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Creation of Bangladesh

Salim,
160 Million Pakistani Muslims will be behind you when sikhs will join hindus against Muslims as they did in past.
 
The Pakistani purpose to support Khalistan movement was to liberte you(sikhs).after all East Punjab is a neighbouring province and you were in trouble when your loving Indian Government attacked "Golden Temple".

Now i am proud of my Country for helping Sikhs in their time of need.:pakistan:

I wonder why people cry foul when we do the same i.e. "helping troubled people in our neighbourhood in time of need".....:woot:
 
The evidence of genocide in bangladesh by pakistani army is overwhelming. though the exact casuality figures are not known, it definitely stretches into the millions. There's no point denying it.

I'm proud of my country for helping the bangladeshis in their time of need

Intruder,

Read all the posts first.then you will know who initiated all that.

Tragedy of East Pakistan happened in 1971 and incident of Golden Temple happened in 1984.
 
Thats a really big statement which I doubt the majority of Bangladeshis would approve. What benefit would Bangladesh have derived from joining India?

My Salaam to you First of all I would like to tender my apologies to any one whom may have been offended by my point of view munshi bhai i apologize & i recognize the people's republic of Bangladesh as an independent & sovereign country , however i do stand by my point. See munshi bhai i myself is an Urdu speaking person & my family members left India for east & west Pakistan in the 50s some even in 1964 & i also support Pakistan & Bangladesh but not blindly if there are thing that is wrong say with Pakistan, Bangladesh in my view then i have no problem accepting it like wise if there is anything wrong with India i have no problem accepting it or even my own country Canada if something is wrong then its wrong in my perception however i am human & I am vulnerable to being wrong my self & i totally accept that fact yes why not we all are with respect so the best i can do is learn, join forums, read history, news, social science etc as an individual I have had the opportunity to visit all the three countries in south Asia India ,Pakistan & Bangladesh & there are thing that I love about all the of them like I love the city of joy Calcutta I find the people there to be the best to interact in fact Calcutta , Istanbul, Toronto & Lahore are the three places most probably that I really enjoy interacting with people & I find them piety down to earth then there is nothing like the home made food of Dhaka a lot of memories & good ones manarat international school my first school was in Dhaka & Karachi wow can you beat that city though I am not comfortable interacting much in Karachi but with all my socialist sarcasms (laugh) Karachi is a city that I am in love with now that’s even strange to me be it north nazimabad, Clifton or Azizabad not to mention Snoopy's ice cream pour lour in gulshan e Iqbal is worth dying for no doubt: however now coming down to the subject see with respect Bangladesh is 55,513 sq ml with a population of 160 million people what is the most important thing in life not country not religion not point of vies but human welfare well being of human’s comes first & for most so if Bangladesh would have untied with India back in 71 only it could have got it self an special status like with first opportunity's for the province of east Bengal of the Indian union then the rest of India mrs.Indira Gandhi would have readily accepted it but by knocking of sheik Mujib ur Rahman along with his entire family & letting narcissist establishment that of the pro pakistan late presiden zia ur rahman & giving him & his pro-Pakistan general & friend removing the communists & replacing them with the Pakistan repatriate Bengali army officer’s some of whom were even more anti India & the hard core of hardcore Pakistan generals & letting them imposing martial law in 1975 giving them a free hand to creating an statuesque Pakistan type capitalists societies under the the control of some handful of people specially the pro Pakistan Bengali ex Pakistan army officer’s like ex-president Ershad killing the mukti bahiunis one by one at night during late president zia-ur-rahman’s rule thus paving way for the ultimate the mother of all ISI stooge govt of all times in the history of Bangladesh or anywhere else take charge the khaleda plus jamaat e islami 4 party coalition govt who have just recently been kicked out of power who were used to luxuries doing nothing for the poor people of Bangladesh ignored population control measures these cruel for the riches only types animals ruling an sovereigns country whose very independence they opposed for people who call you illegal immigrants just take a good look at this very thread & you will know my friend severing ties with India all for nothing being more anti Indian then the Pakistanis them self’s who calls you all illegal immigrants & what not giving late precedent general Zia urrahman undue advantage letting his puppets reintroducing the bogus philosophies of one Muslim soldier is equal to ten Hindus why what was the need for it ? indirectly claiming the seven sisters states why what was the need for it ? For whom Pakistan? dint you read how they think about you they call you guys illegal immigrants & you are fighting a proxy for them now this is wrong isn't it today by doing all this the innocent 16 crore people of Bangladesh who have suffered a lot at the hands of the pro-Pakistan policies of the Zia, Ershad, & the khaleda/jamaat govt are being stagnated in a 55,513sqml of land will Pakistan take them?? no then why not join India? Think about it you can travel to Calcutta, Bombay, Delhi, madras, wherever you want stay wherever you like stay for forever no problem at all India will become you country its booming economic growth will be yours those who call you illegal immigrants will hide there face in shame so why not join India plus this will also increase the Muslim power in India you will in fact be in a better position why break your heat in Karachi when you have Bombay, Goa waiting for you why cry in Lahore when you have the Punjabi beauty of Delhi at your side think live
& live with dignity India is yours even today just leave this talk of separation & join the Indian union & break free from this curse of the partition this55,513sq ml of poverty with 160 million people bieng derived of a better & take destiny in your own hands see then even American’s will salute you.
salaam
 
Salim,
160 Million Pakistani Muslims will be behind you when sikhs will join hindus against Muslims as they did in past.

people who calls ones own Muslim brothers as illegal immigrants sounds very Hippocratic when they talk like this plain & simple there nothing for Muslims to be happy in this statement its pure nationalism thats the hard fact sir, the Muslims in India are quiet well of India is not a Hindu country it's a secular country just like my country Canada & definitely i would never like anybody saying that his country will be behind me when the majorities of my countrymen turn against me sorry sir keep your nostalgia to your self thanks. proof read this thread carefully though you sound like a nice brother i have respect for you but no thanks why waste your time on illegal immigrants
peace.
 
Where is the requirement to fight?

Salim is back! Tell me why do you try to avoid what you cannot answer. You do not want to admit that India had vested interests for joining the war nor do u wanna admit that evrything written back there in that post is true, e.g. the treatment of minorities in india!!! Continue ur "dodging" of important issues and problems in india... one day it will surely hurt you guys!
 
Genmirajborgza,
I am shocked after reading your posts.Well i am also a urdu speaking person and my Grandfather was a freedom fighter any ways i can understand what u are saying but bro this is not the forum to talk those things i have answers to your questions but i think we should discuss it somewhere else(may be via private messages).
 
My Salaam to you First of all I would like to tender my apologies to any one whom may have been offended by my point of view munshi bhai i apologize & i recognize the people's republic of Bangladesh as an independent & sovereign country , however i do stand by my point. See munshi bhai i myself is an Urdu speaking person & my family members left India for east & west Pakistan in the 50s some even in 1964 & i also support Pakistan & Bangladesh but not blindly if there are thing that is wrong say with Pakistan, Bangladesh in my view then i have no problem accepting it like wise if there is anything wrong with India i have no problem accepting it or even my own country Canada if something is wrong then its wrong in my perception however i am human & I am vulnerable to being wrong my self & i totally accept that fact yes why not we all are with respect so the best i can do is learn, join forums, read history, news, social science etc as an individual I have had the opportunity to visit all the three countries in south Asia India ,Pakistan & Bangladesh & there are thing that I love about all the of them like I love the city of joy Calcutta I find the people there to be the best to interact in fact Calcutta , Istanbul, Toronto & Lahore are the three places most probably that I really enjoy interacting with people & I find them piety down to earth then there is nothing like the home made food of Dhaka a lot of memories & good ones manarat international school my first school was in Dhaka & Karachi wow can you beat that city though I am not comfortable interacting much in Karachi but with all my socialist sarcasms (laugh) Karachi is a city that I am in love with now that’s even strange to me be it north nazimabad, Clifton or Azizabad not to mention Snoopy's ice cream pour lour in gulshan e Iqbal is worth dying for no doubt: however now coming down to the subject see with respect Bangladesh is 55,513 sq ml with a population of 160 million people what is the most important thing in life not country not religion not point of vies but human welfare well being of human’s comes first & for most so if Bangladesh would have untied with India back in 71 only it could have got it self an special status like with first opportunity's for the province of east Bengal of the Indian union then the rest of India mrs.Indira Gandhi would have readily accepted it but by knocking of sheik Mujib ur Rahman along with his entire family & letting narcissist establishment that of the pro pakistan late presiden zia ur rahman & giving him & his pro-Pakistan general & friend removing the communists & replacing them with the Pakistan repatriate Bengali army officer’s some of whom were even more anti India & the hard core of hardcore Pakistan generals & letting them imposing martial law in 1975 giving them a free hand to creating an statuesque Pakistan type capitalists societies under the the control of some handful of people specially the pro Pakistan Bengali ex Pakistan army officer’s like ex-president Ershad killing the mukti bahiunis one by one at night during late president zia-ur-rahman’s rule thus paving way for the ultimate the mother of all ISI stooge govt of all times in the history of Bangladesh or anywhere else take charge the khaleda plus jamaat e islami 4 party coalition govt who have just recently been kicked out of power who were used to luxuries doing nothing for the poor people of Bangladesh ignored population control measures these cruel for the riches only types animals ruling an sovereigns country whose very independence they opposed for people who call you illegal immigrants just take a good look at this very thread & you will know my friend severing ties with India all for nothing being more anti Indian then the Pakistanis them self’s who calls you all illegal immigrants & what not giving late precedent general Zia urrahman undue advantage letting his puppets reintroducing the bogus philosophies of one Muslim soldier is equal to ten Hindus why what was the need for it ? indirectly claiming the seven sisters states why what was the need for it ? For whom Pakistan? dint you read how they think about you they call you guys illegal immigrants & you are fighting a proxy for them now this is wrong isn't it today by doing all this the innocent 16 crore people of Bangladesh who have suffered a lot at the hands of the pro-Pakistan policies of the Zia, Ershad, & the khaleda/jamaat govt are being stagnated in a 55,513sqml of land will Pakistan take them?? no then why not join India? Think about it you can travel to Calcutta, Bombay, Delhi, madras, wherever you want stay wherever you like stay for forever no problem at all India will become you country its booming economic growth will be yours those who call you illegal immigrants will hide there face in shame so why not join India plus this will also increase the Muslim power in India you will in fact be in a better position why break your heat in Karachi when you have Bombay, Goa waiting for you why cry in Lahore when you have the Punjabi beauty of Delhi at your side think live
& live with dignity India is yours even today just leave this talk of separation & join the Indian union & break free from this curse of the partition this55,513sq ml of poverty with 160 million people bieng derived of a better & take destiny in your own hands see then even American’s will salute you.
salaam

Awwww... Do u have a fever or are you just tired after a bad day? Oooohhhh great! Well i too have had the honour to go to all 3 countries. I have family in all 3 countries...

Our family in india are discontent with the constant oppression they suffer just because they are muslim e.g. hindus being preffered over muslims for job positions, they have little political power, no rights and hindus are favoured when muslims are killed! I have felt the bias and dislike each time I have gone there. Even I am supposed to be half-indian but I see myself only and only as a Pakistani! ... Furthermore the oppression of kashmiris, the only muslim dominated society in india screams the fate bengalis would have suffered in India. My family in bangladesh are happy but never wanted East and West Pakistan to break... they still view us as close brothers just as my family in Pakistan views Bengladeshis.

:hitwall: :cry: How many times will I have to repeat myself on Indias stand on Bangladesh??? Why are the Indians represented as "noble knights" who came to save Bengalis in their time of trouble... the indians were only seeking to gain land, resources and wealth which is proven by the land taken from you guys and the soldiers etc from us for which they could "bargain"! They hated east pakistan as much as they hated west pakistan and to prove this u can pick up any newspaper from before the war and read Indias comments about East Pakistan! The indians were always angry and raging at how they had actually lost Pakistan! It was pure vengeance and the opportunity they had because of the civil war that they used to their advantage. Yes, some bangalis may view them as heroes but it is nothing but the truth that they were just using you. They had no love for Bahinis or East Pakistan. Infact they were as likely to support some vile rebellion leader just wanting to spread death and destruction by pillage, murder, rape and loot because it gave them an opportunity to get back at those who fought for independence against them. If the world pressure was'nt so great they might have taken all of bangladesh and not let it go just like they are not letting Kashmir go! Sadly, the truth is that it was the same hate which you fought against alongside us during independence that brought them to help the Bahinis and Bangladesh.

You are so totally insulting me right now! Many bengalis supported and voted for zia-ul-haq etc. Comeon i am a muhajir!!! I was never ever called an "illegal immigrant." I can assure any people who want to come to pakistan that they will not be ignored or mistreated as is the case in india from where we all came running! Booming growth... well pakistan also has the 3rd fastest growing GDP rate... :P many sources even say it has taken indias place so why not choose pakistan rather than... Dude why would anyone, be it a bengali or whoever, choose delhi rather than the Lahore hospitality, beauty and the warm welcome they'd recieve, why is it that those who come there wanna live and die for that land can you please tell me? And karachi the beautiful city of lights... why are we diverging anyway to a comparison between India and Pakistan? There is no chance of bangladesh going to either side if that is what u wanna say! Bangladesh is a sovereign state and it has already chosen its destiny and has decided its future!

So you are saying that Bangladesh should join India ignoring all of this? Proverty oh please! India would just steal from bangladesh and the people of the nation more than know it as they know of the land they lost to india. My bangladeshi uncle there would rather die than hear someone even mention ceding Bangladesh to india, he said so himself! Bangladesh would be in a much worser condition than it is now if it was with India because of the bias. I do not think that conditions in Bangladesh are that bad as I have been there myself! Why do you want to insult the economy of an independent nation? Yes, there is proverty just like there is in the rest of the world but slowly that proverty is dissappearing and Bangladesh can rise to new heights without joining India which i must admit is the most absurd idea ever suggested as the "secular" nations treatment of minorities is so well known and they would not like to give rights and power to vote to so many muslims as it makes the government weaker (they can call it secular and put in figureheads to prove it but the majority of muslims are not treated as well as the hindus are which in truth are the rulers of the country!)

So is it not a completely vague idea to suggest that Bangladesh should be ceded to India, the country bengalis fought to break free from? Is it not merely stupid to suggest that India which had no love for Bangladesh (except that of what India could get from it) should rule it? Is it not unacceptable for you to accept that an independent free nation should give up its soverneighty to its neighbor just because they supported you for its own vested interests?... well it must be unacceptable for all those who value freedom and did you forget how ur forefathers fought to end living with the hindu injustice, constant bias and descrimination all the time? Well i value freedom and for that freedom I will die just as the generations before me were willing to die!

Please my bengali brothers this post is only inspired by dislike or hate! That same hate was once directed against you and you people fought to gain independence and free yourself of it alongside your Pakistani brothers. In truth we have always loved u and still do and that is why it still hurts me when someone insults Bangladesh! We still think of you as brothers rather than the indians whose relationship with you was of what they could get from you and us and depended more on the situation! Well, the choice of deciding your future is your own and no one elses!
 
My Salaam to you First of all I would like to tender my apologies to any one whom may have been offended by my point of view munshi bhai i apologize & i recognize the people's republic of Bangladesh as an independent & sovereign country , however i do stand by my point. See munshi bhai i myself is an Urdu speaking person & my family members left India for east & west Pakistan in the 50s some even in 1964 & i also support Pakistan & Bangladesh but not blindly if there are thing that is wrong say with Pakistan, Bangladesh in my view then i have no problem accepting it like wise if there is anything wrong with India i have no problem accepting it or even my own country Canada if something is wrong then its wrong in my perception however i am human & I am vulnerable to being wrong my self & i totally accept that fact yes why not we all are with respect so the best i can do is learn, join forums, read history, news, social science etc as an individual I have had the opportunity to visit all the three countries in south Asia India ,Pakistan & Bangladesh & there are thing that I love about all the of them like I love the city of joy Calcutta I find the people there to be the best to interact in fact Calcutta , Istanbul, Toronto & Lahore are the three places most probably that I really enjoy interacting with people & I find them piety down to earth then there is nothing like the home made food of Dhaka a lot of memories & good ones manarat international school my first school was in Dhaka & Karachi wow can you beat that city though I am not comfortable interacting much in Karachi but with all my socialist sarcasms (laugh) Karachi is a city that I am in love with now that’s even strange to me be it north nazimabad, Clifton or Azizabad not to mention Snoopy's ice cream pour lour in gulshan e Iqbal is worth dying for no doubt: however now coming down to the subject see with respect Bangladesh is 55,513 sq ml with a population of 160 million people what is the most important thing in life not country not religion not point of vies but human welfare well being of human’s comes first & for most so if Bangladesh would have untied with India back in 71 only it could have got it self an special status like with first opportunity's for the province of east Bengal of the Indian union then the rest of India mrs.Indira Gandhi would have readily accepted it but by knocking of sheik Mujib ur Rahman along with his entire family & letting narcissist establishment that of the pro pakistan late presiden zia ur rahman & giving him & his pro-Pakistan general & friend removing the communists & replacing them with the Pakistan repatriate Bengali army officer’s some of whom were even more anti India & the hard core of hardcore Pakistan generals & letting them imposing martial law in 1975 giving them a free hand to creating an statuesque Pakistan type capitalists societies under the the control of some handful of people specially the pro Pakistan Bengali ex Pakistan army officer’s like ex-president Ershad killing the mukti bahiunis one by one at night during late president zia-ur-rahman’s rule thus paving way for the ultimate the mother of all ISI stooge govt of all times in the history of Bangladesh or anywhere else take charge the khaleda plus jamaat e islami 4 party coalition govt who have just recently been kicked out of power who were used to luxuries doing nothing for the poor people of Bangladesh ignored population control measures these cruel for the riches only types animals ruling an sovereigns country whose very independence they opposed for people who call you illegal immigrants just take a good look at this very thread & you will know my friend severing ties with India all for nothing being more anti Indian then the Pakistanis them self’s who calls you all illegal immigrants & what not giving late precedent general Zia urrahman undue advantage letting his puppets reintroducing the bogus philosophies of one Muslim soldier is equal to ten Hindus why what was the need for it ? indirectly claiming the seven sisters states why what was the need for it ? For whom Pakistan? dint you read how they think about you they call you guys illegal immigrants & you are fighting a proxy for them now this is wrong isn't it today by doing all this the innocent 16 crore people of Bangladesh who have suffered a lot at the hands of the pro-Pakistan policies of the Zia, Ershad, & the khaleda/jamaat govt are being stagnated in a 55,513sqml of land will Pakistan take them?? no then why not join India? Think about it you can travel to Calcutta, Bombay, Delhi, madras, wherever you want stay wherever you like stay for forever no problem at all India will become you country its booming economic growth will be yours those who call you illegal immigrants will hide there face in shame so why not join India plus this will also increase the Muslim power in India you will in fact be in a better position why break your heat in Karachi when you have Bombay, Goa waiting for you why cry in Lahore when you have the Punjabi beauty of Delhi at your side think live

You're making it sound like being Muslim and Indian, aka Bharati is a good thing. Aren't the Muslims of Bharat discriminated against, and don't you think this discrimination would be highest in Muslim majority states? According to TIME magazine

In rural India, 29% of Muslims earn less than $6 a month, compared with 26% of Hindus; in the cities (where a third of all Muslims live) the gap rises to 40% vs. 22%. Some 13% of India's population is Muslim, yet Muslims account for just 3% of government employees, and an even smaller percentage are employed by private Hindu businesses. Meanwhile, in the cities, 30% of Muslims are illiterate, vs. 19% of Hindus. Nor are any of these indices improving.

TIMEasia Magazine: India's Great Divide

According to you

Think about it you can travel to Calcutta, Bombay, Delhi, madras, wherever you want stay wherever you like stay for forever no problem at all India will become you country its booming economic growth will be yours those who call you illegal immigrants will hide there face in shame so why not join India plus this will also increase the Muslim power in India you will in fact be in a better position why break your heat in Karachi when you have Bombay, Goa waiting for you why cry in Lahore when you have the Punjabi beauty of Delhi at your side think live

Why is what you say, and what TIME magazine says, at odds with each other? Is the economic growth going to apply to Indian Muslims also, or just for you majority Hindus?

PS You've mentioned illegal immigrants twice. Do you think it's more effective the second time around? In fact do you believe what you just wrote? Obviously the Bangladeshis feel discriminated against in Bharat, which is why they flock to Pakistan.
 
You're making it sound like being Muslim and Indian, aka Bharati is a good thing. Aren't the Muslims of Bharat discriminated against, and don't you think this discrimination would be highest in Muslim majority states? According to TIME magazine

In rural India, 29% of Muslims earn less than $6 a month, compared with 26% of Hindus; in the cities (where a third of all Muslims live) the gap rises to 40% vs. 22%. Some 13% of India's population is Muslim, yet Muslims account for just 3% of government employees, and an even smaller percentage are employed by private Hindu businesses. Meanwhile, in the cities, 30% of Muslims are illiterate, vs. 19% of Hindus. Nor are any of these indices improving.

TIMEasia Magazine: India's Great Divide

According to you



Why is what you say, and what TIME magazine says, at odds with each other? Is the economic growth going to apply to Indian Muslims also, or just for you majority Hindus?

PS You've mentioned illegal immigrants twice. Do you think it's more effective the second time around? In fact do you believe what you just wrote? Obviously the Bangladeshis feel discriminated against in Bharat, which is why they flock to Pakistan.

Your views are so full of BS:crazy: do you really have any idea how contradicting your post's are from one another just one query are you one person doesn't sounds like obviously you don't have much knowledge in this subject & surely have no idea of what you re talking about or are just talking for the sake of it .
it will be a waste of my precious (Nafees) in Urdu time (Waqt):tsk: & will be a lowering of my caliber to answer your crap keep doing what you do @ best which is a constant irritating :blah: :blah: :argh: best of luck :tup:
 
Your views are so full of BS:crazy: do you really have any idea how contradicting your post's are from one another just one query are you one person doesn't sounds like obviously you don't have much knowledge in this subject & surely have no idea of what you re talking about or are just talking for the sake of it .
it will be a waste of my precious (Nafees) in Urdu time (Waqt):tsk: & will be a lowering of my caliber to answer your crap keep doing what you do @ best which is a constant irritating :blah: :blah: :argh: best of luck :tup:

Why don't you answer the reply instead of throwing emotional tantrums at the messenger? It was you who quoted a piece from virtualBangladesh claiming pompuosly the article was written by the Sunday Times, only to be proven it was not, correct? Are my facts right or wrong regarding discrimination of Bharati Muslims in Bharat?

PS Point out where I've contradicted myself in this thread. I'm pretty fluent on the war of Independence, so instead of swearing needlessly, point out where the contradiction lies in this thread.
 
Was my post too hard to answer Genmirajborgza or was it all just the truth? Come on why does everyone back down when i get a post in?
 
dimension117 let me know where your family in India lives, I'd like to contact them personally and ask them against the allegations you have raised and thereby ask themselves of the solution.

In rural India, 29% of Muslims earn less than $6 a month, compared with 26% of Hindus; in the cities (where a third of all Muslims live) the gap rises to 40% vs. 22%. Some 13% of India's population is Muslim, yet Muslims account for just 3% of government employees, and an even smaller percentage are employed by private Hindu businesses. Meanwhile, in the cities, 30% of Muslims are illiterate, vs. 19% of Hindus. Nor are any of these indices improving.

This comment is independent comment and is not directed at anyone.

when did any magazine or any government for that matter started counting the whole macro-econmy of India? 26% and 23% , I dont think its a big deal. The NSSO survey spanned a few thousand villages I think have to check on rural income level.

Okay here it is from here

The survey collected primary data from a sample of approximately 63,000 households out of preliminary listed sample of 4,40,000 households spread over 1,976 villages (250 districts) and 2,255 urban wards (342 towns) covering 64 National Sample Survey (NSS) regions in 24 states/UTs.

Regarding illiteracy = less jobs = poor, I'm sorry to say I have seen hundreds of cases where rural or even local community Muslims instead of sending them to schools sends them to madrasas you just have to come and see such thing, even madrasa board is recognised but problem is often other than a few dont come with flying colors from madrasas in representing the future economy its reality. If such issue is true for Pakistan how it can not be true for India? You just cannot go and ask villagers okay stop sending them to madrasas, you'll then loose election and will brand you as anti-Islamic. They themselve are at fault here and their leadership whom they support blindly.

I have commented once regarding Muslims in West Bengal which is a communist state yet the Muslim group is quite poor compared to other states, its a good food for thought why if thought properly ofcourse.
 
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