Court rejects Musharraf trial

[Fracker]

some innocent people think, musharraf was god sent angel, and he didnt do anything wrong.

For Power crisis read my previous post. 2ndly we really don't think Musharaf was God sent angel, infact we all know he was production of same system, so he can't be an angel. We know what he has given to Moulana Diesel just to wait 1 day before dissolving the NWFP Government. We know why he given free hand to everyone supporting him including Monis Illahi who destroyed BOP, other many scandals of ch. brotheran. We know the war of Afghanistan put on the head of pakistan because of his cowardliness. But when it comes to economy, and other aspects we can't accept people calling him the responsible for current power crisis, or responsible for current economy crash. These all responsibilities goes to Mr. top corrupt person of the world a.k.a mr. Kabari.

 

[TaimiKhan]

For Power crisis read my previous post. 2ndly we really don't think Musharaf was God sent angel, infact we all know he was production of same system, so he can't be an angel. We know what he has given to Moulana Diesel just to wait 1 day before dissolving the NWFP Government. We know why he given free hand to everyone supporting him including Monis Illahi who destroyed BOP, other many scandals of ch. brotheran. We know the war of Afghanistan put on the head of pakistan because of his cowardliness. But when it comes to economy, and other aspects we can't accept people calling him the responsible for current power crisis, or responsible for current economy crash. These all responsibilities goes to Mr. top corrupt person of the world a.k.a mr. Kabari.

There was no cowardliness from Musharaf, if u guys seen his statements on world forums, he always directly and indirectly blamed the americans for the chaos in this world, he always said that the root causes to this conflict should be resolved, the Palestinian & Kashmir issues were always in his talk at Un summits or any other international forum. Which the current leaders of PPP & PML-N couldn't do. He was no coward, he was one good soldier & did became a reasonable statesman too but in the lust of power & due to misguided advices from his so called aides & politician friends he made blunder. I guess he must have realized now that politicians can not be friends ever, they are just politicians

And as for his role to support US, well everyone including me would say he did wrong, but guys haven't u seen how US destroyed Iraq & Afghanistan, thousands of Muslims have died and dieing, thousands of Palestinians killed so far & getting killed each day, thousands killed in Lebanon, not a single Muslim state came out and opposed US, just mute statements & years have passed what Muslim state has done for the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon or Palestinian, just seeing them get butchered.

Our Prophet PBUH dug a trench to counter the huge forces of Meccans, do u call it cowardliness ???

Prophet PBUH did the truce of Hudaibiya with Kufar on inferior ters, many muslims suffered due to that, do u call that coawrdliness ???

NO, but these tactics tell us that do whatever the situation requires, when u see u are at unfavorable grounds, u retreat or make a truce on inferior terms costing pain to muslims but it was done for the future benefits of muslims.

When musharaf was asked to hand over the material pakistan has about afghanistan, a mysterious fire breaks out in GHQ and all records is lost ?? WHY ???

In Musharaf time not a single senior afghan taliban is killed or handed over to US, WHY ??? Except for the poor chap the afghan ambassador to pakistan who is free now.

ISI is governed by Army, maximum staff at critical appointments are serving personnel rotated occasionally & in some cases regularly, budget is in the hands of military guys, after all this they are supporting afghan taliban, even at the time of Musharaf.

So one question, did he do the right thing, and the logical answer from the above talk is yes, the civilian & military casualties are highly regrettable, but this is the cost we have to pay if we have to contain the americans and all the nations hostile to us who are indulging in destabilizing pakistan by using the afghan territory.

And no single muslim nation would have come to aid us if americans had attacked us, this has now become our war, the War on Terror was & is just a cover up, the real wars are for some other things, which everyone knows.

 

[Fracker]

There was no cowardliness from Musharaf, if u guys seen his statements on world forums, he always directly and indirectly blamed the americans for the chaos in this world, he always said that the root causes to this conflict should be resolved,

well, i think you are missing the point, speaking and doing something are two different things. The one who say US is responsible for every conflict, but supply the bases to attack your muslim brother what would you call it? Hypocrisy or what? & i think you don't know what he said while defending his stand, he said "US given us two option, with us (in mass killing of afghans in afghanistan) or against us and we will push you to the stone age". There was always an option of being neutral (like iran did), BUT he supplied the bases from where us planes used to fly and attack afghanistan.

the Palestinian & Kashmir issues were always in his talk at Un summits or any other international forum.

now what a lie, he was the 1st person who said ok we with draw support for kashmiri mujhideens, he was the 1st person who said "Ok, we solve other issues kashmir will be last".

Our Prophet PBUH dug a trench to counter the huge forces of Meccans, do u call it cowardliness ???

Please don't compare Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) and Musharaf, that is not good thing to do. Also please correct your history, It wasn't Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) who offered peace agreement, it was quresh who offered him (SAWW)peace agreement, and they were scared of being pushed to stone age. Yes, meccan had large army, but Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) was ready for the fight, and meccan get scared and then offered him an agreement. Last most important, prophet Muhammad (SAWW)'s agreement was for peace, while Musharaf's agreement was for to kill some muslims. (iraq, afghanistan as you mentioned)

In Musharaf time not a single senior afghan taliban is killed or handed over to US, WHY ??? Except for the poor chap the afghan ambassador to pakistan who is free now.

yeah only pakistanis were sent to Guantanamo and when 7/7 happen without even asking of UK, Pakistan send around 100 people after arrest.

And no single muslim nation would have come to aid us if americans had attacked us, this has now become our war, the War on Terror was & is just a cover up, the real wars are for some other things, which everyone knows.

So again, muslim nation requires an aid? Just tell me, how many pakistanis were ready for the fight(personally) with US when they threaten us? (if you were in pakistan then you would know what exactly happen in the streets of pakistan). Thats why in the time of Musharaf Jihaad was removed from Islamiat, and also NCC was removed from colleges

 

[TaimiKhan]

well, i think you are missing the point, speaking and doing something are two different things. The one who say US is responsible for every conflict, but supply the bases to attack your muslim brother what would you call it? Hypocrisy or what? & i think you don't know what he said while defending his stand, he said "US given us two option, with us (in mass killing of afghans in afghanistan) or against us and we will push you to the stone age". There was always an option of being neutral (like iran did), BUT he supplied the bases from where us planes used to fly and attack afghanistan.




now what a lie, he was the 1st person who said ok we with draw support for kashmiri mujhideens, he was the 1st person who said "Ok, we solve other issues kashmir will be last".



Please don't compare Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) and Musharaf, that is not good thing to do. Also please correct your history, It wasn't Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) who offered peace agreement, it was quresh who offered him (SAWW)peace agreement, and they were scared of being pushed to stone age. Yes, meccan had large army, but Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) was ready for the fight, and meccan get scared and then offered him an agreement. Last most important, prophet Muhammad (SAWW)'s agreement was for peace, while Musharaf's agreement was for to kill some muslims. (iraq, afghanistan as you mentioned)



yeah only pakistanis were sent to Guantanamo and when 7/7 happen without even asking of UK, Pakistan send around 100 people after arrest.



So again, muslim nation requires an aid? Just tell me, how many pakistanis were ready for the fight(personally) with US when they threaten us? (if you were in pakistan then you would know what exactly happen in the streets of pakistan). Thats why in the time of Musharaf Jihaad was removed from Islamiat, and also NCC was removed from colleges

Well if i completely missed ur point of view, i think u have totally missed what i was trying to say too. Anyway, every issue has three angels to be viewed from. Urs, mine, and the correct one, which is lying in the arguments from both of us.

As for ur comments, lots of them can be argued and defended but it won't bring any change.

Have a good time sir.

 

[Patriot]

People have a short memory here.The situation was very very tense after 9/11.At least UK papers printed this stuff right after 09/11. One of the papers had reported the yanks as saying "If you dont side with USA against Taliban/Qaida, we have more targets available in Pakistan"..It was good that Musharraf used his brain instead of his heart to answer us.How can one ignore a possible Indian reaction to the whole panorama. Can one imagine that had US taken military action against Pakistan, India would have been a silent spectator? Do we have such a short memory to forget that the Bharatis had given Americans their whole military facilities to be used post 911. Taking on Pakistan with US total support would have been a great bonus apart for getting rid of a pro Pakistan Afghanistan government. Musharraf did not show any cowardice, but rather acted as a responsible leader. Such emotional out burst of “cowardice” would not serve Pakistan in any way.If you decided to defend your national soverignty, you would not have had a nation to protect. How was siding with the U.S versus the Taliban in 2001 a violation of National Soverignty. The US told you what it would do. The choice was upto musharraf. You cant really side step the matter when you are one of three governments to recognize the taliban, are the prime supporter and backer, and the only feasible border from which the US could bring its full force to bear. The war on the taliban was going to go down from that border and the US let you know it. Now the choice was there for musharraf. Where is a violation of soverignty in any of this. If you said no, you are at war with the US and they did not hide it.Well, look at this way: Bush pressured Blair along with few others and took them war in Iraq....Musharraf was in much weaker position than Blair.

 

[SSGPA1]

Please stay on the main topic and try to discuss the court decision instead of what Gen. Musharraf did or didn't.

To me this is a great ruling because of the following reasons:

1. It is in line with the Constitution of Pakistan.
2. It gives Parliament and the politicians an opportunity to take charge of political issues.
3. It takes away unnecessary burden from the SCoP.