Crony Capitalism catapults Anil Ambani’s fortunes as Rafale chosen to fly in Indian skies

[ashok321]

Dumbwit the deal is of whole package including integration cost of Indian weapons

So you have no idea what you are blabbering when you start from F1 to F3R?
If it was for the whole package why mention the two references?

What is the integration cost of Indian weapons and what they are?

 

[cerberus]

So you have no idea what you are blabbering when you start from F1 to F3R?
If it was for the whole package why mention the two references?

What is the integration cost of Indian weapons and what they are?

Learn There huge technological difference BTW F1 trance and F3R Which signed

F1 trance is Like earlier blocks of F-16 blk 15 And 20 both have generation difference

F3R+ latest generation trance of rafale which comes with RBE2 AESA with meteor and scalp integrated
MICA Beyond Visual Range missile, air-to-ground HAMMER,SCALP missile AM39 EXOCET anti-ship missile, laser guided bombs. Spectra

The last part is of particular interest to India and these aircraft are likely to succeed Mirage fighters for nuclear warhead delivery as part of India’s nuclear doctrine. “The IGA does not put any restrictions on its use,” a senior defence official said in what would be welcome news for India’s strategic planners.

The basic cost of the aircraft is about €91 million or about Rs. 680 crore and little over Rs.1600 crore per aircraft for the whole deal. Defence sources said the agreement has many components, which are better that the original deal and the best part is the weapons package.

The weapons package includes Meteor radar guided Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile considered the best in the class with range of over 150 km and Scalp long range air to ground missiles. Defence officials said that the Meteor has a superior range than anything available in the region. “Our air superiority will be retained,” an official observed.

The deal includes the aircraft in fly-away condition, weapons, simulators, spares, maintenance, and Performance Based Logistics support for five years. “For five years we do not have to spend on maintenance,” sources said. Warranty is extendable by two years by factoring inflation and further by another five years upon negotiation. For the entire deal inflation has been capped at a maximum of 3.5 % or current rate whichever is lowest.

Officials said that inflation in Europe is at one percent and expected to continue so, which means that there will be savings in the course of the deal.

Dassault will begin aircraft deliveries after 36 months and complete in 67 months. France will also provide logistics and ground support and ensure that there is 75 percent i.e. 27 aircraft are operationally available at any time.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/India-France-ink-€7.87-billion-agreement-for-36-Rafales/article14995775.ece

 

[ashok321]

 

[cerberus]

Qatar Signed Deal of 7 billion for Just 24 rafale Which are Not Even F3R+


France and Qatar seal $7 billion Rafale fighter jet deal - Reuters UK

this was real escalated cost of 126 rafale in Which was over 20 billion $ +

MMRCA deal: India to scrap $20 billion mega project for 126 Rafale ...

Dassault Rafale deal: New fighter is good but price is worrying : North ...

 

[ashok321]

Noob Learn There huge technological difference BTW F1 trance and F3R Which signed

F1 trance is Like earlier blocks of F-16 blk 15 And 20 both have generation difference

F3R+ latest generation trance of rafale which comes with RBE2 AESA with meteor and scalp integrated
MICA Beyond Visual Range missile, air-to-ground HAMMER,SCALP missile AM39 EXOCET anti-ship missile, laser guided bombs. Spectra

The last part is of particular interest to India and these aircraft are likely to succeed Mirage fighters for nuclear warhead delivery as part of India’s nuclear doctrine. “The IGA does not put any restrictions on its use,” a senior defence official said in what would be welcome news for India’s strategic planners.

The basic cost of the aircraft is about €91 million or about Rs. 680 crore and little over Rs.1600 crore per aircraft for the whole deal. Defence sources said the agreement has many components, which are better that the original deal and the best part is the weapons package.

The weapons package includes Meteor radar guided Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile considered the best in the class with range of over 150 km and Scalp long range air to ground missiles. Defence officials said that the Meteor has a superior range than anything available in the region. “Our air superiority will be retained,” an official observed.

The deal includes the aircraft in fly-away condition, weapons, simulators, spares, maintenance, and Performance Based Logistics support for five years. “For five years we do not have to spend on maintenance,” sources said. Warranty is extendable by two years by factoring inflation and further by another five years upon negotiation. For the entire deal inflation has been capped at a maximum of 3.5 % or current rate whichever is lowest.

Officials said that inflation in Europe is at one percent and expected to continue so, which means that there will be savings in the course of the deal.

Dassault will begin aircraft deliveries after 36 months and complete in 67 months. France will also provide logistics and ground support and ensure that there is 75 percent i.e. 27 aircraft are operationally available at any time.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/India-France-ink-€7.87-billion-agreement-for-36-Rafales/article14995775.ece

This article was pasted by me right here last year, and you are out to teach me by saying I should learn some?

What is the integration cost of Indian weapons as you said and what are those weapons?

https://twitter.com/x/status/930696061794029570

 

[cerberus]

This article was pasted by me right here last year, and you are out to teach me by saying I should learn some?

What is the integration cost of Indian weapons as you said and what are those weapons?

Noob

Don't try smart you know there not thing wrong in this deal

3.2b for 36 Rafale, unit fly away cost becomes 95m/ac.
1.8b for associated supplies
1.7b for integrating India specific weapons.( Astra,DRDO Anti radiation missile.SAAW bombs .Israeli's HMDS
700m for weapons.(meteor ,Hammer,Scalp MICA Etc)
350m for spares.
(All figures in Euros)
This means that any further Rafale thru MII will come atleast 10m cheap on unit fly away cost. The other costs are one time costs and will not be applied proportionally to any further purchase of Rafale.
The deal as brokered by UPA was for about 22b for 126 aircraft of which 18 were supposed to come from France. The equivalent deal price for the renegotiated deal is now:-
7.8b for first 36 Rafale
90 Rafele @ 110m/ac average price after adjusting for escalation of 3.5%/annum for next seven years amounting to 9.9b.
TOTAL FOR 126 AIRCRAFT 7.8+9.9=17.7B. A SAVING OF OVER 4.3B OVER WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED BY UPA. This saving is the amount of bribe which the Italian waitress was supposed to pocket. From this saved amount we can buy S-400. So basically we are getting Rafale and S-400 for the same price for which UPA had negotiated only Rafale.
The benefits and savings if Kaveri gets going thru offsets will amount to over USD8b over 25 yr period. The benefits from other 15 techs out of total 16 contracted as part of offsets notwithstanding.


PS:Now Go **** yourself

 

[ashok321]

Noob

Don't try smart you know there not thing wrong in this deal

3.2b for 36 Rafale, unit fly away cost becomes 95m/ac.
1.8b for associated supplies
1.7b for integrating India specific weapons.( Astra,DRDO Anti radiation missile.SAAW bombs .Israeli's HMDS
700m for weapons.
350m for spares.
(All figures in Euros)
This means that any further Rafale thru MII will come atleast 10m cheap on unit fly away cost. The other costs are one time costs and will not be applied proportionally to any further purchase of Rafale.
The deal as brokered by UPA was for about 22b for 126 aircraft of which 18 were supposed to come from France. The equivalent deal price for the renegotiated deal is now:-
7.8b for first 36 Rafale
90 Rafele @ 110m/ac average price after adjusting for escalation of 3.5%/annum for next seven years amounting to 9.9b.
TOTAL FOR 126 AIRCRAFT 7.8+9.9=17.7B. A SAVING OF OVER 4.3B OVER WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED BY UPA. This saving is the amount of bribe which the Italian waitress was supposed to pocket. From this saved amount we can buy S-400. So basically we are getting Rafale and S-400 for the same price for which UPA had negotiated only Rafale.
The benefits and savings if Kaveri gets going thru offsets will amount to over USD8b over 25 yr period. The benefits from other 15 techs out of total 16 contracted as part of offsets notwithstanding.


PS:Now Go **** yourself

I am going by your own BS:

Dumbwit the deal is of whole package including integration cost of Indian weapons

And you have no defense on your own verbal diarrhea.
Too bad.

 

[cerberus]

I am going by your own BS:



And you have no defense on your own verbal diarrhea.
Too bad.


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LOL Heart burn when countered with facts

 

[ashok321]

TV channels blackout Congress party’s LIVE press briefing on JKR’s Rafale expose. Fear of Indian government and Ambani?

http://www.jantakareporter.com/indi...congress-partys-press-briefing-rafale/159691/

Why has the Modi Government forgone transfer of technology which was available during Man Mohan Singh time?

 

[cerberus]

TV channels blackout Congress party’s LIVE press briefing on JKR’s Rafale expose. Fear of Indian government and Ambani?

http://www.jantakareporter.com/indi...congress-partys-press-briefing-rafale/159691/

Why has the Modi Government forgone transfer of technology which was available during Man Mohan Singh time?

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[ashok321]

https://twitter.com/x/status/930686701340590080

https://twitter.com/x/status/930380352018792448

 

[anant_s]

guys have you read this
https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1975NEWDE14031_b.html
& this
https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976NEWDE01909_b.html


@Levina @nair
@Abingdonboy @Taygibay @Nilgiri @MilSpec

 

[Chhatrapati]

@anant_s We have unnecessary Socialism in our nation. So, we see corporate as enemies of the nation that suck the blood of public.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What goes around comes around...

Looks like the Indian establishment writes scripts not only for Pak but also for themselves. By the by, are these folks somehow related to Mareari/Gujrati folks who sold Bengal to the British????

 

[anant_s]

unnecessary Socialism

I'm not against it, especially when you see country's history after independence, when poverty alleviation was need of the hour but unfortunately our schemes only led to more corruption and poor getting poorer.
Whats worse is that talented entrepreneurs who created wealth and value for GDP were looked down and supposed to feel guilty for millions of others who were still poor.
Truly speaking what we need is more encouragement to capitalism with emphasis on transparency rather than remaining in past ideology of Garibi Hatao!