Controversial questions asked by a father related to APS incident.!

[Winchester]

I am not saying that he must have stayed and fought. My point is, how he managed to escape while others don't.....?

He was on stage and had a clear line of sight

Many students from the auditorium also escaped, not all of them were killed

 

[Tipu7]

He was on stage and had a clear line of sight

Many students from the auditorium also escaped, not all of them were killed

And how you define the absence of security guards? Why only two were there instead of dozen?

What do you suggest? you must have some thoughts of your own too that made you ask the question. What do you suggest, how he managed (if there was one) to escape while other did not?

I don't have any personal thoughts, I am asking what people are asking me. A random guy said to me

"your brave army major was there, instead of staying and fighting he ran away. The missing security guards protected him instead of school. The kids of school are more brave than your army officers"

And I was speechless. I had no answers..... this "major" thing was new for me.

look people don't understand complex matters, they ask simple questions and want simple answers......

 

[Winchester]

And how you define the absence of security guards? Why only two were there instead of dozen?

I am sorry but now you are being an idiot
He was just a Major and that too belonging to the AMC

Why would there be a dozen guards with him???

I have family members who are at this rank so I would know

Before this attack this was an ordinary first aid presentation visit to a school

You think we have these many spare soldiers that we assign a dozen of them to each Major going on such a routine duty within an urban city??

"your brave army major was there, instead of staying and fighting he ran away. The missing security guards protected him instead of school. The kids of school are more brave than your army officers"

And I was speechless. I had no answers..... this "major" thing was new for me.

look people don't understand complex matters, they ask simple questions and want simple answers......

He was not a soldier.....

But a doctor

There is a reason why these folks are referred to as "Civilians in Uniform"

 

[Arsalan]

I don't have any personal thoughts, I am asking what people are asking me. A random guy said to me

"your brave army major was there, instead of staying and fighting he ran away. The missing security guards protected him instead of school. The kids of school are more brave than your army officers"

And I was speechless. I had no answers..... this "major" thing was new for me.

look people don't understand complex matters, they ask simple questions and want simple answers......

Well that is strange, i mean, when someone ask a question, answers to that same question pop into ones mind. These answers may not be right all the time but persons mind do form some sort of theory on the issue in question. I was asking about that. Logically, you should have some thoughts, some answer to the question you asked, your own point of view on the issue in debate. It might not be right, you might not be sure that it is right that is why you asked the question here but still, it must be there.

Personally, i am not a huge fan of conspiracy theories. I for one believe in the fact that Military is no supreme power, they are accountable, must be accountable and are also humans. I do not make take then as angels and saints as some fanboys make them but also at the same time i cannot ignore the fact that at present, army is the best institute that we have working in our country and that too by some margin. I also cannot take away the hundred and thousands of achievements they have, the sacrifices they make, these things outshine anyone and anything else, SADLY!

Also, i do feel that an independent inquire should be made into this incident, not to ridicule the institution in public as our media likes to do but to take necessary steps to avoid such incidents in the future. I think this will be the actual priority of any loyal Pakistani. An inquirey that can shed light on these questions. However, in the mean time, based on the track record of our media, i wont believe a word of what they are trying to cook up. For me, these things claims and rants are nothing but yet another case of making a breaking news out of nothing! Still, an independent inquirey should put to bed any such concerns, ideally it should.

I will wait for your version of the answer to this question.

 

[Plotinium]

The major has been court martial for whatever he did when the attack happened.

 

[Tipu7]

I am sorry but now you are being an idiot
He was just a Major and that too belonging to the AMC

Why would there be a dozen guards with him???

I have family members who are at this rank so I would know

Before this attack this was an ordinary first aid presentation visit to a school

You think we have these many spare soldiers that we assign a dozen of them to each Major going on such a routine duty within an urban city??




He was not a soldier.....

But a doctor

There is a reason why these folks are referred to as "Civilians in Uniform"

As per parents, only two guards were there. Where were remaining dozen?

You are relating Major with Security guards. I am not.

I will wait for your version of the answer to this question.

I don't have any theory. For Major case, I knew he was just a medic. But for me it was hard to accept that he ran away. I wanted its simple confirmation. Since such "brave" incident is not mentioned in media.

As per security guard, I am blank. I don't know why they were not there. May be run away. May be not stationed there. That's why I am asking. As this incident was also not mentioned in media.

Half truths always give chance to conspiracy theories to emerge. Just like Lal Masjid incident. No clear answers were given and we are still paying price of "thousands of female student blood" who died there. I don't want that this incident to be treated in same way.

Parents don't want fame, neither plats or money. They want justice. And once one father came to Mike he explored those things which were not known, at least at common level. Now."Who knows" what is still hidden. After all there are people who showed "negligence"..... and I believe they must be punished the same way the killers were punished ......

If answers are not given, it will pollute this sacrifice of children. There are already many people out there who believe that it was false flag from ISI to justify and gain public approval and support from government for operation..... I hate to admit, our half truths are subject of distortion for likes of them.....

 

[TheNoob]

I am not saying that he must have stayed and fought. My point is, how he managed to escape while others don't.....?

Well, Let me say one thing though.
Most school requires you to stay in class unless theres a safe route during such incidents.
In confusion, I believe the teachers went that way and locked the doors and told them to get in the back of the class.

@Tipu7 I believe your highly confused at the moment XD

 

[Mrc]

I believe that major was court martialled ...

But its not enough... he should have been shot publically....

We really need to take firm stock of black sheep in military

 

[Tipu7]

Well, Let me say one thing though.
Most school requires you to stay in class unless theres a safe route during such incidents.
In confusion, I believe the teachers went that way and locked the doors and told them to get in the back of the class.

@Tipu7 I believe your highly confused at the moment XD

Frankly I am confused.
And whatever you are saying is also not solid reason. It is "this might have happened".... it's not solid reasoning......

 

[Arsalan]

As per parents, only two guards were there. Where were remaining dozen?

You are relating Major with Security guards. I am not.


I don't have any theory. For Major case, I knew he was just a medic. But for me it was hard to accept that he ran away. I wanted its simple confirmation. Since such "brave" incident is not mentioned in media.

As per security guard, I am blank. I don't know why they were not there. May be run away. May be not stationed there. That's why I am asking. As this incident was also not mentioned in media.

Half truths always give chance to conspiracy theories to emerge. Just like Lal Masjid incident. No clear answers were given and we are still paying price of "thousands of female student blood" who died there. I don't want that this incident to be treated in same way.

Parents don't want fame, neither plats or money. They want justice. And once one father came to Mike he explored those things which were not known, at least at common level. Now."Who knows" what is still hidden. After all there are people who showed "negligence"..... and I believe they must be punished the same way the killers were punished ......

If answers are not given, it will pollute this sacrifice of children. There are already many people out there who believe that it was false flag from ISI to justify and gain public approval and support from government for operation..... I hate to admit, our half truths are subject of distortion for likes of them.....

Dear what your call half truths may be THE TRUTH for some, they will say all rest is conspiracy.
As for the questions being asked, this is what the call whistle blowers.

As i stated in the beginning, i do feel that there should be a complete inquire into the incident and results made public. However, that will be no guarantee that such questions wont be asked again, there will be people who will come up with same questions again, media will still add fuel to the fire, this is how things work, sadly. Still, that is no excuse and i do feel that an inquiry is required and results should be made public. If anyone have any more filthy ideas after that, we will leave it to them

For the red building incident that they called masjid, i am all in for that. The way those mentally ill terrorists are acting again these days, i hope government wont again leave it to the last moment, this evil should be nipped in bud right now.

For ISI Flase Flag, this is not USA!!!
In US, the government FEAR the citizens, the citizens have some actual say in the government policies so they MAY need to plot such moves to gain support of citizens, that is not the case here. Do our government care about public opinions when the loot us in billions? a thing that absolutely 100% of general public wont approve. Do the care how they treat the image of our country in the world? a thing that absolutely 100% general public will be concerned with? they don't!! So WHY would they kill there own kids for approval of some operation that even in worst case scenario had the approval of more then 50% of general public. Majority of our population, even before that attack was of the view that these culprits should be dealt with once and for all so there was no need to killing there own kids (remember it was ARMY public school) The didnt required it in past 4 similar operations so they didn't required it now. Here our population do not have that much control over government policies (sadly) that they will need such acts to fool the public, we are already a bunch of fools i would say.
So, no matter how bad or evil we assume our army or ISI to be, the conspiracy of a false flag hold no life in it on logical evaluation as well. It is what we all call it, a conspiracy theory and nothing more.

A detailed inquiry will help clear mind of those who are genuinely concerned, so this should happen, even if it will still leave a huge lot behind who say all this just for the sake of criticism and have no other interest. Nothing can be done about them other them leaving them alone.

 

[TheNoob]

Frankly I am confused.
And whatever you are saying is also not solid reason. It is "this might have happened".... it's not solid reasoning......

I can say its enough to know the mindset is like that most of time, the schools i've been to past had teachers like it. (including APS Sadder)

Eitherway, The Major your talking about took some kids with him out too.

 

[Winchester]

As per parents, only two guards were there. Where were remaining dozen?

Guards are posted on the front gates of the schools

You don't have armed guards roaming the corridors within the school or posted outside auditoriums

The militants got in through the back wall hence avoiding them completely

 

[Tipu7]

Dear what your call half truths may be THE TRUTH for some, they will say all rest is conspiracy.
As for the questions being asked, this is what the call whistle blowers.

As i stated in the beginning, i do feel that there should be a complete inquire into the incident and results made public. However, that will be no guarantee that such questions wont be asked again, there will be people who will come up with same questions again, media will still add fuel to the fire, this is how things work, sadly. Still, that is no excuse and i do feel that an inquiry is required and results should be made public. If anyone have any more filthy ideas after that, we will leave it to them

For the red building incident that they called masjid, i am all in for that. The way those mentally ill terrorists are acting again these days, i hope government wont again leave it to the last moment, this evil should be nipped in bud right now.

For ISI Flase Flag, this is not USA!!!
In US, the government FEAR the citizens, the citizens have some actual say in the government policies so they MAY need to plot such moves to gain support of citizens, that is not the case here. Do our government care about public opinions when the loot us in billions? a thing that absolutely 100% of general public wont approve. Do the care how they treat the image of our country in the world? a thing that absolutely 100% general public will be concerned with? they don't!! So WHY would they kill there own kids for approval of some operation that even in worst case scenario had the approval of more then 50% of general public. Majority of our population, even before that attack was of the view that these culprits should be dealt with once and for all so there was no need to killing there own kids (remember it was ARMY public school) The didnt required it in past 4 similar operations so they didn't required it now. Here our population do not have that much control over government policies (sadly) that they will need such acts to fool the public, we are already a bunch of fools i would say.
So, no matter how bad or evil we assume our army or ISI to be, the conspiracy of a false flag hold no life in it on logical evaluation as well. It is what we all call it, a conspiracy theory and nothing more.

A detailed inquiry will help clear mind of those who are genuinely concerned, so this should happen, even if it will still leave a huge lot behind who say all this just for the sake of criticism and have no other interest. Nothing can be done about them other them leaving them alone.

Plz do note that what ever I am asking are not my personal questions, but those which I failed to answer with logical reasoning when various people asked me...... I agree that it's not false flag or an event in which our forces let that incident happen etc etc..... just as you said, there is need of commission who investigate this incident and bring those to justice too who were neglectful about their duties. Also it will compile and answer all those questions which can create fitna and trouble in late stages. People are stupid, they began to believe that unanswered questions must be true and they derive answerers according to their own understanding and create troubles...... we have to tackle it properly since many media groups will use this incident to get ratings and of course they will manipulate parents emotions and draw "specific" facts from them.....which will bring us nothing but trouble

The Major your talking about took some kids with him out too

Just a noob theory of yours ......

Guards are posted on the front gates of the schools

You don't have armed guards roaming the corridors within the school or posted outside auditoriums

The militants got in through the back wall hence avoiding them completely

All guard were posted on front gate? 10 on front gate, 2 to protect rare?
When attack took place, entire school heard the gunfire. Using your theory, were those guards deaf? Or playing candy crush with head phones? It's lame logic, and lame excuse..... when first shot was fired, it was their responsibility to respond by splitting up in two teams just in order to avoid being deceived by diversion.......but it didn't happen.... why...? This is what I am asking....

 

[Arsalan]

Plz do note that what ever I am asking are not my personal questions, but those which I failed to answer with logical reasoning when various people asked me...... I agree that it's not false flag or an event in which our forces let that incident happen etc etc..... just as you said, there is need of commission who investigate this incident and bring those to justice too who were neglectful about their duties. Also it will compile and answer all those questions which can create fitna and trouble in late stages. People are stupid, they began to believe that unanswered questions must be true and they derive answerers according to their own understanding and create troubles...... we have to tackle it properly since many media groups will use this incident to get ratings and of course they will manipulate parents emotions and draw "specific" facts from them.....which will bring us nothing but trouble

O sorry please note that it is not you that i am blaming of being the one who is criticizing for the sake of it, i am just telling you that there are people like that. I hope you know this by yourself. There are two kinds of people asking questions, one those are actually worried and a proper answer to the questions will satisfy them. Other who are whistle blowers, no matter how in depth an inquire is, how transparent the findings are, they will keep coming back with similar questions over and over again because this is what they do, this is there agenda.

So yes, an independent inquiry will satisfy the few people who are genuinely concerned and not so sure about the incident, this should happen. It is there right and the duty of the government. However it will still leave a huge lot of conspiracy theory guys and the whistle blowers who will keep coming at you and the institutions with same questions, it wont matter if you answer them or not. There agenda is to keep asking these questions so other peoples are influenced by this and start asking the same things. Any inquiry wont satisfy them because answers are not what they seek. You must be aware of such people, you cannot help them,.

 

[Winchester]

All guard were posted on front gate? 10 on front gate, 2 to protect rare?
When attack took place, entire school heard the gunfire. Using your theory, were those guards deaf? Or playing candy crush with head phones? It's lame logic, and lame excuse..... when first shot was fired, it was their responsibility to respond by splitting up in two teams just in order to avoid being deceived by diversion.......but it didn't happen.... why...? This is what I am asking....

Those 2 would be with the major

Don't know about the exact number of guards who were at the school

Don't think there would be that many and definitely not armed with automatic weapons to respond