We celebrate the return of Salim and congratulate him as he has managed to answer atleast one question. The involvement of India in the Bangladesh War he has ignored as "irrelevent" and as "the same issue repeated in a new skin" although scrolling back down the pages will reveal that Indias involvement has not been discussed!
You aren't in the game of brownie points... oh now i know, i am so sorry that i did not realize it before! Anyway, what about the game of scoring pinkie points?
Oh, its a new issue as if i did not mention the issue in that huge post back there... okay fine, the tiger is always right!
To be frank I am tired of brownie points or pinkies that seems to be your forte.
Well atleast you aren't blaming Pakistan for your problems! Yup me too I blame the politicians too for keeping the old hatred alive but aren't many indian people like that too? I don't think some hindus need the governments help to hate muslims.
Only the weak and insecure, who do not wish to admit their own faults like to blame others. It is 60 years that have gone past and if countries have not stabilised and are full of insecurity, it is the fault of their system and the weakness and fear of its people. Only those who are not confident of their own beliefs are the one who squirm and shake and blame the world.
I am not the spokesman for India, but on a personal note, I reckon idiots need not belong to only one country. Idiots are beyond borders and if some people hate Moslems, then they are idiots and viuce versa.
But the muslim population is too small in proportion to the hindu population so i don't really think your votes count that much! Thats what my uncle told me... he said muslims in india were like cattle led to wherever the qovernment led them or wanted them to go! Caste divide? The muslim caste in India suffer much more proverty than other castes... muslims as a caste in india are weak and ignored as well! I dunno why you don't see it. Well i haven't ever heard of "muslim votes making or breaking the government" Has any government in India ever been formed because of the widespread acceptance of muslims?
The Indian govt is not to be formed for the acceptance of any community. It has to be acceptable to Indians of all hues. Why should a govt of India be formed to please Moslems alone? I fail to see the logic. Are govts of Pakistan formed to please the Christians and Hindus? Is the US President voted in to please the Negros? All govt is for the people, of the people and by the people! That is democracy!
I am afraid, with all due regards to your Uncle, he has to visit the rural India to realise what is poverty and then make a judgement. Laloo Pershad of Bihar and Mulayam Singh of UP are perfect example of what happens when the Yadav and Moslem votes get split. 20 years of fooling the people on false promises made all see the hoax being perpetuated for the politician personal power!
Salim are you going to some madrassa in india? Joey said many muslims go to madrassahs in india but i haven't seen or heard about a single one going to madrassahs... Well you did tell me that you were uneducated and unskilled so you stayed in India, remember... so I thought about asking you!
I live in Bengal. Yes, quite a few Moslems go to the Madrassas. Nothing wrong in that. The West Bengal govt has formalised the education and has brought it at par with the Higher Secondary level of education. I never said I am uneducated or unskilled. Does my English indicate it so? I said the majority of Moslems who remained were not the educated ones and to whom it matter nothing since all the high morals being spouted during the Partition in no way affected their sad state of affairs! You must understand the fear of the unknown. The Homeland for Moslem i.e. Pakistan was a great salve for the soul for the Moslems, but to the unlettered, they neither had seen it or experienced it. In India, they knew exactly where they were and what could be expected of life, because they had seen and experienced it. Therefore, for the good or the worse, they took comfort in the known.
Till late, Indian Moslems did not strive to improve themselves. However, when the majority realised that a small family would make the family income go a long way, they did their best and got their children educated. Today, they occupy high ranks in govt, police and even the Army where the Deputy Chief is a Moslem! The richest man in India is the IT King, who just happens to be a Moslem! Those days are gone where the Moslem was merely an artisan and a shanty dweller!
Well I don't think it is anything new that you are blaming someone you don't like for your misfortunes! Today it is the communists, yesterday it was Lashker-E-Taiba, Day before yesterday it was the Kashmiris, before that it was Pakistan and tomarrow it will be someone else! So u are saying they are only doing this for their love of China just because their ideoligies meet? What hypocracy is this? I understand you are trying to say that the parties work for self interest but there is no self-interest i see here... the communists have always suffered hatred ever since the system was created!
I am not blaming Communists at all. I am just indicating what scoundrels they are. I have held this opinion all through. Would you appreciate if a Pakistan held allegiance to a foreign power? If you do, then you are a Saint. I am no Saint and I know that.
It is a interesting idea of yours that political parties don't work for their self interest. I presume, BB, NS, Musharraf, the Choudhuris, Imran Khan, Altaf et al are all Second Coming of Christ to heal the world, more importantly, Pakistan!
Man, we support Musharrafs decision to support America in defeating al-qaeda and the taliban because they had done a wrong by slaying so many people but none of us supports the so-called war on terror which is branding great organizatons such as hezbollah and revolutionary guards as terrorists! We like most muslims hate americas pathetic foreign policy...
dead against the US? I have never heard that... comeon what are you trying to prove... don't kid yourself... atleast don't make up vague statements, i can say that the muslims in Pakistan are more anti-US than those in India. A survey questioning Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians and Bangladeshis found this out! Muslims in India are less concerned about the actions of USA than the muslims of Iran and Pakistan and comeon do some of my cousins in India wanna go to USA for no reason? Don't try to invent stuff! Are you trying to say you care about ur religion more than us?
The interesting part is that I have no religion since in my opinion religion bogs down a person's individuality. Religion is also necessary for those who require the some crutch to make up for the deficiency of the confidence in oneself. All religions speak of good, but all religions work to organise strife and divide mankind. Think of it. Are you any different from me or is a AQ activist any different from my physical attributes? So, why kill on something one has not seen?
I am not here on a competition which country's Moslem hate the US more. If Pakistanis are rabidly against the US so be it. But sadly, one should not also extend the begging bowl to someone one hates!
Good, at least you don't blame pakistan for your internal political problems too... ohhhh so you are saying that it is the muslims who are making them change their policies? thats totally vague, a lot of other factors and reasons are involved for the parties withdrawing. You talk like all the indian muslims do not want the deal to go by and all indians are anti-US although the survey proves otherwise. Well i have never seen indians in my family swear and curse Americans as people from my Khandaan in Pakistan have.
I give way. You and your relatives know more about India than anyone in India. It is fine with me.
If u wanna prove that Indian muslims are so Anti-American why do you not call urself "The Indian Taliban" and become mullahs and start a "jihad" against the Americans? Truth is if you had so many Anti-American muslims in India you would have 5 times as many problems with militancy and terrorism because those anti-americans would first think about fighting the injustices in their own country first! Yaaayy i scored a brownie point... u said u were not a mullah and you were!!! I got you!
Why should I go on a jihad against the US?
What harm have they done to my country?
Only a lunatic or a oddball like Don Quixote fought against windmills!
As I said don't try to make things up, it won't work as I am half-indian no matter how much i hate it...
Good that at least you have the goodness and guts claim that you are half Indian. Hopefully, you will bridge this stupid gap that Indians and Pakistanis love to dwell in.
What about widespread hatred for Pakistan which you have not been willing to comment upon as you cannot deny... Well my cousin told me never to mention i was a pakistani, he actually shook me and told me I was half-indian and to atleast say that. He also told me about some of the comments about pakistanis mentioned there. Some of them were:
1) This is a debate of college students of what they would do if they saw a pakistani in India:
a>The day i see a pakistani here i will kill him with my own hands!
b> I will slay him with my grand-fathers sword...
c> I will... all women in his household and will leave his father begging (because of the language they used here and how they graphically spoke about what they would do to the women it is just better to say they said "they will destroy his family")
2) We will throw pakistanis back to the gutters from where they belong
3) Pakistani males are ummm... male-oriented and deserved to be drowned...
4) Pakistani women were born to get... (well i can't mention this one cauz i will be kicked out for violating the privacy policy) they also mentioned pakistani women bleeding and screaming.
Thats some of the stuff he tells me he has heard... I know you are enjoying this and reading it over and over again just for the heck of it dude but i am sorry and I can't please you anymore... i mean i did please you with these comments as you are the guests here...
Nah, i ain't too sure of that. I mean you don't need to take the trouble and you know its a dangerous world... i mean seeing you peoples love for Pakistanis portrayed through those 4 comments i heard i am quite sure you will NOT pick me off the street and beat the hell out of me as soon as you see me
Yes, ofcourse i am sure to find only love, welcome and acceptance at your doorstep as I always have in India!
If big talk could mean the destruction, then the world would have been destroyed long back. The silly statements of silly college boys are things that I couldn't care less about. They can take a running jump into the Arabian Sea and if they are so sure, whey don't they put their money where there is mouth is?
Anyway you haven't answered anything about Indias stand on Bangladesh and your lust for money and land which brought you there which checking back to atleast 10 pages there is nothing about! (You said it was being repeated over and over again as you said about the Pakistan hatred in India thing...) I think you should find a better excuse when you are trying to avoid stuff!
1. Indias stand on Bangladesh.
2. Hatred for Pakistan.
3. Treatment of minorities in India... convince me that minorities are not treated badly in your country cauz i am not in anyway convinced and nor are my family living in your own land!
So this is what I want you to answer me otherwise me and everyone on this site who has been noticing our conversation will view you as a loser. If you have any honour you will surely give a proper reply
Just look back until page 30 to look at what I said till here! U'll know what I have been talking about!
Does it please you immensely that I look a loser?
And does it really matter to me as to what some in the cyberspace think of me?
Hardly.
Chum, I have been banned from two forums of the cyberspace and I have been asked to return.
That proves my worth and it also proves that there is some value in what I say.
However, that does not in anyway mean I am a
Khalifa!