Contingency

[maverick1977]

You really think Pakistani's need Training ? these Tribal Lashkers are as battle hardened as Indian BSF ..if not more

There is more to it. there are options for transporations to front lines, medical and first aid roles, running the city and protection of civil society along with fighting.

 

[Armchair]

You guys are always thinking defensively.
Always the Tipu Sultan willing to die for a defensive war.
Never the Khalid ripping through the enemy.

When will we get a psyche to win?

@Signalian and myself have discussed at length a plan to basically dismember India. Some Indians found it and thought it was an actual plan of the PA.

Defeat mindset on both sides it seems.

Here is how to win:
1. Large conscript army doubling the size of the army. The conscripts can be volunteers for all we are.
2. Industrialization of military production, with large scale and rapid production of weapons. Not 50 complex Al Khalid tanks per year but 200 simpler tanks per month.
3. A set of blitzkrieg tactics designed to surprise, breech and cut off Indian formations and taking giant chunks of land.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

If we had a national program of military service like Turkey we would have had the ability to mobilise these citizens against India. Such a program would have helped in giving rise to a disciplined and adequately educated populace/labor force. This would have also helped to erode the various types of tribal/provincial/lingual prejudices at the national level.

There is more to it. there are options for transporations to front lines, medical and first aid roles, running the city and protection of civil society along with fighting.

So basically copy Wehrmacht?? Exactly what Modi and his chipmunk in Indian MoD and military are doing?

You guys are always thinking defensively.
Always the Tipu Sultan willing to die for a defensive war.
Never the Khalid ripping through the enemy.

When will we get a psyche to win?

@Signalian and myself have discussed at length a plan to basically dismember India. Some Indians found it and thought it was an actual plan of the PA.

Defeat mindset on both sides it seems.

Here is how to win:
1. Large conscript army doubling the size of the army. The conscripts can be volunteers for all we are.
2. Industrialization of military production, with large scale and rapid production of weapons. Not 50 complex Al Khalid tanks per year but 200 simpler tanks per month.
3. A set of blitzkrieg tactics designed to surprise, breech and cut off Indian formations and taking giant chunks of land.

@Armchair you're right Pakistan is too defensive.

 

[StormBreaker]

You guys are always thinking defensively.
Always the Tipu Sultan willing to die for a defensive war.
Never the Khalid ripping through the enemy.

When will we get a psyche to win?

@Signalian and myself have discussed at length a plan to basically dismember India. Some Indians found it and thought it was an actual plan of the PA.

Defeat mindset on both sides it seems.

Here is how to win:
1. Large conscript army doubling the size of the army. The conscripts can be volunteers for all we are.
2. Industrialization of military production, with large scale and rapid production of weapons. Not 50 complex Al Khalid tanks per year but 200 simpler tanks per month.
3. A set of blitzkrieg tactics designed to surprise, breech and cut off Indian formations and taking giant chunks of land.

Did you guys plan this our during 1980 ?
Coz this is 2020 and both countries have nukes.

The above plan is nice, i like the concept of using numbers with very aggressive offense 10:1.

However, such a plan will directly involve nukes.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Count me and several hundred thousand overseas Pakistanis in. Want some gangu hindu blood after all they have done to the muslims.

for so long Muslims have been docile , have no victory against a non Muslim country, all we been doing is fighting each other and dying .. If India starts a war they will get a fully charged Fanatic Muslim awaam with backing of worlds 6th largest army .

I wouldn't count too much on first two especially China and Rich GCC arabs.
Turkey yes no matter in what capacity.
Qatar maybe.
Rest we will have to fight by ourselves like Afghan Taliban.
Ideally our diplomatic-military posture should not be count much on foreign aid/international intervention. Especially in recent times when UN has lost it's value and reduced to a speech club.

Help is a sense of Free Oil or on deferred payments , Plus some Intel as well .

 

[StormBreaker]

Count me and several hundred thousand overseas Pakistanis in. Want some gangu hindu blood after all they have done to the muslims.

It seems in this time of human history. War/struggle/G-Had is soon going to become destiny of muslims. I don't think persecution/concentration camps will just stop in India, Burma, China etc. I think whatever model is deemed most effective against muslims will be replicated globally. But this is a topic for a different thread altogether.



I wouldn't count too much on first two especially China and Rich GCC arabs.
Turkey yes no matter in what capacity.
Qatar maybe.
Rest we will have to fight by ourselves like Afghan Taliban.
Ideally our diplomatic-military posture should not be count much on foreign aid/international intervention. Especially in recent times when UN has lost it's value and reduced to a speech club.

KSA, China and Turkey, all will help us in times of need. UAE might be a question but doesnt mean they couldn’t help us unofficially !!!

 

[El Sidd]

Is there a plan somewhere in MoD or the tri services that prepares us for the worst case scenario. If for some reason Pakistan/it's armed forces are over-run by the enemy. In this case is there a plan to establish and run a covert resistance group like the Afghan Taliban or French resistance.

In such a scenario how can patriot Pakistanis and patriot muslim ummatis join the cause against India?

How can we enter Pakistan to join the fight bcz air space is closed in wartime?

How can local and overseas Pakistanis support the fight against India through logistical and monetary means? Through soft power as well perhaps?

Afterall, Soviets were defeated through muslims all over the world uniting against atheist soviets in Afghanistan, Chechniya and Bosnia. This won't become a Syria like situation bcz Deash/ISIS was a US/Israeli creation to lure muslims into a fake "caliphate" and to their slaughter eventually. And in our case one side is Pakistan and on other side is mushrik India and it's evil allies.

YES we do have a small but well organized, experienced, lethal military. But this thread is only for discussing backup/contingency plan for Pakistani people and the armed forces. Because I have a very strong feeling that if India attacks. There will be heavy support to India from the super-powers especially US and Israel and their proxies included.

@StormBreaker @Retired Troll et al

First get these drama watching salon loving belly dancing tea drinking woman beating men to have physical fitness and then basic training in urban warfare.

Austerity measures should be taken to save rations for times of war.

but these are all mass government projects. its futile to voice this as priorities are on imf dictation

 

[Kaniska]

Lol, There is 0.00000% chance of this happening...

You are giving indians more credit than they distantly deserve.

Have you ever met one ?

Rather than worrying about us, get ready for another war in your backyard between Iran and US..Gulf nation will allign with us.You should start preparing your statergy how to handle this incident diplomatically as you guys are close friend/dependent for investment from Gulf but morally support Iran too.

 

[StormBreaker]

Rather than worrying about us, get ready for another war in your backyard between Iran and US..Gulf nation will allign with us.You should start preparing your statergy how to handle this incident diplomatically as you guys are close friend/dependent for investment from Gulf but morally support Iran too.

Ohh, wait, let me check my pocket,

Ahh, an Ababeel fell out of it, Ohh wait, where is NASR, ohh ok ok, found it as well.
*Puts Ababeel and nasr in a line, surrounded by Shaheen 1A/1/2/3, Abdali, Ghaznavi, Babur, RAAD*

*coughs*

*SLBM appears*

bro we are ready for such, and we thank you for that. You guys along with your gang, has given us enough years to counter multiple fronts such that we know how to deal with all of them together

 

[Kaniska]

Ohh, wait, let me check my pocket,

Ahh, an Ababeel fell out of it, Ohh wait, where is NASR, ohh ok ok, found it as well.
*Puts Ababeel and nasr in a line, surrounded by Shaheen 1A/1/2/3, Abdali, Ghaznavi, Babur, RAAD*

*coughs*

*SLBM appears*

bro we are ready for such, and we thank you for that. You guys along with your gang, has given us enough years to counter multiple fronts such that we know how to deal with all of them together

Are you sure? Last time i saw that your PM skipped Kualampur summit as Arabs pressurized you.

 

[StormBreaker]

Are you sure? Last time i saw that your PM skipped Kualampur summit as Arabs pressurized you.

I wonder, how mother india will handle US and Iran, both its allies in current situation !!

We managed to get by just fine, balanced between both. Awaiting your response by FM

 

[Kaniska]

I wonder, how mother india will handle US and Iran, both its allies in current situation !!

We managed to get by just fine, balanced between both. Awaiting your response by FM

We will go with US for sure.Do you think you will given a choice if you have to choose between US and Iran?

 

[StormBreaker]

We will go with US for sure.Do you think you will given a choice if you have to choose between US and Iran?

Ohh, so you will backstab iran and go for USA.

Wow, that’s the slave mentality i was expecting from you, no offense, Just because US is almighty Super power.

Did you take into account how that would affect Pak-Iran relations, Ind-Rus relations, Pak-Afg relations ?

Try and think deeply and try to understand what i am saying !!!

 

[Ghost 125]

Is there a plan somewhere in MoD or the tri services that prepares us for the worst case scenario. If for some reason Pakistan/it's armed forces are over-run by the enemy. In this case is there a plan to establish and run a covert resistance group like the Afghan Taliban or French resistance.

In such a scenario how can patriot Pakistanis and patriot muslim ummatis join the cause against India?

How can we enter Pakistan to join the fight bcz air space is closed in wartime?

How can local and overseas Pakistanis support the fight against India through logistical and monetary means? Through soft power as well perhaps?

Afterall, Soviets were defeated through muslims all over the world uniting against atheist soviets in Afghanistan, Chechniya and Bosnia. This won't become a Syria like situation bcz Deash/ISIS was a US/Israeli creation to lure muslims into a fake "caliphate" and to their slaughter eventually. And in our case one side is Pakistan and on other side is mushrik India and it's evil allies.

YES we do have a small but well organized, experienced, lethal military. But this thread is only for discussing backup/contingency plan for Pakistani people and the armed forces. Because I have a very strong feeling that if India attacks. There will be heavy support to India from the super-powers especially US and Israel and their proxies included.

@StormBreaker @Retired Troll et al

Allah tawakkal...there is no such plan

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Yeah but I'm asking what can the average overseas Pakistani or a patriotic ummati do on an individual basis?

Help is a sense of Free Oil or on deferred payments , Plus some Intel as well .

There should be a plan like this. Our leaders shouldnt just flee in their private jets and leave us to fend for ourselves.

Allah tawakkal...there is no such plan

Also guys what is the possibility of having a guerilla airforce or an air force in exile??
Two examples come to mind
US pilots in french airforce in WW1
Polish pilots formed a sqn of RAF in WW2

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