Could Pakistan Use Nuclear Weapons in a Future Conflict with Afghanistan?

[INDIC]

The last time they sent in their army our Pukhtoons in Bajaur drove them out...this time around we've got the Tribal Lashkars alongside the Army there....we don't need nukes to fight back !

When this happened and what was the reason?

 

[RazPaK]

What kind of bs thread is this?


OP should log off, Indefinitely.

 

[Armstrong]

I didn't know you are a ruthless guy, just to let you know, nobody is going to talk like in my presence again. Seriously, you have to make a difference between Afghani ordinary people who have been in hell almost all their lives, and terrorists. Damn that USSR...

In '47 when Pakistan's tribal areas joined Pakistan as autonomous units of the country the Afghan Government sitting in Kabul wiped up the 'Pukhtoonistan' issue in trying to get the areas break away from Pakistan and instead join Afghanistan. Why...? Thats a long discussion involving something called the 'Durand Line' and Afghanistan's refusal to recognize it and Pakistan's Tribal Areas and the Province of Khyber-Pukhtoonkhwa being predominantly Pukhtoon - the largest ethnic group of Afghanistan. For some reason Kabul had the idea of invading Bajaur - one of the Tribal Agencies of Pakistan in '60, the Bajauris (almost all of whom are Pukhtoons !) fought against the Afghan militias and later the Afghan Army before the Pakistan Army stepped in on the behest of the ruler of Bajaur - the Nawab of Khar ! Long story short - They invaded and our Pukhtoon Tribals - Proud Pakistanis - along with our army kicked them out !

Thats what I was alluding too !

I wouldn't call 'self-defence' as being ruthless ! If they come again...we'd be waiting...we don't need nukes to defend our territory from Afghanistan ! Our Tribal Militias and Our Army is more than adequate to protect Pakistani Land from them.

 

[p4kistan]

It will never happen, if nuking afghanistan we would destroy pakistan.

There is a video detailing how a pashtun pak army colonel/general clearly lets the ISAF forces that don't try and use divide/conquer tactics to instill some form of independence ideas for the tribal areas because if they were to do that Pakistan encompass afghaniatan up till Kabul.

The war of terror have been for 2 reasons, hegemony of the middle east/oil. 2) Stopping the rise of islam, caliphate, confederations.

The Afghanistan-Pakistan confederation will inevitably come about one day, the remaining muslim nations will follow eventually in joining such a confederation. GCC(+other arab nations)+Iran-Afghan-Pak+Turkic States would be a quite an influential body.

 

[INDIC]

The Afghanistan-Pakistan confederation will inevitably come about one day, the remaining muslim nations will follow eventually in joining such a confederation. GCC(+other arab nations)+Iran-Afghan-Pak+Turkic States would be a quite an influential body.

Since majority of Afghans hate Pakistan, Pakistan-Afghanistan confederation is just one sided idea which will never materialize.

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

I dont think pakistan would want to use nukes against afghanistan, anyway using nukes against them is overkill. In the unlikely case of war between the two countries only PAF and PA will be used, imo.

Stupid Question.
Dropping a Nuke Next door is not a wise option.

 

[KingMamba]

The author of the article is an imbeccile.

Pakistan would not need to nuke Afghanistan if any conflict occurs, they would capture Kabul within a couple of weeks and it would be the end of Afghanistan.

Whoever said Afghans hate Pakistan needs to understand it the Tajiks and Uzbek ethnic Afghan that hate Pakistan, the majority Pashtuns of Afghanistan are indifferent. The fool who wrote the article also forgot that the Pashtun of FATA raised up in arms against the Afghan Army last time they tried this stupidity and that they consider themselves Pakistanis and would definitively be fighting alongside the Pak Army if such a scenario occurred. The strongest anti-Afghan rhetoric comes from the Pashtun of Fata in Pakistan as they see what the refugees have done to the country. If the Pashtuns of Pakistan did not want the refugees to leave trust me the GOP would not bother trying to remove them lest they anger their own people.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Why would Pakistan want to nuke its Muslim siblings?

 

[Doctor Death]

Whoever said Afghans hate Pakistan needs to understand it the Tajiks and Uzbek ethnic Afghan that hate Pakistan, the majority Pashtuns of Afghanistan are indifferent. The fool who wrote the article also forgot that the Pashtun of FATA raised up in arms against the Afghan Army last time they tried this stupidity and that they consider themselves Pakistanis and would definitively be fighting alongside the Pak Army if such a scenario occurred. The strongest anti-Afghan rhetoric comes from the Pashtun of Fata in Pakistan as they see what the refugees have done to the country. If the Pashtuns of Pakistan did not want the refugees to leave trust me the GOP would not bother trying to remove them lest they anger their own people.

He is not a fool.
He is a officer in US Army and a degree holder in military history.

 

[SBD-3]

I am sure Afghanistan has vast uranium reserves to develop nukes.

Dude, I think you spend most of your time searching anything against Pakistan........There are things which make sense, many other which don't. Its quite the opposite what west has been so far ranting upon

It was slightly more than a year ago Pakistan had begun the first larger scale ground incursions into Afghanistan, trying to quell the Pashtun terror and rebellion on the Pakistan side of the border. The safe havens in Afghanistan had to be eliminated, less the terror may destabilize Pakistan itself, was the rationale in Islamabad. With a stalled offensive on its hands, and the prospect of an endless counter insurgency engagement in Afghanistan, a long time enemy, the political and military top in Pakistan was increasingly tempted to use the Pakistan military trump card; nuclear weapons.

So he himself admitting that the safe heavens of terror would likely to bolster in Afghanistan leading to an inference that US is again going to repeat what he further admits going forth

Ironically, the mujahidin bases in Pakistan, and US (CIA) backed incursions into soviet-occupied Afghanistan helped establish the illegal and malign cross-border relationship, and likely also helped reconfirm the Pashtun identity as a sovereign tribe capable of ousting invaders (the soviets). The border remained porous after the Soviet withdrawal and well into the post 9/11 era, when it was the Pakistan intelligence agency, ISI, backing the Taliban or Al-Qaeda insurgency, which was the base of the cross-border activity, now aimed at destabilizing the afghan government.

This means US would again leave Afghanistan in deep **** like it did before, placing US amongst the prime culprits afghan destabilization.
And here is the most interesting thing
while he starts off with usual anti-Pakistan rant by saying

Although the ISAF campaign in Afghanistan centered around aiding the legitimate, elected, Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (GIRoA), in a fight against a native insurgency, this insurgency also found its safe havens in Pakistan, across the border, turning the border into one of the absolute key elements of the counter-insurgency campaign.

But subsequently admits indirectly that US and NATO themselves have failed in achieving what they demand from Pakistan i.e. destroying safe heavens for terror

In addition, as the campaign changed from full scale counter insurgency back into counter-terrorism mode in 2012-2014, focus was once again on Al Qaeda training camps and facilities on both sides of the border, in south and east Afghanistan, and in the nort western frontier provinces of Pakistan.Surveillance and attacks were stepped up by the US forces........

Now just think for a second, have we ever heard of any drone attacks in Afghanistan?. The answer is plain No. If I think of an answer so as to why US hasn't been able launch a single drone attack in Afghanistan whereas every second day there is one in North Waziristan? the lack of local support and intelligence network. On Pakistani side of the borders americans not only get intelligence support from Pakistan but also local information support against taliban. However, Americans neither have any intelligence network nor local information support in its own backyard, highlighting extreme incompetence of US in countering insurgency in Afghanistan.

 

[KingMamba]

He is not a fool.
He is a officer in US Army and a degree holder in military history.

He is a fool and a warmonger.

 

[Juice]

To those who say the tribesmen in FATA would do the work for Pakistan...they are NOT part of Pakistan (when your army has to contemplate offensives into the area...then chicken out...it is for all intents and purposes not part of your country)

 

[KingMamba]

I am sure Afghanistan has vast uranium reserves to develop nukes.

If Afghanistan makes any attempt to build nuclear bombs America would shut it down before anybody else.

 

[RazPaK]

To those who say the tribesmen in FATA would do the work for Pakistan...they are NOT part of Pakistan (when your army has to contemplate offensives into the area...then chicken out...it is for all intents and purposes not part of your country)

Negative. Most tribes are very cooperative with the Army.

 

[KingMamba]

To those who say the tribesmen in FATA would do the work for Pakistan...they are NOT part of Pakistan (when your army has to contemplate offensives into the area...then chicken out...it is for all intents and purposes not part of your country)

NW is just a little strip in FATA and the majority of Pashtun also reside in Khyber so that is irrelevant. Local Lashkar also fight militants in NW. The Lashkar are made up of Pashtun.