Crucial Indian Cruise Missile Tests In A Year.

[ganimi kawa]

Greater speed = more friction (IR signature) + straighter terminal approach = easier to intercept (if detected early enough)

The tables turn at mach 20 because, at that speed, a 30 km detection range gives only 3 seconds to react.

So, you mean to say that the subsonics are so slow and their friction is so less that their IR signature will be negligible ?

NOPE!

In your own words......

Unless the sea is boiling hot, the IR signature ( of subsonics, too) will stick out like a sort thumb.

In fact due to their slow speed, the aircrafts covering the fleet can bring them down with IR guided missiles (Python has demonstrated this capability but not against supersonics).



So, please no more of that more friction---- higher IR sig-----easier interception BS, it has been debunked in the American circles,too. A look at the future of American AShM program.....

ArcLight will employ a rocket booster, sustainer accelerating the weapon to hypersonic speed, from where the strike vehicle will glide at high speed, carrying a warhead weighing 100-200 pounds to strike the target with pinpoint accuracy

So, now your lord of technology agrees with us, too!


Added later....

1.Why can't you intercept your target from the front? Where is it written that you much chase it from the side or rear?

2.Remember, the interceptor is passive so the BrahMos doesn't know it's there and isn't taking evasive action.

1. Looks like a job for Superman! (at least for now)

2. What is an "S" manuever then? There are a host of measures that an AShM can take to dodge a interceptor and brahmos can do almost all of them without any significant decrease in speed!

 

[SpArK]

 

[GORKHALI]

Unless the BrahMos is flying over a bed of lava, its friction heat signature will be easy to detect.

IR SIGNATURE REDUCTION
Identify technologies that aid in signature reduction, signature masking, or other means to confuse detection systems. Some of these technologies include radar jamming and spoofing technologies; infrared suppression of engine exhaust; paints and coatings that disguise the thermal signature of leading edges; computer routines that predict the flow field around aerodynamic surfaces and the methods to change those surfaces to reduce heat transfer and turbulent flow fields; wind tunnel technology that supports the computer prediction; and computer routines that predict the RCS from a given geometry and predict redesign methods to achieve certain design specifications.

ABOVE RULE IS APPLIED TO TRANSONIC CRUISE MISSILES or SUB SONIC CM OR SUPER SONIC CM ....but when it comes to super sonic CM it becomes more DEADLIER THAN ever with its speed.....

NO MORE ASSUMPTION BASIS SCIENCE TECH

 

[Developereo]

@Developero..
Plz answer me..

Brahmos is outdated,so we will test Brahmos-II next year..it will be Mach-8 speed..
then all will this same theory applies for mach 8 missile flying @10 meters above the sea....??

Already did in post 93: http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...-cruise-missile-tests-year-7.html#post1478349

So, you mean to say that the subsonics are so slow and their friction is so less that their IR signature will be negligible ?

All aircraft have surface friction heat but it goes up as a function of speed. I don't know if the relationship is linear, but probably not.
A missile travelling at mach 0.7 will not be as visible as one at mach 2.8 but, yes, over an ocean it will also stand out.

So, now your lord of technology agrees with us, too!

ArcLight is expected to travel at mach 12 to 20.

2. What is an "S" manuever then? There are a host of measures that an AShM can take to dodge a interceptor and brahmos can do almost all of them without any significant decrease in speed!

BrahMos doesn't know the interceptor is there. Is it going to do a random dance in its terminal phase?

IR SIGNATURE REDUCTION

I am sure the folks at STATFOR are quite familiar with these techniques and still came out with the opinion that BrahMos IR signature is detectable.

 

[tallboy123]

Ok developero,which system exists currently which can intercept and neutralize Brahmos...?

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Already did in post 93: http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...-cruise-missile-tests-year-7.html#post1478349



All aircraft have surface friction heat but it goes up as a function of speed. I don't know if the relationship is linear, but probably not.
A missile travelling at mach 0.7 will not be as visible as one at mach 2.8 but, yes, over an ocean it will also stand out.



ArcLight is expected to travel at mach 12 to 20.



BrahMos doesn't know the interceptor is there. Is it going to do a random dance in its terminal phase?



I am sure the folks at STATFOR are quite familiar with these techniques and still came out with the opinion that BrahMos IR signature is detectable.

The S maneuver is done in the end phase of the missile that is to make sure the hit-to-kill probability of the interceptor missile is greatly reduced as the interceptor missile lacks the momentum in the boost phase. The coast phase of the interceptor is the major maneuvering phase.

Bharmos uses the speed advantage to execute this maneuver correctly...it is also done by the Onyx, Yakhont and the C-803. And the most important aspect of Bhramos is it's 'dive' maneuver which is more difficult to intercept as the direction is confusing...

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Ok developero,which system exists currently which can intercept and neutralize Brahmos...?

Only ESSM claims that they can intercept the Bhramos system.

And you must understand Bhramos is not God-Sent..it can be brought down...but the probablity of bringing it down is very low.

 

[tallboy123]

Only ESSM claims that they can intercept the Bhramos system.

And you must understand Bhramos is not God-Sent..it can be brought down...but the probablity of bringing it down is very low.

Well,then Navy will launch 2 Brahmos simultaneously to the target....
Then...?

 

[Ammyy]

Well,then Navy will launch 2 Brahmos simultaneously to the target....
Then...?

I dnt think they need second launch

Only some countries can claim to take down Brahmos .... But its sure they are not our neighbors

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Well,then Navy will launch 2 Brahmos simultaneously to the target....
Then...?

Well you need to understand the main principle of missile doctrine...we follow the 'salvo-launch' doctrine...and then close in...you must also bring in the helicopter launched AShM in our arsenal and on all our frigates and corvettes.

 

[Developereo]

The S maneuver is done in the end phase of the missile that is to make sure the hit-to-kill probability of the interceptor missile is greatly reduced as the interceptor missile lacks the momentum in the boost phase. The coast phase of the interceptor is the major maneuvering phase.

Bharmos uses the speed advantage to execute this maneuver correctly...it is also done by the Onyx, Yakhont and the C-803. And the most important aspect of Bhramos is it's 'dive' maneuver which is more difficult to intercept as the direction is confusing...

Already covered. The manoeuvers will be 'flattened out' precisely because of the high speed and forward momentum.
Common sense: what is easier to turn? a car travelling at 10mph or at 100mph?

 

[GORKHALI]

I am sure the folks at STATFOR are quite familiar with these techniques and still came out with the opinion that BrahMos IR signature is detectable.

heheh stratfor folkz never even close to 10km proximity when brahmos tested from three wheeler island

DEBATE BASED ON YES /NO ,there are no ground for CAN /MAYBE

 

[GORKHALI]

Already covered. The manoeuvers will be 'flattened out' precisely because of the high speed and forward momentum.
Common sense: what is easier to turn? a car travelling at 10mph or at 100mph?

what is easier to intercept a bullockcart or F1 CAR ????

 

[ganimi kawa]

Already did in post 93: http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...-cruise-missile-tests-year-7.html#post1478349



All aircraft have surface friction heat but it goes up as a function of speed. I don't know if the relationship is linear, but probably not.
A missile travelling at mach 0.7 will not be as visible as one at mach 2.8 but, yes, over an ocean it will also stand out.



ArcLight is expected to travel at mach 12 to 20.

You have to consider both the detection range and speed of the incoming missile while calculating reaction time.

A subsonic detected @ 30 km and Brahmos detected at 90 km both give equal reaction time. Once detected, a subsonic is easier to intercept!




Arclight is a BGRV ( something similar to Shaurya) not a proper cruise missile, so it's obvious that it works @ higher mach no. than Brahmos 2. But that gives you an idea of what the trend is, it does not mean mach 8 at a low trajectory is a dud.

BrahMos doesn't know the interceptor is there. Is it going to do a random dance in its terminal phase?



I am sure the folks at STATFOR are quite familiar with these techniques and still came out with the opinion that BrahMos IR signature is detectable.

So, the subsonics know where the interceptor is?

It's always the interceptor chasing the missile!

 

[GORKHALI]

no doubt there will be some system to intercept cruise missile traveling at MACH 3 with S maneuver and dive ...BUT THEN THERE WILL A CRUISE MISSILE TRAVELING AT HYPERSONIC SPEED too ...

till then BRAHMOS IS ULTIMATE WEAPON SYSTEM ATLEAST IN ASIA