be totally groundless?
And the said chief engineer is totally wasted as of present: "Valery Babich engaged in literary and journalistic activities since 2000."

Maybe some good news from China, like the Korean Paektusan 80-tons force rocket engine...

I read the report which only stated Babich was working for a newly found Chinese special ship designing institute. The report did mention Babich's past achievements in Ukraine as a ship designer.

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

Chinese sites like Peopledaily, Huanqiu have all confirmed the news, how could this be totally groundless?
And the said chief engineer is totally wasted as of present: "Valery Babich engaged in literary and journalistic activities since 2000."

Maybe some good news from China, like the Korean Paektusan 80-tons force rocket engine...

仿美尼米兹航母有成 瓦良格之父投效中国 带来3大技术 [复制链接]

2017-9-6

Analysis pointed out that via Babich, China has secured the three most critical technologies, that are the catapult, nuclear power and deck layout

中国第一艘航母「辽寧」舰服役后，一举一动令人关注。而最近更引人热议的，就是「辽寧」舰前身「瓦良格」号航母的乌克兰总工程师巴比奇（Valery Babich）投效中国，获聘青岛中乌特种船舶研究设计院有限公司。


巴比奇现年76岁，1941年1月27日出生于乌克兰，他可说是与中国交流最多的国外航母专家，受聘中国其实并不令人意外。他打造航母的资歷丰富，参与设计建造了苏联时期所有航母。凤凰网的军事评论指出，巴比奇至少能为未来中国航母提供3项关键技术。

在巴比奇先后参与打造苏联直升机航母「莫斯科」号和「列寧格勒」号的武器系统。接着身为设计主力，核心设计师与首席设计师先后参与「基辅」号、「明斯克」号、「新罗西斯克」号、「巴库」号、「库兹涅佐夫」号，「瓦良格」号与「乌里扬诺夫斯克」的设计建造。


然而，分析指出，在这些航母中，除了未建成的「乌里扬诺夫斯克」号外，对中国都没什么实质意义。而他真正的价值，却在履歷上没写的一艘关键航母——1160型航母。

1160型航母又名为「奥廖尔」级航母，它是苏联在美国「尼米兹」级航母服役后，完全参照对方的技术指标，而设计的一款弹射起飞、拦阻降落的巨型核动力航母。


儘管苏联涅瓦设计局只用了短短5年（1970-1975），就完成了1160型航母的全部设计，但最后却遭当时全力发展搭载垂直起降战机航母的国防部长乌斯季诺夫加以否决。而当时巴比奇不仅参与了1160型航母的设计，日后他设计的「库兹涅佐夫」级航母也大量採用了1160型航母的技术。

分析指出，对中国最有价值的，就是巴比奇打造1160型航母的资歷。儘管目前中国基本上完成了002型航母的建造，但要打造8-10万吨级航母仍是异常艰难，其中至少3项关键技术，就需要巴比奇这样的专家才能迅速获得突破。首先是弹射器的布置，先前中国虽然从「墨尔本」号航母上获得了弹射器的基本布局资料，但当时弹射器已被拆毁。也因此，巴比奇掌握的1160型航母弹射器结构技术资料，就显得相当重要。

除了弹射器布局，1160型航母方案在末期计画搭载的舰载机正是苏27K（苏33），因此弹射器完全是根据苏-33战机的需求设计，而中国的歼-15舰载机又酷似苏-33战机。分析指出，巴比奇能为中国提供有关弹射器，以及机型匹配布置方面的技术与经验。

除了弹射器外，另一项关键技术，就是航母核动力装置布局。1160型航母採用两套「基洛夫」级巡洋舰的核动力装置（KN-3压水堆×4），而这套装置在他负责的「乌里扬诺夫斯克」号航母上重现。


巴比奇仿造美国「尼米兹」级航母已有心得，对积极打造巨型核动力航母的中国极具价值

分析指出，KN-3压水堆本身的技术价值不大，而身为航母总师的巴比奇也未必能掌握。他所掌握的是10万吨级核航母的动力舱布置，其中除了涉及压水堆安装，还包含大量管线布置，以及舱室安置与安全防护。

而这些正是航母设计总师所负责的核心工作，因此巴比奇在这些方面的建议，对中国建造巨型核动力航母而言，无疑相当重要。而相对于弹射器与核动力动力布置这种航母本身的关键技术，巴比奇掌握的另一项关键技术往往很容易被忽略，那就是甲板布置。

纵观苏联航母发展，1160型航母是苏联设计完成的唯一具备弹射起飞，以及拦阻降落能力的大型航母，1160型航母也就成了唯一在舰载机数量上能匹敌美国航母的苏联航母。因此，1160型航母包括机库、升降机与甲板在内的整个甲板布置体系，决定了近100架舰载机的最大出动效率。而这种高效甲板布置体系，除了美国航母外，仅有胎死腹中的1160型航母才具备，而在这方面，巴比奇对要建造巨型航母的中国的价值可想而知。

分析指出，弹射器、核动力与甲板布置，是中国能从巴比奇身上获得的3项最关键技术，这些技术在可预见的时期，无论是对乌克兰还是俄罗斯都已没有实质意义，或许中国才是类似巴比奇这种「苏联航母设计师」实现未竟事业的天堂。

(中时电子报)

http://www.chinatimes.com/cn/realtimenews/20170905005249-260417

 

[samsara]

Fake news ...

Fake news from the People's Daily Online, part of 人民日报 ???

Then please tell us again what's the MOTIVE of the People's Daily to fake such news???

The PD's terse article mentioned No year info but I guess Babich was hired during the Liaoning's reconstruction... so it quite makes sense. I think it's the Ukrainian who had the motive to disown his past involvement with China... while the Chinese major media suffer no inferior-complex to openly admit the contribution of the Varyag's chief designer

I think that Babich should have signed the 20-30 year-long NDA with his former employer at first

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

Fake news from the People's Daily Online, part of 人民日报 ???

Then please tell us again what's the MOTIVE of the People's Daily to fake such news???

The PD's terse article mentioned No year info but I guess Babich was hired during the Liaoning's reconstruction... so it quite makes sense. I think it's the Ukrainian who had the motive to disown his past involvement with China... while the Chinese major media suffer no inferior-complex to openly admit the contribution of the Varyag's chief designer

I think that Babich should have signed the 20-30 year-long NDA with his former employer at first

Not fake news. Liaoning is not a nuclear propulsion ship. It is clearly mentioned he helps in the development of the post Type 002 CV.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not fake news. Liaoning is not a nuclear propulsion ship. It is clearly mentioned he helps in the development of the post Type 002 CV.

This news has emphasized the importance of the project 1143.7, so maybe this could suggest that the Type 003 has the chance to become nuclear powered?

 

[samsara]

A video on CV-18 TYPE 002, uploaded on 03 September 2017 -- Spoken Chinese with No EngSub

First exposure!! China's 002 aircraft carrier resembles to the Kitty Hawk!
首次曝光！！中国002航母类似小鹰号！

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

A video on CV-18 TYPE 002, uploaded on 03 September 2017 -- Spoken Chinese with No EngSub

First exposure!! China's 002 aircraft carrier resembles to the Kitty Hawk!
首次曝光！！中国002航母类似小鹰号！

That's an old news, and these modules all belong to the tanker which being built in the shipyard alongside the Type 002 (formerly the Type 001A).

 

[Deino]

STOP !!!!

仿美尼米兹航母有成 瓦良格之父投效中国 带来3大技术 [复制链接]

2017-9-6

Analysis pointed out that via Babich, China has secured the three most critical technologies, that are the catapult, nuclear power and deck layout

...
... but I guess Babich was hired during the Liaoning's reconstruction... ...

Just again !!! .... this is a fake, a blatant lie !!!

Babich never got a contract nor was contacted. He directly refuted this stupid report in the interview I posted.

Deino

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think this news has been sensationalized, but it is likely that Mr. Babich could share some of his designing experience with the designers of the Type 003.

The catapult and the nuclear reactor will definitely be Chinese.

 

[Figaro]

I think this news has been sensationalized, but it is likely that Mr. Babich will share some of his designing experience with the designers of the Type 003.

The catapult and the nuclear reactor will definitely be Chinese.

I seriously doubt it ... I believe it is pure Chinese ingenuity ... the Russian and Ukrainian help is often heavily overstated as in the case of Liaoning

This remind one of the story of the CVN Varyag, or more recently that of the Paektusan-1 rocket engine.

19 January, 2015

The shipbuilder did not want the hulk to be used for military purposes, so Xu's team told the Ukrainians that they would turn the vessel into the world's largest floating hotel and casino.

To that end, in August 1997, Xu set up a Macau shell company, Agencia Turistica e Diversoes Chong Lot, and spent HK$6 million getting the necessary documents for a casino. Four months later, in January 1998, he put his other businesses on the backburner and flew to Ukraine to negotiate with the shipbuilder and government officials.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...ing-became-middleman-chinas-deal-buy-liaoning
​

All the major Chinese websites have reported the news, and the company exist!!:

Spoiler

http://himg2.huanqiu.com/attachment2010/2017/0904/20170904013332312.jpg
http://china.huanqiu.com/article/2017-09/11211403.html

▲ 辽宁舰前身总师瓦列里来华受聘：参与设计建造了苏联所有航母


But the said company website is only accessible via the google cache...

Baidu baike link : https://baike.baidu.com/item/青岛中乌特种船舶研究设计院有限公司


Official website of 青岛中乌特种船舶研究设计院有限公司 : http://www.qdcusa.com/

You really need to stop reposting false info ...

Not fake news. Liaoning is not a nuclear propulsion ship. It is clearly mentioned he helps in the development of the post Type 002 CV.

No he didn't ... there is no indication that he helped other than erroneous reporting