Court rejects Musharraf trial

[Interceptor]

No brother cool down. That is maximum limit a general can be dragged. After this invisible forces come to support. It is our wish that he should be trailed but world does not follow “weak man’s” wish. I have already somewhere mentioned on this forum that this is going to be very interesting analytical case for political science students. Judicary will go after her fellow judges not after the generals.
If you are old enough to be witness of Supreme Court thriller when it summoned Aslam Baig about 1988 elections, what happened 2+2-2x0 = 0

He was also retired chief of army staff and Mushraf is also retired chief of army staff.

Keep you fingers crossed and see what happens

I believe in your aspiration to have Rt general to be tried but I just don't see it happening any time soon(couple of years to be exact). We want speedy justice. However Musharraf's case is a pandora's box with nothing but bad coming out of it (as legend suggest). The Army's top brass has Musharraf's back covered, Kiyani has many miss communications with the heads of state, one being that the heads have to consult Kiyani to every matter, attaining to politics. Most certainly the drama that just happened over 3rd Nov case.

Musharraf is not the issue as made by our inventive media, their focused in having spin played in every bulletin. This country needs to tackle Energy, Water, Law&Order, Education, Health Services and the list of this crises just goes on. These are the real issues. We have a shortage of dams because of un-political/Army-rule. Provinces dont want dams on their lands because they feel insecure. The only major dams and canals built were during ZAB's rule. Pakistan has the poorest water containment in South Asia, we are able to contain 10 to 15 pc of water from our current system. Other countries are able to do more than 30 to 40 pc. Water is our life line, and we are short of it.

Who cares what Musharraf's doing the only thing to care about is your country. He not going anywhere his trail can wait.

 

[Awesome]

Guys did you ever think that Musharraf has a bucket load of national secrets? You really want to put a man with that kind of secrets on death row?

 

[Murshad]

Originally posted by Asim Aquil
Guys did you ever think that Musharraf has a bucket load of national secrets? You really want to put a man with that kind of secrets on death row?

So you want to say if he is brought to justice, he would spit all secrets in foreign media or sell to some one who want to buy.
Am I right?

 

[SSGPA1]

So you want to say if he is brought to justice, he would spit all secrets in foreign media or sell to some one who want to buy.
Am I right?

What is the benefit of trying Gen. Musharraf? It will certainly not solve the energy crisis or the Taliban crisis.

These issues are created by the political forces to keep 'masoom awam' occupied, otherwise people will drag our leaders in street.

 

[Fracker]

What has Zardari done to ruin the Constitution?

If we are talking about zardari, then don't ask us what he done to ruin the constitution, BUT ask "What he done to ruin the country?" You will find many answers for this question

So, what did i said? nothing going to happen.. also putting Musharaf on trail don't make sense we need a culprit who can really recover pakistan's economy to put on trail and take his (or say ours) all property+other assets from him..

 

[SSGPA1]

Couple of interesting points from SCoP's verdict on Nov 3 emergency:

1. However, the court suggested to the government to establish such a court or a federal court for the federal capital territory as it might be a desirable act, but the IHC was set up through an unconstitutional and a highly objectionable manner.

An excellent trend setting. SCoP accepts that the Islamabad High Court is benficial to people and should be implemented through Parliament. This validates the SCoP does value some of the great decissions of Gen. Musharraf.

2. The order asked the government to add a new clause to the Code of Conduct prescribed for the judges of superior courts in terms of Article 209 of the Constitution, commanding that no judge would offer any support in whatever manner to any unconstitutional functionary who acquires power otherwise the Constitution and that any violation of the said clause would be deemed to be a misconduct.

I wrote in this thread earlier that we need to take actions in order to prevent military intervention in future and this definetly is the right thing to do. Now it is up to the Parliament to act on these suggestions.

Source for both quotes:

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...es+nov+3+2007+actions+unconstitutional--bi-04

 

[nightrider_saulat]

Democracy is democracy not xyz democracy, if fudels are selected then there are many reasons but main reason is adventurous generals ruined the whole system
Can you bit explain how Mushraff time as far better
Nawaz was sent on exile and Zardai was kept in prison for highest time after Nelson Mandila, if he was corrupt why Mushraf did execute him

atleast law and order situation and
economical situation at that time was a lot better then present situations

 

[Murshad]

Originally Posted by SSGPA1
What is the benefit of trying Gen. Musharraf? It will certainly not solve the energy crisis or the Taliban crisis.

These issues are created by the political forces to keep 'masoom awam' occupied, otherwise people will drag our leaders in street.

First my friend, don’t worry, he would not be tried. Energy crises and Taliban crises are directly related with the system of which Mushraff was icon.

You again don’t have to worry about political leaders, if they are not able to deliver they deserve to be dragged in the streets, not physically but politically. This is what democracy is meant for.

 

[Murshad]

Originally Posted by nightrider_saulat
atleast law and order situation and
economical situation at that time was a lot better then present situations

Dear don’t look like this, all this was like keeping a person on ventilator. All we are facing in terms of law and order are hatched during Mushraff’s era. He pampered these forces to sell his chutney to west. There were constant publication of articles in western media conveying the viewpoint that “Mushraff is real liberal” and he can stop all this. Unfortunately this game has out of hands or you can say Mushraff miscalculated the whole scenario.
Would you like to tell me on this forum what was the economical development in era. Don’t say that this much investment came in Pakistan. All investment that came was in consumers department. Would you like to tell me what major manufacturing units were set in his era. In his tenure economical development was considered that how much cellular phones were being used. West was blindly followed to use consumer economy with out having proper checking system.

 

[waraich66]

Dear don’t look like this, all this was like keeping a person on ventilator. All we are facing in terms of law and order are hatched during Mushraff’s era. He pampered these forces to sell his chutney to west. There were constant publication of articles in western media conveying the viewpoint that “Mushraff is real liberal” and he can stop all this. Unfortunately this game has out of hands or you can say Mushraff miscalculated the whole scenario.
Would you like to tell me on this forum what was the economical development in era. Don’t say that this much investment came in Pakistan. All investment that came was in consumers department. Would you like to tell me what major manufacturing units were set in his era. In his tenure economical development was considered that how much cellular phones were being used. West was blindly followed to use consumer economy with out having proper checking system.

Musharaf failed totally politically and economically, he induced mobile flue which is just luxuary , we need to develop our cheap energy resources,hydro power from indus,coal power (thar) and wind power.

In 1990's power from thermal(oil) was 40% and from hydel 60% , but it is reverse now because we have not built new dams(kala bagh etc).


How foriegn investor will invest if there in no power , roads infrastructure and long term investor friendly policies.

If some investor invest, he has to pay bribe to all concern departments,labour,health,police,wapda,ptc,revenue,customs,minitery of industry, local government .All these bribes are continue expenditure .

 

[Righteous_Fire]

That D*** F**l didnt make a single power house in all those Friggin 8 years, all the 2000 watts generated in his dictatorship were projects that Govt.s before him had started and that ended in his dictatorship.

 

[Fracker]

That D*** F**l didnt make a single power house in all those Friggin 8 years, all the 2000 watts generated in his dictatorship were projects that Govt.s before him had started and that ended in his dictatorship.

Have you read the report submitted to Musharaf in 2005 from WAPDA, which says there is no requirement of Power plants till 2008. (read it, it will clear your mind). musharaf is controlling the whole system, but system was responsible for generation a correct measurement for future.

Still many WAPDA engineers says (silently) that pakistan has still tendency to generate around 19k MW, while pakistan requirement is just from 15-16 MW. BUT government is not paying the money to the IPPs (eating all profit of electricity). Which made them to give less electricity, and short fall throughout the country. (WAPDA higher officials says that we are paying subsidy which government has to pay them).

And these all IPPs on higher rates were injected in BB's 2nd tenor, and zardari gets all credit of inducing such IPPs which were giving 1unit/ 8Rs. while average 1 unit was just 4 rupees at that time.

 

[ejaz007]

Musharraf’s trial possible through parliamentary resolution: Khosa
Updated at: 1120 PST, Monday, August 03, 2009

ISLAMABAD: Attorney General Latif Khosa said former President Musharraf could be tried by simple majority resolution of Parliament.

Talking to media in oath taking ceremony of Justice Anwar Zaheer Jamali, attorney general said cases of Supreme Court’s Justice Faqir Khokar and Justice Javed Batter will be send to Supreme Judicial Council (SJC).

SJC only hears matters of citing judge and if any judge tender resignation during proceedings, reference against him could not be hear. A judge retains his position till the verdict of SJC.

Replying to a question about action against former President Musharraf, attorney general said Parliament is supreme in this issue.

Musharraf’s trial possible through parliamentary resolution: Khosa

 

[TaimiKhan]

Well Musharaf time period had good things as well as bad things to remember.

For the record Musharaf economic policies were much better then the previous governments specially the PML-N and PPP.

The most important of all, We got rid of the IMF and its economic destroying policies.

The massive expansion in services industries did provide thousands of jobs to people, the so called mobile luxury created thousands of jobs directly & indirectly both. MBAs & Telecom engineers all got good decent jobs due to this, indirectly thousand of mobile sellers, franchise owners, technical repairing guys all got some skills and started to earn.

Banks did gave out lot of loans, which had negative effects too but just see how many people got jobs in the banking sector, how the services of banks have improved, the industrial sector got a boost as consumer loans started a spending frenzy.

The car manufacturers invested more, more people got employed, plants ran double shifts to coup the demand, negative issues aside as infrastructure issues etc.

He tried to give the people the power at the grass root level, police came under the representatives of the public. Short falls were there, but again to let a system mature u need time.

We used to see just PTV and now we have a frenzy of news & private channels, where they possible before ? NO. And now just imagine how many thousands got jobs in this industry.

As for electricity, yes govt offcials had even projected surplus growth and there were talks of exporting of Electricity to neighboring countries.

Have u people ever thought why wasn't there such acute shortage of electricity before Dec 2007, before BB died ?? How come all was well before Dec 07 and then all of a sudden hours long shortages start happening just in one year ?? Just think logical the shortfall starts gradually, slowly it gets worse, but we started from worse.

NAB recovered more then 3.0+ Billion USD$ (apart from NAB being used for political means), but have anyone of u ever seen their performance ?? Have u guys seen to how many thousands of people NAB has returned the money eaten by fraudulent schemes, specially the Islamabad City housing scheme started by & guaranteed by PPP govt, the Taj Company scandal, The Mehran bank scandal, double shah scandal etc etc etc ?? How many bank defaulted loans recovered for the banks ?? Do u guys know that NAB was given corruption cases of way back 80s era which had been dumped by FIA after taking bribes. Ever imagined that this NAB has given happiness to thousands of people by recovering the looted money.

Similarly if we go on there were so many things which were & happened good for Pakistan but there were drawbacks of Musharaf too.

Some very huge.

And as for the law & order situation, even if it had been someone else other then Musharaf, the situation would have been the same may be worse. Just look at the example how ANP govt dealt the Swat situation with peace treaty and in this peace treaty the swat people got butchered. TNSM and these guys were the same who were there during the times of PPP & PNL-N.

And as for the worsening of economic situation, it was the same guy Ishaq Dar who publicly challenged the figures of past ruining the confidence of people which let to the economic down turn. If he had they suspicion about figures why to tell the whole world as a sane person would tell it will destroy pakistan, but he did that just for the same purpose. These figures were quoted by international organizations, who are not dumb to just accept the figures presented by Musharaf and his aides, they used to counter check themselves and then post those figures in their reports with reliability. And Ishaq dar was the same guy who had initially devised the Financial Sector reform not Shaukat Aziz.

Anyway guys, its a very very long discussion, just wanted to highlight some issues, bad & good is part of every government, if i take aside the lal masjid Operation, Musharaf was much much better then all of the current batch and some of the previous politicians.

 

[U-571]

some innocent people think, musharraf was god sent angel, and he didnt do anything wrong. i do really want to know, what musharraf did in his 9 years time to satisfy this hunger striken poor nation??? power crises were there in his time.

actually the bad law and order situation of pakistan was blessed in musharraf's time, its the present government which has made it only worse.