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CPEC: The case for the western route

Musharraf's local government system was good too but it needed little reforms and our democratic governments instead of strengthening it , they destroyed it

Mushy had a "system"??? :o:o_O :yahoo:. Yea, a system of transferring funds!!

Mushy's system was actually VERY good, but only for a few out of a nation of 180 million people!! He and his buddies made billions of dollars out of the Coalition Support and Economic Aid provided by the US. How did he buy a $ 10 million dollar mansion in Turkey close to the Turkish dignitaries homes?

How does his son grow from $ 2 million to over $ 200 million between 2004 and 2006????? Apparently the "system" Mushy designed, worked VERY well for him and a few senior military officers.

A similar "system" was used by Mr. Kiyani and Zardari. Mr. Kiyani recently did a plea-bargain and paid back 6 BILLION rupees!!! Apparently you like their system of cash :rofl:

Now compare these guys and their systems with Raheel Shariff. You'll see the difference. RS arguably is the most integrity and honorable Army Chief Pakistan has had in her history. 2-3 more of these guys, working with the Civil government, and the country will grow next to Australia.
 
Mushy had a "system"??? :o:o_O :yahoo:. Yea, a system of transferring funds!!

Mushy's system was actually VERY good, but only for a few out of a nation of 180 million people!! He and his buddies made billions of dollars out of the Coalition Support and Economic Aid provided by the US. How did he buy a $ 10 million dollar mansion in Turkey close to the Turkish dignitaries homes?

How does his son grow from $ 2 million to over $ 200 million between 2004 and 2006????? Apparently the "system" Mushy designed, worked VERY well for him and a few senior military officers.

A similar "system" was used by Mr. Kiyani and Zardari. Mr. Kiyani recently did a plea-bargain and paid back 6 BILLION rupees!!! Apparently you like their system of cash :rofl:

Now compare these guys and their systems with Raheel Shariff. You'll see the difference. RS arguably is the most integrity and honorable Army Chief Pakistan has had in her history. 2-3 more of these guys, working with the Civil government, and the country will grow next to Australia.

Well in other words you are justifying current system where lawmakers distribute funds instead of local mayor ...it seems u want the corrupt system to go on ..... and those individuals who misused funds or made money out of mushy's system should be held accountable and if Nooras are so credible and great gov then why they r not arresting those culprits??? if few out of 180 million made good money then how many out of 190 million ppl r getting anything in current system???

The investment wasn't GIVEN to the States of the Federation. Something you people seriously forget. This is a Chinese investment given to the Government of Pakistan to build a highway system to help the Chinese economy. As a SECONDARY aspect, the Pakistani economy grows with it too.

With your KPK government and the previous government, I'd LOVE to see someone try to get JUST ONE billions dollars from the Chinese in "investments". Refer to the track record. This isn't a ROYALTY the Chinese are paying to ALL states of Pakistan because they OWE them :rofl: :lol: :crazy:!

Tell fools in KPK to quit playing politics over a country's future and they would get their share. If you scare off the investor, they'll make some changes to the plan to safe guard their billions. Not sure people ever went to school and learned basics of investments.

Would you put your or your father's life savings into a part of Baluchistan where there are murders and terrorists, or the government simply doesn't cooperate??? HELL NO. So why should it be any different for other investors (Chinese in this case)?

Don't cut and paste my response to pick a line to answer. Answer to the entire thing so people can clearly see how full of reasons IK's followers are. (or lack of reason, as you guys just blow smoke every day and do lie based politics)!!

do KPK have any share in this investment??? if yes then the KPK gov is asking for it not asking for the share of entire investment ....what they are complaining is dont keep changing the route and its plan again and again to maximise the investment in Punjab ... KPK is a part of Pakistan.. Punjab is not whole Pakistan neither Lahore is entire Punjab
 
Well in other words you are justifying current system where lawmakers distribute funds instead of local mayor ...it seems u want the corrupt system to go on ..... and those individuals who misused funds or made money out of mushy's system should be held accountable and if Nooras are so credible and great gov then why they r not arresting those culprits??? if few out of 180 million made good money then how many out of 190 million ppl r getting anything in current system???


Re-read my post. I was COMMENTING on the system that the Generals were running, and you were happily supporting it. Those are proven cases where billions were distributed between Mushy and his buddies. Later, Kiyani and Zardari.

For the current system, if you think its corrupt, take it to the Supreme Court instead of "talking about it for three years" on here.

You think people reading are stupid? A power hungry, selfish person like IK wouldn't take NS to supreme court IF HE HAD proofs? On Mushy, Kiyani, Zardari, there are PLENTY of legal proofs. IK has nothing on NS, just talk and accusations. The day he gets a real proof worth a DOLLAR of corruption, he'll be living in the "Supreme Court" to find justice. But he'll ignore all of his corrupt people from Tareen to Baluch and beyond, including his own past!! A thief always scream thief pointing in a different direction.

People who work, they get things done. People like IK and his followers, just gossip like girls and gossip doesn't produce jack. It scares others off like it is scaring off the Chinese!!

do KPK have any share in this investment??? if yes then the KPK gov is asking for it not asking for the share of entire investment ....what they are complaining is dont keep changing the route and its plan again and again to maximise the investment in Punjab ... KPK is a part of Pakistan.. Punjab is not whole Pakistan neither Lahore is entire Punjab

When I invest into a business or we take over a project, we run it through completion based on our goals. Not where we invested. Similarly, if fools in KPK government don't cooperate, and cry wolf, instead of helping, what do you think will happen? The Chinese will avoid dealing with retards who'll eff up the project.

And no, there is no one's share in this investment. Its not IK's daddy's inheritance you are talking about. Its a foreign country's investment which would help the Pakistani people. If the Pakistani people in the KPK want to work with The Chinese. Threatening to "block" the roads and all, will scare the investor off. Its not your dad's money. They have a right to reallocate anything they want to.

These posts are a living example of what the Americans went through, whenever they tried to do a project for Pakistan. You people are broken in States, Tribes and political parties. Specially, the KPK, you guys have no care or respect for your own nations future. Your leaders damage the project and then cry fool on the media!!
 
IT never worked,
not in the time of the first 4 caliphs, and never after.

The Molvis lie and attribute things which are untrue;
Khilafat is not a system of government, Molvis pose it to be so that they could control power.
It was there for 1300 years.. It might not have 'worked ' as per your wishes but it was able to stay intact for a consider able time. The molvi mantra can't change history.
 
Re-read my post. I was COMMENTING on the system that the Generals were running, and you were happily supporting it. Those are proven cases where billions were distributed between Mushy and his buddies. Later, Kiyani and Zardari.

For the current system, if you think its corrupt, take it to the Supreme Court instead of "talking about it for three years" on here.

You think people reading are stupid? A power hungry, selfish person like IK wouldn't take NS to supreme court IF HE HAD proofs? On Mushy, Kiyani, Zardari, there are PLENTY of legal proofs. IK has nothing on NS, just talk and accusations. The day he gets a real proof worth a DOLLAR of corruption, he'll be living in the "Supreme Court" to find justice. But he'll ignore all of his corrupt people from Tareen to Baluch and beyond, including his own past!! A thief always scream thief pointing in a different direction.

People who work, they get things done. People like IK and his followers, just gossip like girls and gossip doesn't produce jack. It scares others off like it is scaring off the Chinese!!



When I invest into a business or we take over a project, we run it through completion based on our goals. Not where we invested. Similarly, if fools in KPK government don't cooperate, and cry wolf, instead of helping, what do you think will happen? The Chinese will avoid dealing with retards who'll eff up the project.

And no, there is no one's share in this investment. Its not IK's daddy's inheritance you are talking about. Its a foreign country's investment which would help the Pakistani people. If the Pakistani people in the KPK want to work with The Chinese. Threatening to "block" the roads and all, will scare the investor off. Its not your dad's money. They have a right to reallocate anything they want to.

These posts are a living example of what the Americans went through, whenever they tried to do a project for Pakistan. You people are broken in States, Tribes and political parties. Specially, the KPK, you guys have no care or respect for your own nations future. Your leaders damage the project and then cry fool on the media!!

pls check the track record how much investment came combinely in dictators time and how much fdi was attracted by democratic govs....when was the corruption of mushy and his cronies were proven ??? i never heard any case against him about laundering money but ishaq dar said everything infact ur own saif ur rehman said everything about nooras corruption .... moreover if u believe nawaz or his family never did corruption then that is wat I call blind following...

if federal gov will not support provincial government in its development then the investors wont have positive image of KPK rite??? but if you just promote one province and disregards other on the expense of one then the people of rest of Pakistan wouldnt sit back they will definitely agitate ....and when the same General Raheel asks for better governance from federal government then our beautiful democracy starts crying ......
 
Oh PLEASE!!! Cry me a river!! You guys don't get tired of posting crap 10 times a day against the current government? WITHOUT a DIME worth of impact? Negativity doesn't get work done. Working gets work done. Someone tells this to IK and his followers, all having PhC (Philosophy in Conspiracy Theories, a new degree designed for certain people in Pakistan and India :cheers:).

There was a Parliament briefing that I've seen the transcript for recently. It outlines that for political reasons, KPK's government is crying a river. But in fact, beyond being on the Microphone, they aren't helping jack shiiit to do the CPEC project. Also, there have been threats issued to "block the CPEC route". Now this investment isn't coming from Uncle IK's personal savings account, or from Mr. Tareen's. Its an investment coming from the Chinese with their strategic goals as their economy is hurting.

So if you quit scaring off the Chinese and effing with their investment proposal, the KPK was always going to get her share. You can't get to China unless the KPK is involved, SIMPLE is that. But fools running the KPK will continue on with their media rhetoric and Hitler style lying propaganda "hoping" to "talk their way" into getting a bigger share of votes!! Sad :tdown::angel:
had PTI been stupid like ANP they would have been complaining since day 1 but NO they took their time and when they didn't see any cpec projects being approved for kpk they raised a concern. A dozen of projects have been approved for GB , Punjab, Baluchistan and sindh since 2013 but for kpk nothing has been approved. I personally believe scaring off an investor is better than producing disgruntled people that join enemy ranks later and produce cessationist movements hurting national security in long term. If the state doesn't auto correct such internal opposition makes sense and I'm sure Chinese won't get scared by someone asking federal to spend In their respective province . In the end China has no such intent to work on eastern route first so quit playing it by throwing it in the Chinese court.
 
IT never worked,
not in the time of the first 4 caliphs, and never after.

The Molvis lie and attribute things which are untrue;
Khilafat is not a system of government, Molvis pose it to be so that they could control power.

well, u must b kidding.. u don't know the progress Muslims made during the 4 caliphs ? do u ?

btw, how can a molvi b elected if only educated poeple are allowed to vote ? i mean, if we make a system where only graduates and above are allowed to vote then how can a Molvi come to power ???

When you are in power then you forgret the thin line seperating Badshahat from Khilafat!
Here even our PM forget the huge line between badshahat and Ministery and here you are taking about Khilafat :p:

Khilafat is far from Badshahat, its very close to democractic system with a few differences and that r,
1. Educated decision rather then majority's decision
and
2. no Ministries but bureaucrats
 
well, u must b kidding.. u don't know the progress Muslims made during the 4 caliphs ? do u ?

btw, how can a molvi b elected if only educated poeple are allowed to vote ? i mean, if we make a system where only graduates and above are allowed to vote then how can a Molvi come to power ???



Khilafat is far from Badshahat, its very close to democractic system with a few differences and that r,
1. Educated decision rather then majority's decision
and
2. no Ministries but bureaucrats
I know meaning of khilafat bt clearly you don't know history........
hint: Ottoman Empire
 
West route banna chaiye or active rehna chaiye . har ache chiz punjab se ho ker ni jani chaiye .
 
It was there for 1300 years.. It might not have 'worked ' as per your wishes but it was able to stay intact for a consider able time. The molvi mantra can't change history.

it stayed for 1300 years, because that is what it was all about;
focus of power and assimilating as much as possible.

Try this equation

Khilafat = Nation ?

well, u must b kidding.. u don't know the progress Muslims made during the 4 caliphs ? do u ?

btw, how can a molvi b elected if only educated poeple are allowed to vote ? i mean, if we make a system where only graduates and above are allowed to vote then how can a Molvi come to power ???



Khilafat is far from Badshahat, its very close to democractic system with a few differences and that r,
1. Educated decision rather then majority's decision
and
2. no Ministries but bureaucrats

It will take too long and too much effort to get you up to speed.

good bye.
 
I know meaning of khilafat bt clearly you don't know history........
hint: Ottoman Empire
just using the name of khilafat and in reality doing badshahat is not what i m talking about. i m only talking about the pure khilafat..
 
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Pakistan is supposed to be a federation, where the federating units should have judicious share of national resources. Developmental projects are instruments for mobilizing economy and uplifting masses. They not only provide employment opportunities but can also result in national integration. The effect of development projects of national level can be gauged from the fruits that railroad construction has blessed United States with. United States, in its current integrated form, exists because of the rail-road revolution that connected one disparate end of the country to the other. It facilitated transport of raw materials from one end to the more industrialized part of the country. China is keeping its mammoth population in peace because of its massive investment in infrastructure. Infrastructure development, along with providing constant employment opportunities, also ensures equal economic dividends.

The dilemma with distribution of economic developmental projects in Pakistan is that they are always concentrated in some parts or regions of the country. Starting from partial polices of the Ayub regime, the injudicious distribution of developmental projects has never seen an end. The western-trained and western-hired economic and policy advisers of Ayub Khan believed in naked to the bones capitalism. ‘Functional utility of inequity’ and ‘social utility of greed’ were two theories that formed the cornerstones of Ayub’s developmental projects allocation. The first one asserted that by creating havens of development and concentrating all growth in narrowly defined geographical areas, the economic growth can be skyrocketed. The other naively believes that creating an artificial rich and luxurious class at the top ladder of economy will motivate competition and thus will result in increased economic activity. Thanks to these policies, we had the clichéd twenty-two families and these policies further bore their fruit in the form of transforming East Pakistan into Bangladesh.

Unfortunately the Pakistani state is persistent in its insistence on functional utility of inequality in allocation of developmental projects. CPEC, which China is interested in to elevate its eastern provinces of Xinxiang at par with other parts of the country, in terms of economic development, has provided a new tool to the advocates of concentrated development of parts of Punjab. The contradictions can’t be more ironic, given that China has proposed this project to develop its underdeveloped areas while Pakistan is making case for depriving its underdeveloped areas of their due share in the project under the pretext of security and lack of economic activity. What is ironic, on a completely new level, is the argument from Pakistani state that since the underdeveloped provinces of Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa and Balochistan are insecure so we can’t take up development in those regions. Meanwhile, China’s main aim for CPEC is to fight militancy in the underdeveloped region of Xinxiang.

What is missed by the Pakistanis state in its jaundiced policies is that CPEC is not a project for facilitating already developed zones. It is meant for initiating economic development and carving out new economic zones. If this logic is accepted, then the western route of CPEC is the only viable route. No two cities of Pakhtoonkhwa are connected via rail and no motorway is laid in Balochistan. On 28th May, APC was called and it was decided that the western route will be developed before the eastern route. But the Pakistani state, in its usual reversal of motives, opted to mislead people of the smaller provinces through its cosmetic measures. While 667 billion rupees are allocated for Lahore-Karachi motorway, the highways which are being developed in name of CPEC in Balochistan, and were inaugurated by the PM, cost less than 30 billion rupees. The Lahore-Islamabad section has been completed at the cost of multi-hundred billion rupees while it already has GT road and a railway track.

Projects such as CPEC are bound by Constitution to be discussed in Council of Common Interests but even after two years, no such meeting has been called; and the matter of disparate fund allocations to the two routes is hushed over and swept under the carpet. When Chinese President came to Pakistan last year and signed multiple MoUs, it was reported that out of 46 billion dollars’ worth of projects, projects worth 45 billion dollars are going to be established in Punjab. The western route is reduced to a set of highways with no special economic or industrial zones.

The deliberate silence and secrecy over allocation of funds and the absurd claims of equal development of eastern and western route is going to further increase the mistrust among provinces. It’s not only the right of small provinces to have its due share in such massive projects, but it is also incumbent upon the state to find ways to ward off extremist and separatist tendencies by investing in infrastructure and economic development of regions where it is needed the most.


CPEC: The case for the western route

CPEC not only contributes to make the economy better but also connects the whole Pakistan together and will allow more development in Provinces like Balochistan , For the Military it is also a great Project because so many big roads and Highways are being built which can be used by the Air force as runways during war times or any emergency , also The army can travel long distances in less time due to these smooth roads and Highways , They can reach the border very quickly by road .
 
i watched mr pervaiz khattack's interview the other day....

his argument that route is not a road but includes fibre optics and LNG pipe lines holds a huge amount of weight.....

can some one name any other route in the world where road is laid with fiber optics and LNG pipe lines??
 
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