Copy copy copy!!!

[Proud2Indian]

its not really comming from pakistan, india got its own source of pirated cd's. Plus it does not take a genius to make pirated cd, its really easy and cheap.

Well its easy if master copy exist...or even if a CD copy has been released...you will be surprised to find how organize and high tech this pirating business is....even Hollywood movies are available within 24 hrs after release....Its part of Organized Crime....not run-of-the-mill guys...


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[Proud2Indian]

No its not a remix when no one in India has heard the original Pakistani version and thinks Indian version is the real deal.

Sorry mate you can't blame the listener for this....and what actually happens is that original is modified slightly to make it remix...its 95% original but that 5% allows it to sneak in as remix ...

BTW I dont know much about pirated Bollywood films but you can get all those films online

1) Well they are uploaded using pirated copies 2) Before that we had video piracy....



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[Omar1984]

Sorry mate you can't blame the listener for this....and what actually happens is that original is modified slightly to make it remix...its 95% original but that 5% allows it to sneak in as remix ...


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So is it ok for Indian song writers to copy a song from a neighboring country and say its him/her who created the song and sell it to his/her country and become a millionare?

 

[Omar1984]

1) Well they are uploaded using pirated copies 2) Before that we had video piracy....



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Everyone knows a pirated Bollywood movie is Indian no one can claim its Pakistani, its India who claims that Pakistani songs are their's.

 

[afriend]

<MODE: Devil's Advocate>

The issue is entirely legal - The state decides that affording a monopoly power over songs (or books or arts) allows for the artist to get paid and gives an incentive for her to produce more songs. Notice that there is no similar rule over paintings/statues, anyone can make a copy of the original. As long as the original is not stolen the state does not interfere.

I heard a song, now the song is in my mind. What moral right does someone have over me singing that song ? If someone does not want me to sing a song, they should not sing it while I am around. Keep it a secret or sing only to their friends or something.
I would even say that if the copied song sells more than the original (and other copies) then the copied song is an improvement over the original and hence a valid contribution to the arts. For eg. I can go around singing "Aafreen Aafreen" and other than a slap from girls at the bus stop, I won't gain anything from it. On the other hand Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan can sing it and make money from it - What moral right do I have to stop him from earning his bread (if I were the composer of the song)?


How is free speech different from free music ?

Well there are two things to it..!!! Nobody is stopping anybody from singing each others song.
But if you take an already existing song, and put your name on it as if you made it and selling it is not right, even no rule of law has been passed, morally the same is not right. See we have lot of singers singing songs, they attribute it to the orignal one and doesnt sing as it is theirs..!!!! However you get an inspiration put some 5% efforts on it and make a remix and claim that the entire song as theirs, is that moraly right???. Free speech doesnt mean moral degradation..!!! If we do anything and everything without respect and courtesy.. that is not free speech or free musci..!!! You got to give what is due to the original song writer/Composer... and respect his creativity...!!!!

 

[duhastmish]

Yes most pkistani artist copied them -20 years before india released them. There is no doubt in music industry somehow pakistan is leader, But its unfortunate to see the down slide in quality of music produced. The tread which is following all around the globe.

 

[Omar1984]

<Mode: Devil's Advocate>
Who is forcing them to? If they produce music for sake of music, they will continue producing music because this way more people listen to it. If they produce it for making money, may be they wont. Why did Ghalib write poetry? Did Bulleh Shah care how many people prayed to god with the same song?

If you phrase it as "greedy neighboring country", then why does "greedy neighboring country" care about Pakistani artists getting paid? As long as "greedy neighboring country" can listen to good music and drink cheap beer, why does it care about some greedy for money singer in "otherwise-not-greedy neighboring country"

Poets like Bulleh Shah have always been given recognition, when people hear their poetry they know its from which poet.

I bet most of India dont know that many popular tunes pictured in Indian films are really creation of Pakistani singers because Indians claim its their's and refuse to give recognition to the original Pakistani singer.

 

[afriend]

Poets like Bulleh Shah have always been given recognition, when people hear their poetry they know its from which poet.

I bet most of India dont know that many popular tunes pictured in Indian films are really creation of Pakistani singers because Indians claim its their's and refuse to give recognition to the original Pakistani singer.

Well could you please stop generalising, its some indians who do that okay, not all, my angel friend from heaven..!!!!

 

[Omar1984]

Well could you please stop generalising, its some indians who do that okay, not all, my angel friend from heaven..!!!!

Yes and I appreciate that Indian movie industry has paid some Pakistani singers like Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Nazia Hassan, and Atif Aslam...and gave them respect by first asking their permission then hired them to sing in Indian films, and paid them for their work.

I wish the same respect was given to other Pakistani singers who had no recognition, not a single rupee, or no permission asked by Bollywood.

 

[AliFarooq]

consider our selves lucky, wt about the people that wrote the story, in Hollywood, never got anything.

 

[Omar1984]

consider our selves lucky, wt about the people that wrote the story, in Hollywood, never got anything.

Hollywood has enough wealth, its our entertainment industry that's full of talent but with very little money and the discovery of internet has not helped it made our singers more poor.

 

[AliFarooq]

thats true, hollywood is mad rich.

 

[Proud2Indian]

So is it ok for Indian song writers to copy a song from a neighboring country and say its him/her who created the song and sell it to his/her country and become a millionare?

Nope...I am not advocating that...Thinking more about it ....its all marketing...and good artist are bad at it...there are lot of example worldover...Don't blame listener if artist is not able to market it product....if they are able to do so, listener will be able to know and make choice whether s\he want to listen to original or copy...

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[Proud2Indian]

Everyone knows a pirated Bollywood movie is Indian no one can claim its Pakistani, its India who claims that Pakistani songs are their's.

But India looses money due to privacy...


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[Proud2Indian]

Yes and I appreciate that Indian movie industry has paid some Pakistani singers like Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Nazia Hassan, and Atif Aslam...and gave them respect by first asking their permission then hired them to sing in Indian films, and paid them for their work.

I wish the same respect was given to other Pakistani singers who had no recognition, not a single rupee, or no permission asked by Bollywood.

I guess you have to make distinction here between composer and singer...I don;t think any singer's work has been used illegally....music....I agree..so its composer who is shortchanged....


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