Countries not willing to talk about Kashmir because of India's influence: Former Pakistan diplomat

[oOo]

Good thing you deleted your last post. It was as incoherent as it was brainless.

Though I must say I hate being the reason for any confidence and self esteem issues. No need to delete a post and retreat into a hole. Its an anonymous board after all. Consider this your safe space.

Dont give yourself undue importance.

Someone who do not want me to rough you in wrong way deleted my post. I am on PDF.

 

[Brickwall]

Missed that memo. List the countries. Last I checked, they all have relations with Pakistan. They probably teach you something else in Bharat...

Memos is not sent to Madrasas.Maybe using web search is not yet taught in there

 

[Sully3]

This is why Illegally indian occupied kashmir will get azadi.

superb own goal by Sanghis.

#ThankYouJinnah

 

[UnitedPak]

Memos is not sent to Madrasas.Maybe using web search is not yet taught in there

You can't even back up your own nonsense. Wouldn't it be better just to stay quiet in the future?

 

[prashantazazel]

Since they are not your countrymen, you are forgiven for not knowing about their cause. They were promised a referendum for self determination and this was never delivered. Its really that simple. The need for this goes back to well before the partition when they suffered injustice by Dogra rulers. Indian government continuing the same violent practices did not help the matter. The demand for self determination still stands. It's not going to go away, ever.


Feel free to go back to British rule.

They faced injustice under Dogra rulers. I won't disagree. You think the Mughals and the slave dynasty were nice cuddly folks who didn't discriminate? Have you heard of people like Ahmed Shah Abdali?
Everyone has had issues in the past.
That's not a reason for us to give in to a religious cause.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Thanks for the reply

I'm not aware of India refusing to implement the process of demilitarization for the referendum to take place. A link will be appreciated.

BTW, I never said Pakistan has to unilaterally pull out the troops. I only asked why Pakistan isn't implementing the UN pre-conditions of pulling out the troops. Of course it has to be done by both but the difference is that Pakistan has to pull out everyone from disputed area (including those who were allowed to settle in there by you). On the other hand, India will reduce the troops to minimum to maintain the law and order.

India doesn't have to pull out entire troops from there.

• In the first step, Pakistan was asked to use its "best endeavours" to secure the withdrawal of all tribesmen and Pakistani nationals, putting an end to the fighting in the state.
• In the second step, India was asked to "progressively reduce" its forces to the minimum level required for keeping law and order. It laid down principles that India should follow in administering law and order in consultation with the Commission, using local personnel as far as possible.

Here's a link to UN website: http://www.un.org/en/sc/documents/resolutions/1948.shtml

That's the precondition which Pakistan never met. Why?



I'm not aware who that guy is and why does it even matter what he says. Why? Because the pre condition isn't met by Pakistan. Then why should we care what a foreigner has to say about us? How can you blame us for something which comes later in the second step when the first step isn't even met?


Please give me a link for this part, I'll read it and then comment on it. In the meantime, if may ask, what do you mean by "in favour of the UN troops?"


We blame Pakistan because

1) Pakistan didn't complete the precondition for the Kashmir referendum to take place.
2) Pakistan allowed non Kashmiris to settle in the disputed area (please note India have NEVER done this).
3) Instead of respecting the UN resolution, Pakistan started supporting those who subscribe to violence in the valley and we consider it as an act of terrorism. Why? Because if you're serious about resolving this issue then why not follow the process which is already in place to solve it (UN resolution)? Why do something which is never AGREED UPON?

India have now switched to "Kashmir is India's inseparable part" because your actions displayed that you aren't serious to solve the problem. You didn't stick to what you agreed to. So why should we care, really? Blaming India for the current scenario is just being dishonest, Sir.

Let me make it simple for you. As the first step Pakistan had to begin withdrawing its troops as soon as the UN appointed Commission for India and Pakistan notified it. Pakistan had informed the Commission that it was prepared to withdraw its troops. But the Commission never notified Pakistan as India didn't accept any demilitarization plan proposed by the Commission. If you are able to understand this simple thing, we can discuss it further

 

[Amalek]

Hm....In those days, we had to do things. Now, Hafeez and rest of mullahs are doing what we could not do for the past 30 years. Destablize Pakistan internally. And these idiots are cheering for him. Good for us.

I always thought, why couldn't our intelligence agencies kill Hafeez Saeed? Now I realize, this man is important to India. He is the face of terrorism that we can showcase to the entire world. A very useful tool. Killing him won't destroy his organization. But him alive, well, that is very useful.

This is why Illegally indian occupied kashmir will get azadi.

superb own goal by Sanghis.

#ThankYouJinnah

I blame Jinnah for that man's murder. If there was no partition, Muslims in the subcontinent would have been more powerful. They would be richer, have more political influence. Subcontinent would have been a strong country. A huge country.

Jinnah weakened the Muslims and strengthened the Sanghis.

 

[Kuru]

Let me make it simple for you. As the first step Pakistan had to begin withdrawing its troops as soon as the UN appointed Commission for India and Pakistan notified it. Pakistan had informed the Commission that it was prepared to withdraw its troops. But the Commission never notified Pakistan as India didn't accept any demilitarization plan proposed by the Commission. If you are able to understand this simple thing, we can discuss it further

I understood that simple thing, that's why I said the following in my previous reply:

Thanks for the reply

I'm not aware of India refusing to implement the process of demilitarization for the referendum to take place. A link will be appreciated.

Again, a link will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.