Coup D'etat in Pakistan post 'Absolutely Not' interview?

[Adecypher]

I am backing Pakistan and Imran Khan but Pakistan better comes with its' version of a "Juche" philosophy as the last resort!! Pakistan should be prepared for huge economic costs because of sanctions, remittance obstacles, assets freezes, expulsions of labor... its potentially a long list of actions but I DON'T foresee the actions like those against Iran simply because Pakistan is NOT against the United States at all.

Well the list might be a little longer than what you have listed BUT my argument is not to take Pakistan's foresight of what consequences they have to deal with in future lightly, I hope that certain re-assurances have been given to counter not ALL but many of the negatives of taking majority of its eggs from us basket...you and I know that the variables in geo-politics equation keeps changing on a constant basis so you never know ... ONLY time will tell.

 

[Meengla]

Well the list might be a little longer than what you have listed BUT my argument is not to take Pakistan's foresight of what consequences they have to deal with in future lightly, I hope that certain re-assurances have been given to counter not ALL but many of the negatives of taking majority of its eggs from us basket...you and I know that the variables in geo-politics equation keeps changing on a constant basis so you never know ... ONLY time will tell.

Yes, there are probably some assurances given. Only time will tell. But really: Pakistanis need to not buy BILLIONS of $$ worth of edible oil each year when the domestic output can be brought up very quickly to meet the demand. That's just an example. A nation, surrounded by enemies and not willing to be part of of the growing anti-China alliance can't afford to waste precious little resources. Economic sovereignty is just as important as territorial sovereignty in case of Pakistan.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1405982559096430595

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I know that the sheer desperation to clutch its claws into afghanistan come what may is becoming an ambiguous gymnastics. Sadly we have more than enough traitors among us.

It appears that its now time to buy out or rather supplement the existing heaps of garbage that exists in the political sphere and they are more than willing. this political garbage is PDM.

In my view head of PMLN will be facilitated as will PPP by Joe Biden as we know how happy both parties were when elected. these two are the biggest to benefit from the NRO that was manufactures by Britain and the US(Condoleezza rice) in the past.

A bloody coup may not be feasible BUT election engineering makes the most sense, despite the legislation and supreme court directions election commission is going against the flow on purpose and so far its shown that its loyalties are political.

What are the views of the forum? We have entered a very very interesting scenario. The desperation to cling to afghanistan will reduce Pakistan's security. We CANNOT allow them any space in Pakistan BUT we have enough sellouts willing to sell their homeland!

What GOP must do immediately, is to call a session of parliament to discuss this American bases issue, just like it happened over Yemen issue. Let these kanjars of Shareef and Bhutto clan make their views known in front of Pakistani nation.

 

[VCheng]

What GOP must do immediately, is to call a session of parliament to discuss this American bases issue, just like it happened over Yemen issue. Let these kanjars of Shareef and Bhutto clan make their views known in front of Pakistani nation.

PMIK has stated Pakistani policy on this matter very clearly. What is left to discuss in Parliament?

 

[Adecypher]

Yes, there are probably some assurances given. Only time will tell. But really: Pakistanis need to not buy BILLIONS of $$ worth of edible oil each year when the domestic output can be brought up very quickly to meet the demand. That's just an example. A nation, surrounded by enemies and not willing to be part of of the growing anti-China alliance can't afford to waste precious little resources. Economic sovereignty is just as important as territorial sovereignty in case of Pakistan.

I concur.

 

[Path-Finder]

What GOP must do immediately, is to call a session of parliament to discuss this American bases issue, just like it happened over Yemen issue. Let these kanjars of Shareef and Bhutto clan make their views known in front of Pakistani nation.

forget that, tooi wal are running trends against the PM to appease the yanks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1406995954159468545

then check this monkey out on TV, look at the shameful slave. Slavery to western masters is still rampant

https://twitter.com/x/status/1406978584527388678

 

[KaiserX]

Dangerous road ahead for Pak and IK. Reasons:
1. Pak is economically weak.US can pressurize Pak through IMF and economic sanctions. It is really easy for them to make an excuse for enforcing sanctions on Pak.
2. Pak's fault lines will be exploited and we have plenty of them. Baluchistan will be give more coverage on international media. Our own so called journalists will bark against Pakistani state and establishment. Sindhudaish movement will pick up pace. Sindh government has given signals many times in the past and we all know that they are for sale.
3. PDM will gain momentum again after receiving funding from the US agencies. Same goes for PTM
4. Media warfare against Pak will gain momentum.
5. As cold war has already begum between US and China and Pak being in Chinese block so CPEC will be targeted to pause Chinese progress.
6. We may see some sectarian riots as mullahs are also for sale.
7. IK is getting too much straight forward against US and his own life will be in danger.
The biggest problem for us that almost all of us are for sale and anyone can buy us to inflict damage to the country. Lets hope that some new variant of covid 19 hits US and keeps the devil busy with itself.

Stop with the scare tactics. It is not in the US interest to see a weak unstable Pakistan. Even the deep state and establishment within the US realize this. The US time and time again has stated the importance of Pakistan within the region. Biden himself is a well known Pakistan expert more than 99% of people on this forum. He knows the route he should take.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

forget that, tooi wal are running trends against the PM to appease the yanks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1406995954159468545

then check this monkey out on TV, look at the shameful slave. Slavery to western masters is still rampant

https://twitter.com/x/status/1406978584527388678

What despicable cu***.

Seriously, there has to be a "bhal safai" of media in Pakistan. Enough is enough.

PMIK has stated Pakistani policy on this matter very clearly. What is left to discuss in Parliament?

Anything can be discussed in parliament. Let the nation hear the views of opposition leaders on this particular matter. They have not uttered a single word , either in support or against GOP policy. Its a very important foreign policy issue.

 

[Xone]

Pakistan has already given US what is needed, Nothing more is required at present. No problem for either for Pakistan or US.

 

[VCheng]

Anything can be discussed in parliament. Let the nation hear the views of opposition leaders on this particular matter. They have not uttered a single word , either in support or against GOP policy. Its a very important foreign policy issue.

The leaders can talk to the media to air their views as they see fit. Clearly, debating an already decided issue is a waste of time in Parliament, given that other undecided issues should take priority.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

The leaders can talk to the media to air their views as they see fit. Clearly, debating an already decided issue is a waste of time in Parliament, given that other undecided issues should take priority.

Decided issue or not, this is clearly dragging into other domains of statecraft between nations. Parliament is the only institution where both treasury and opposition benches can give their opinion about a matter in a protracted debate, an issue which has got security implications as well going into the future. Nation would definitely like to know if opposition leaders are with or against GOP decision of not giving access to Americans forces and CIA.

 

[VCheng]

Decided issue or not, this is clearly dragging into other domains of statecraft between nations. Parliament is the only institution where both treasury and opposition benches can give their opinion about a matter in a protected debate, an issue which has got security implications as well going into the future. Nation would definitely like to know if opposition leaders are with or against GOP decision of not giving access to Americans forces and CIA.

Fair enough, let the government table the motion for discussion then, if that is what they want, for the people to see both sides.

 

[nahtanbob]

I certainly hope you are right and I am wrong. You and had butted heads in some other thread and we are still apart. I don't think Pakistan will completely deny America. The concessions given by Pakistan will be revealed decades later.

Pakistan's economy is dependent upon America and its allies. In my opinion, unless the Pakistani nation is willing to eat the 'proverbial grass' to suffer the economic consequences of a categorical denial of America's requests, Pakistan will provide some facility to the Americans. A nation like Pakistan which imports billions of $ of edible oil and yet it's Prime Minister still kisses $ss of a spoilt brat Saudi Prince (MBS) by driving the Prince himself from the airport just to get a couple of billions is a vulnerable nation.

I am backing Pakistan and Imran Khan but Pakistan better comes with its' version of a "Juche" philosophy as the last resort!! Pakistan should be prepared for huge economic costs because of sanctions, remittance obstacles, assets freezes, expulsions of labor... its potentially a long list of actions but I DON'T foresee the actions like those against Iran simply because Pakistan is NOT against the United States at all. Anyway, every Pakistani must 'game' the scenario and come up with Pakistan's own "Juche" plan. In that regard, Pakistan has certain distinct advantages unlike North Korea: Pakistan has a large young population, a long history of free enterprise, a large diaspora, a long crop growing season, stronger military....

In short, to be relatively immune from foreign economic blackmails, Pakistan must have a "Juche" the last resort plan.

Juche plan is not an option for Pakistan. Pakistan has a lot of things still to sell or bargain with. Enforcing a Juche plan has a lot of political consequences.

Pakistan is not against United States per se. But that means keeping a distance from China and ignoring India-USA dealings. There lies the trick.

 

[Meengla]

Juche plan is not an option for Pakistan. Pakistan has a lot of things still to sell or bargain with. Enforcing a Juche plan has a lot of political consequences.

Pakistan is not against United States per se. But that means keeping a distance from China and ignoring India-USA dealings. There lies the trick.

Of course I didn't mean literally follow North Korea's Juche Plan. No country in the world does or would do. But the Pakistani economy must be able to take the shock-waves in the unlikely case of America starts the economic strangulations. Pakistani economy could be crippled within a short time frame in that case. Countries with far better natural resources have been badly hurt--as I said Venezuela, Iran and Russia come to mind.
But the Pakistani planners have always done a good job of doing a balancing act in foreign relations. And I foresee that continuing to happen. Pakistan simply can't afford mis-steps considering a hostile powerful neighboring country with powerful backers is ready to strike any time given an opening.

Coming back to the topic: Even a veteran (and perhaps the smartest brain for foreign affairs in Pakistan) the former Foreign Minister Khursheed Kasuri is puzzled that America would ask for 'bases' after withdrawing. I will keep following him to see how the relations are going to evolve.