Copy copy copy!!!

[AliFarooq]

Ya ghali to ya ali another song.
Then the murder song was made from another arabic song.

 

[Omar1984]

its not just the music, its also the story line. I enjoy watchin bollywood movies, quite a few of them ill be watching, and most of them u can tell the story was from this english or irani movie.

Its not fair to the original artist that their hard work is being stolen.
Most of the Pakistani singers whose songs have been stolen are not half as rich as those Indians who stole their songs. I'm sure if Indian movie industry asked these Pakistani singers for their songs and paid them, they would allow their songs in Indian movies...but Indian movie industries didn't even pay them which gets me so angry

Today Tassawar Khanum is in her 70s and no one knows about her outside Pakistan while her songs which are stolen by Indians are famous everywhere, the people who stole her songs are millionares while she remains a middle class Pakistani citizen.

 

[Goodperson]

Its not fair to the original artist that their hard work is being stolen.
Most of the Pakistani singers whose songs have been stolen are not half as rich as those Indians who stole their songs. I'm sure if Indian movie industry asked these Pakistani singers for their songs and paid them, they would allow their songs in Indian movies...but Indian movie industries didn't even pay them which gets me so angry

Today Tassawar Khanum is in her 70s and no one knows about her outside Pakistan while her songs which are stolen by Indians are famous everywhere, the people who stole her songs are millionares while she remains a middle class Pakistani citizen.

Please do a favor by watching legal copies of work of Pakistani entertainment industry they need support of Pakistanis badly. Apathy of people of your country perhaps has cost a lot. I see only you who is complaining I did not hear from the artiste themselves.

 

[Omar1984]

Please do a favor by watching legal copies of work of Pakistani entertainment industry they need support of Pakistanis badly. Apathy of people of your country perhaps has cost a lot. I see only you who is complaining I did not hear from the artiste themselves.

As if anything would happen if they complained to India.

By the way, Pakistan's population is 170 million, India's population is over 1 billion..the language is very similar..why do you think Pakistani Atif Aslam is so rich because he sold all his songs to India. Its one thing buying a song its another stealing it. If India bought these Pakistani songs like they bought Atif Aslam's songs it wouldn't be a problem...but Indians didn't buy most of Pakistani songs that have been played in Indian movies...they stole them.

If Hollywood stole Canadian songs (not asking the Canadian singers permission without giving them any money or credit) U.S. would never get away with it.

 

[afriend]

As if anything would happen if they complained to India.

By the way, Pakistan's population is 170 million, India's population is over 1 billion..the language is very similar..why do you think Pakistani Atif Aslam is so rich because he sold all his songs to India. Its one thing buying a song its another stealing it. If India bought these Pakistani songs like they bought Atif Aslam's songs it wouldn't be a problem...but Indians didn't buy most of Pakistani songs that have been played in Indian movies...they stole them.

If Hollywood stole Canadian songs (not asking the Canadian singers permission without giving them any money or credit) U.S. would never get away with it.

Well its unfortunate that people just shamelessely copy the orignal songs per say in the name of inspiration,without any consent of the orignal composer. You have to question the morals of that individual but not the industry as a whole.
Since you are accusing india of stealing pakistani songs... which infact is understandable from your pas stand against india. For a counter argument i can say the billions of Rs indian filim industry looses due the pirated CD's comming from pakistan..!!!!! So both wrongs automatically nullifies..!!! .

However a deep rooted sentiments for a much wider role and exchange of people/culture and trade between two countries is hidden in your words which is appreciated..!!!

 

[duhastmish]

How can people forget the involvement of Underworld in bollywood.
But on the other hand : its smart business move to copy the tune and make money.
Isnt it more like REMIX ?
Its not indian its an american way of making money.
so chill

 

[wtf]

Well its unfortunate that people just shamelessely copy the orignal songs per say in the name of inspiration,without any consent of the orignal composer. You have to question the morals of that individual but not the industry as a whole.

Actually there is no stealing involved since the original song is still available - it is copyright infringement. And Copyright is not a natural property or right like land or gold is. It is a limited monopoly granted by the government of the State. If the law of the land says remixes are legal, they are legal. If it says there is no property rights over some types of music, there is none. And no government, no copyright.

US in its early independence (until 1900's I think) refused to respect English copyrights, and as a result had access to cheap books and education. Ignoring copyrights is not an unheard of concept. Same goes for Indian CDs/DVDs in Pakistan, I guess - if the Pak govt says they are not going to prosecute Pirates, then nothing much anyone can do about it except trying to get them to sign a treaty.

The songs and music of subcontinent grew by people copying and retelling others stories and songs. What would all the Qawwali singers sing if only the original songs could not be sung by someone else ?

- The above is not my views exactly, but I am taking a morally defensible position on this issue. Hopefully people can discuss without accusations of stealing and mudslinging countries.

 

[afriend]

Actually there is no stealing involved since the original song is still available - it is copyright infringement. And Copyright is not a natural property or right like land or gold is. It is a limited monopoly granted by the government of the State. If the law of the land says remixes are legal, they are legal. If it says there is no property rights over some types of music, there is none. And no government, no copyright.

US in its early independence (until 1900's I think) refused to respect English copyrights, and as a result had access to cheap books and education. Ignoring copyrights is not an unheard of concept. Same goes for Indian CDs/DVDs in Pakistan, I guess - if the Pak govt says they are not going to prosecute Pirates, then nothing much anyone can do about it except trying to get them to sign a treaty.

The songs and music of subcontinent grew by people copying and retelling others stories and songs. What would all the Qawwali singers sing if only the original songs could not be sung by someone else ?

- The above is not my views exactly, but I am taking a morally defensible position on this issue. Hopefully people can discuss without accusations of stealing and mudslinging countries.

The issue is moral, and not legal..!!! It is not always right to use some others stuff without permission right . And yes blunt accusations and mudslinging is something we can always refrain from......right omar..!!!

 

[AliFarooq]

Well its unfortunate that people just shamelessely copy the orignal songs per say in the name of inspiration,without any consent of the orignal composer. You have to question the morals of that individual but not the industry as a whole.
Since you are accusing india of stealing pakistani songs... which infact is understandable from your pas stand against india. For a counter argument i can say the billions of Rs indian filim industry looses due the pirated CD's comming from pakistan..!!!!! So both wrongs automatically nullifies..!!! .

However a deep rooted sentiments for a much wider role and exchange of people/culture and trade between two countries is hidden in your words which is appreciated..!!!

its not really comming from pakistan, india got its own source of pirated cd's. Plus it does not take a genius to make pirated cd, its really easy and cheap.

 

[Omar1984]

How can people forget the involvement of Underworld in bollywood.
But on the other hand : its smart business move to copy the tune and make money.
Isnt it more like REMIX ?
Its not indian its an american way of making money.
so chill

No its not a remix when no one in India has heard the original Pakistani version and thinks Indian version is the real deal.

All I'm saying is that if India wants to use Pakistani songs in their movies, ask the Pakistani singers first for their permission just like Indians have asked Atif Aslam, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, and Nazia Hassan for their songs. If these Pakistani singers got paid for their songs so should others whose songs have been used in Indian movies but without their permission.

I dont care what Pakistani song is in an Indian movie, as long as the original singer grants permission to Bollywood.

BTW I dont know much about pirated Bollywood films but you can get all those films online and this stealing of Pakistani songs by Indians have been going on for decades its a problem that needs to be addressed.

I saw Tassawar Khanum's interview in Ptv once and its really sad that there's no recognition for her talent outside Pakistan when everyone in India, Bangladesh, and other places in Asia know the tunes for her songs but dont know who she is.

 

[wtf]

The issue is moral, and not legal..!!! It is not always right to use some others stuff without permission right . And yes blunt accusations and mudslinging is something we can always refrain from......right omar..!!!

<MODE: Devil's Advocate>

The issue is entirely legal - The state decides that affording a monopoly power over songs (or books or arts) allows for the artist to get paid and gives an incentive for her to produce more songs. Notice that there is no similar rule over paintings/statues, anyone can make a copy of the original. As long as the original is not stolen the state does not interfere.

I heard a song, now the song is in my mind. What moral right does someone have over me singing that song ? If someone does not want me to sing a song, they should not sing it while I am around. Keep it a secret or sing only to their friends or something.
I would even say that if the copied song sells more than the original (and other copies) then the copied song is an improvement over the original and hence a valid contribution to the arts. For eg. I can go around singing "Aafreen Aafreen" and other than a slap from girls at the bus stop, I won't gain anything from it. On the other hand Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan can sing it and make money from it - What moral right do I have to stop him from earning his bread (if I were the composer of the song)?


How is free speech different from free music ?

 

[Omar1984]

^ Then why should a singer work so hard on his/her music, why should a songwriter work so hard on writing a song..if they are only going to get ripped off by a greedy neighboring country.

 

[wtf]

If Hollywood stole Canadian songs (not asking the Canadian singers permission without giving them any money or credit) U.S. would never get away with it.

They did get away with it for a period of over a 100 years, in fact.

History of copyright law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Until Berne convention of 1952, you could copy pretty much anything produced internationally as long as you were not bound by bilateral treaties.

 

[Proud2Indian]

As if anything would happen if they complained to India.

By the way, Pakistan's population is 170 million, India's population is over 1 billion..the language is very similar..why do you think Pakistani Atif Aslam is so rich because he sold all his songs to India. Its one thing buying a song its another stealing it. If India bought these Pakistani songs like they bought Atif Aslam's songs it wouldn't be a problem...but Indians didn't buy most of Pakistani songs that have been played in Indian movies...they stole them.

If Hollywood stole Canadian songs (not asking the Canadian singers permission without giving them any money or credit) U.S. would never get away with it.

Well Seven Samurai from Japan has been stolen by every other film industry worth his name.....there is Cop movie ( I am forgetting the name) from HK stolen by Hollywood....Indian Song "Chamma Chamma" (If that was org) was used without prior permission in "Moulin Rouge"...

But that does not absolve Bollywood from their sin..frankly you can't hate them more then me for this.....They have literally murdered some good scripts while stealing Old Boy\ Zinda comes to mind....the ending of Original can't be accepted in India so they twisted it and ended with killing the spirit of the movie....


tx

 

[wtf]

^ Then why should a singer work so hard on his/her music, why should a songwriter work so hard on writing a song..if they are only going to get ripped off by a greedy neighboring country.

<Mode: Devil's Advocate>
Who is forcing them to? If they produce music for sake of music, they will continue producing music because this way more people listen to it. If they produce it for making money, may be they wont. Why did Ghalib write poetry? Did Bulleh Shah care how many people prayed to god with the same song?

If you phrase it as "greedy neighboring country", then why does "greedy neighboring country" care about Pakistani artists getting paid? As long as "greedy neighboring country" can listen to good music and drink cheap beer, why does it care about some greedy for money singer in "otherwise-not-greedy neighboring country"