Consider total ban on beef across nation in 3 months, HP HC tells Centre

[jaunty]

This is your assumption. And a wrong one.

What is it then?

 

[raktaka]

No that was not a strawman argument. I countered your argument and then expecting you to slip away by using this new line, I countered that as well.

Killing may be permissible in any religion, but not under Indian law. Ohh but you already know that.

Stawmen is a strawmen irrespective of the justification provided. A Logical fallacy. ..... in short, a Lie.

OK. So cow protection by resorting to Taliban tactics prevents Talibanization. :facepalm:

Since you have already issued the certificate of "Taliban" ....... you can go ahead and call Modi "Hitler" and RSS as "Nazis"

Your "secular" credentials is now fully established.

I am tired of this. Your fundamental 'realities' are not realities. As I said before it is reasonable for someone to follow his religion. It is not reasonable to force others to follow the same. How is this bigotry? When I asked you to read the dictionary definition, I also expected you to use your head, my bad.

If you are tired, quit. No one is forcing you here.

My fundamental realities ARE realities for ME. However the fundamental realities of Hinduism is defined by its scriptures and translated by our Saints, Rishis and priests. ALL of who preach cow protection.

The very definition of bigotry is intolerance to others views as you are demonstrating. Now that I have provided you with the dictionary definition, you are shifting goalpost. Another Fail.

Not again. Dude you should now google the definition of hypocrisy, seriously. I challenge you to show what two stands I take make me a hypocrite.

Let me make it easy for you,

Hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense

I hope that will establish the role of morals and ethics in debate. You claim to be "liberal" yet your intolerance to Hindu value system is the Hypocrisy. Again like Koovie, you are blind to it.

I don't have to hide anything. But you are missing the important point. I don't have to reveal anything. What posts exactly are you referring to?

Not in this thread. In a religious debate it is ethical to reveal your religion, but clearly you lack morals to do the right thing. In any case it does not matter, I already know your faith.

Dude, just read my posts. I paraphrased your views as best as I could. What is this brash argument. Do you think others cannot read?

You are not required to "paraphrase" my views, there is always the HONEST option of Quoting me directly.

But I guess Honesty is not really convenient for you, is it ? Its a good thing others can read. I am betting on it.

Jahapanah, once you claim you are debating, then you should atleast stick to some logic and reasoning and 'why' is a reason.
So you decide, eh?

Like most Bigots you are under the impression that I am required to submit my Faith and Beliefs for your scrutiny and clearance.

Let me assure you that I am not. I know this might come as a hard slap, but I hope you soak up this reality to the core of your existence. That way you can avoid further Bigoted views.

The REASON is that Cow Protection is an Article of Faith. ........... now you can either accept it or reject it. It makes no difference either way.

Of course this "reason" was provided earlier too ..... but your delusions have kept you from understanding what is obvious to most.

Lol. Yeah his beef ban promise was the reason why he became PM. Tell that story to some kid.

No, his stand for beef consumption was the reason he become PM

Apples and Oranges. Rapists were already getting punished by law. So until the law seemed to fail, it was not a burning issue. Beef eaters were never punished. At least I have never seen any. But people were fine with it so far.

Weird logic ...... you will believe in the law and its need only when you personally see people punished for breaking it

Other wise you will believe that people don't want that law .... or don't want it implemented. LOL.

I can see that Logic and reason is clearly your "strength".

OK read the article. It has tricky language, credits to whoever proposed it. It says the State shall endeavour with no time limits. And it does not talk about ox meat for example.

Another Strawman. When everything else fail, spin strawmen to demolish. Its getting tiresome and it makes you look weaker.

I totally tolerate your beliefs dude. I said this like thrice today already. What I cannot accept is your enforcing your beliefs on others. You are the one who labelled me a muslim. I called you a new-born Hindu, that is an accurate description and you even take pride in the fact as per your own posts.

Irrelevant. I IDENTIFIED you as muslim, you however continue to seek anonymity to hide behind.

You are free to call me anything. It does not make an iota of difference to me.

No one is asking you to worship the cow. This is the third time I have said it, clearly you do not wish to see and hear all that is not in alignment with your prejudice.

Ok. There is a common ground. Since your religion asks you to protect the cow. You protect YOUR cow. Let the other guy do what he wants. If we take your logic seriously, Hindus in US would be suicide bombing in protest of hamburgers.

To protect MY cow I do not need religion ........ it is self preservation.

Dharma is to protect ALL cows. So in a Nation where dharam is to be protected, we cannot let the other guy do what he wants. Whatever he does has to be in line with Dharma. Most times that is in alignment with Indian Law. And in times when it is not in alignment completely like total ban of beef, its time to modify that law so that dharma is protected.

Hindus in US do protest Cow slaughter regularly. Not all fights are done with islamic suicide bombing

That is nothing great or fundamental about the reality you are proposing. You are basically threatening that there will be violence. Again liberal does not mean, you will stand by watching as people gag others and restrict their freedom. And protesting against violation of other's rights does not make one bigot.

Intolerance means you are allowing people to live without hindering others rights. It does not mean tolerance for people like you for curbing other's freedoms.

Its your demonstrated intolerance for the opposite view that makes you a bigot.

I am supporting HC calls for a Beef Ban. You are the one mocking the HC directives. .......... its rather clear which one of us respects the Law.

Tomorrow if you want the right to Rape or practice paedophilia, sorry ...... you will not be allowed to do so. We will be Intolerant towards your desired "rights". Suck it up and learn to live with limited and responsible freedom.

And if you don't like it you are free to travel to Saudi Arabia or pakistan where they are more "tolerant" to such rights. Sounds like an ideal place for people who wants to practice Non Dharmic rights.

 

[Dungeness]

Ohh, You call it Discipline?we are not communist.
So switching off Electricity and Internet at night is called Discipline?Damn we should Implement the same Discipline here Shutting down Meat Abbatoirs and call it DISCIPLINE!(Here folks,Learn from Chinese how to DISCIPLINE YOUR POPULATION).We should learn from them.
You eat anything that crawls,anything!
I can freely Abuse my Prime Minister,President.While you cannot,IF you do that you will be put in Jail.Heck, you are scared even to say that online.What a joke you are.
DOGS,CATS,Insects, worms. last but not least HUMAN EMBRYOS ARE eaten in Your nation,Dont even get me started.
Dude, i can say that we as a country were never BE as Liberal as you when it comes to eating food. But we are not you.While you can eat what you want, you cant exercise the same right as saying what you want.Thanks, but dont try to jump into matters of Religion and Sensitivity when you have no idea about it.

Are yo a member of RSS? It seems you are a very angry person, with a lot of "pride", a lot of intolerance, and a lot of hatred. I sincerely hope you are in the minority of Hindus, otherwise, India is not going anywhere in the future.

 

[raktaka]

Are yo a member of RSS? It seems you are a very angry person, with a lot of "pride", a lot of intolerance, and a lot of hatred. I sincerely hope you are in the minority of Hindus, otherwise, India is not going anywhere in the future.

IF he is angry, I am sure he has his reasons.

Kindly spare us the sermons from the CPC red book. India and Indians will decide on our path, forward, backward.

 

[Dungeness]

IF he is angry, I am sure he has his reasons.

Kindly spare us the sermons from the CPC red book. India and Indians will decide on our path, forward, backward.

You have a point, but this is an international forum.

 

[raktaka]

You have a point, but this is an international forum.

Yes it is. So picking on a particular Indian poster and sermonising to him is inappropriate.

If you have a point to make, say it and keep the peace.

 

[Dungeness]

Yes it is. So picking on a particular Indian poster and sermonising to him is inappropriate.

If you have a point to make, say it and keep the peace.

Nay, I have not interested talking to rude religious fanatics.

 

[raktaka]

Nay, I have not interested talking to rude religious fanatics.

Make up your mind. Either you want to do it, or you don't. Practice what you preach.

 

[rubyjackass]

Stawmen is a strawmen irrespective of the justification provided. A Logical fallacy. ..... in short, a Lie.

I have countered your argument too. That is not strawman. Answer the counters. If you think I mistakenly assumed something, say so.

Since you have already issued the certificate of "Taliban" ....... you can go ahead and call Modi "Hitler" and RSS as "Nazis"

Where are you dragging the conversation. You love to drag Modi into everything. You want to impose your religious beliefs on others even at the threat of violence. Taliban called and they want their principles back.

My fundamental realities ARE realities for ME. However the fundamental realities of Hinduism is defined by its scriptures and translated by our Saints, Rishis and priests. ALL of who preach cow protection.

The very definition of bigotry is intolerance to others views as you are demonstrating. Now that I have provided you with the dictionary definition, you are shifting goalpost. Another Fail.

Let me make it easy for you,

Hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense

I hope that will establish the role of morals and ethics in debate. You claim to be "liberal" yet your intolerance to Hindu value system is the Hypocrisy. Again like Koovie, you are blind to it.

WTF. I said I tolerate you believing that you are supposed to treat cow with respect. All I am asking from you is respect the rights of others who are indifferent to such a rule. Irrespective of my choice of words(you seem to be hurt because I, as a normal habit, use spiky words), this makes a perfectly logical and morally consistent stand. What you are making may also be logically consistent except that you are expecting others to be consistent with your religion. That is imposing limitations on other's food choices.

Not in this thread. In a religious debate it is ethical to reveal your religion, but clearly you lack morals to do the right thing. In any case it does not matter, I already know your faith.

Please, you throw away words like moral and ethical very lightly. Morality and Ethics need not come from religion. As much as you want confirmation for my faith. I am not revealing it. And that does not make be immoral.

I have a point. Counter it.

You are not required to "paraphrase" my views, there is always the HONEST option of Quoting me directly.

But I guess Honesty is not really convenient for you, is it ? Its a good thing others can read. I am betting on it.

It is a boring activity to read back someone's quotes and copy them one by one. That is why we paraphrase.

Like most Bigots you are under the impression that I am required to submit my Faith and Beliefs for your scrutiny and clearance.

Not at all bhai. You do not have to submit your faith to scrutiny at all, if it affects only you. But YOU are the one who is asking others to submit to your religion's scrutiny of food and life. That is unacceptable.

Your beliefs are already being acted against world over and you can do nothing about it. I mention this only to highlight the impracticality of imposing bar on things because Hinduism says no to them or worse as you claim(paraphrase again) 'asks it followers to protect cow'. Please apply the same pinch of practicality in letting others eat what they want. You have sentiments I understand. That is why we have laws in most states banning public slaughter, so that someone like you does not get offended seeing an animal get slaughtered. If you want your time in life to be wasted in impractical matters such as ensuring noone else eats beef, I suggest to instead reading a book which is more fruitful.

And Hinduism already submitted itself for scrutiny and the scrutiny only helped. Sati and child marriages got abolished for example. Both are allowed under religious law. Caste discrimination was allowed. It is because of liberal Hindus and to some extent even the Hindu common law which made today's Hinduism a reformist religion that it is today. Otherwise Hindu fanatics would be killing Hindus who marry their cousins(Fairly common in South India. Hindu marriage law expressly forbids such marriages. It is because of exceptions allowed that this practice is valid).

So please don't drag the reform of a religion off its tracks. You are doing a disservice to it. It not only brings bad image to the religion to outsiders, but causes pain to your co-religionists too. That is why so many Hindus are also protesting beef ban.

Let me assure you that I am not. I know this might come as a hard slap, but I hope you soak up this reality to the core of your existence. That way you can avoid further Bigoted views.

:Facepalm:
You did decide that I am a muslim. Take your hard slap on your face. Your lie will be nailed and mailed to you if anyone sees your quote below calling me a muslim.

The REASON is that Cow Protection is an Article of Faith. ........... now you can either accept it or reject it. It makes no difference either way.
Of course this "reason" was provided earlier too ..... but your delusions have kept you from understanding what is obvious to most.

First of all, Cow protection is NOT an article of Hindu faith. But before that diverts you to whole new argument, let me stop and say, it is irrelevant to the topic.

Which is that you cannot dictate what other's eat. You are free to make YOUR choice of food.

No, his stand for beef consumption was the reason he become PM

Good to know why Modi got your vote.

Weird logic ...... you will believe in the law and its need only when you personally see people punished for breaking it

Other wise you will believe that people don't want that law .... or don't want it implemented. LOL.

I can see that Logic and reason is clearly your "strength".

That is not what I meant. Rapes and no law enforcement against leads to outrage among people(we saw aoutrage even with fairly effective law in the matter). Beef and no law enforcement against it did not lead to so much outrage in the last 68 years in this country. No people's outrage => they are indifferent to the ban => no need of ban. That is my logic.

Now show your logic for enforcing ban except crowing that majority wants a ban, without showing any proof whatsoever.

Another Strawman. When everything else fail, spin strawmen to demolish. Its getting tiresome and it makes you look weaker.

Ohh for God's sake, you are the one who said Constitution banned cow slaughter. I just explained you(with references to Constitution) how beef ban is not enforceable today, except by making a law. If it were enforceable automatically by virtue of the article in constitution, do you think BJP or some Hindu organization would have left it for decades without fighting in the court for a ban?

Irrelevant. I IDENTIFIED you as muslim, you however continue to seek anonymity to hide behind.
You are free to call me anything. It does not make an iota of difference to me.

No one is asking you to worship the cow. This is the third time I have said it, clearly you do not wish to see and hear all that is not in alignment with your prejudice.
To protect MY cow I do not need religion ........ it is self preservation.

Dharma is to protect ALL cows. So in a Nation where dharam is to be protected, we cannot let the other guy do what he wants. Whatever he does has to be in line with Dharma. Most times that is in alignment with Indian Law. And in times when it is not in alignment completely like total ban of beef, its time to modify that law so that dharma is protected.

Finally some middle ground again. Wait until you modify the law. That way your claims of majority support for ban will also be tested. Indian Law is not held to standard by any religious law.

Hindus in US do protest Cow slaughter regularly. Not all fights are done with islamic suicide bombing
Its your demonstrated intolerance for the opposite view that makes you a bigot.

I am supporting HC calls for a Beef Ban. You are the one mocking the HC directives. .......... its rather clear which one of us respects the Law.

Mocking a judgement is not disrespecting law. It is fair criticism.

Tomorrow if you want the right to Rape or practice paedophilia, sorry ...... you will not be allowed to do so. We will be Intolerant towards your desired "rights". Suck it up and learn to live with limited and responsible freedom.

And if you don't like it you are free to travel to Saudi Arabia or pakistan where they are more "tolerant" to such rights. Sounds like an ideal place for people who wants to practice Non Dharmic rights.

Wonderful leap of logic. I just said rights are valid as long as you don't violates others rights. And you saw rape and paedophilia as meeting this definition?

OK. Before asking anyone to get out of this country, why wouldn't you consider that as an alternative to run off to some island. You will have few people around and it is easy to impose your beliefs on them. I am just suggesting a practical alternative.

Are yo a member of RSS? It seems you are a very angry person, with a lot of "pride", a lot of intolerance, and a lot of hatred. I sincerely hope you are in the minority of Hindus, otherwise, India is not going anywhere in the future.

They are in a minority. They just have this false feeling of numerical superiority. Especially after this current government came to power. Now these guys may be acting all bombastic saying this government got elected for Hindutva agenda. But it you see Modi's speeches during election campaigns, they have very little, if any at all of Hindutva. He won on a development plank showing his home state's development as model.

1)We are bound by religion to stop cow Slaughter,

You are not. Except Kshatriya others do not have authority to punish any person. So it is not your duty to stop cow slaughter. But that is a different discussion.

1)They agreed for our rules during Partition it was specific,"Those Muslims who couldn't live with Hindus and those who can" Why again backtrack on Promises made?Dr.B.R.Ambedkar was of the view that full Partition should happen.
We said that Cow is a revered in Hindus,You want to Kill and eat it?There are going to be Consequnces.You won't become Non-Muslim by not eating Beef.
Islam is from Middle East when it started,they didn't have Cows only Camels.What was the reason for Muslims to Kill Cows and eat them other than to spite and Insult the Hindus who revere them?

That was not the premise of partition. That was what Hindu radical organizations wanted to be the premise. But it was not. I don't know why people eat beef. But they do and most do not do it on purpose to spite Hindus. You ask proof? Otherwise so many Hindus wouldn't be eating beef.

You are welcome to bring consequences through law. But if you are threatening violence, find another to bark at. This is 2015 India.

2)Not Majority? If that is what rocks your boat, Then i am fine,But don't cry Rivers of Blood and accuse us when something Happens,Because we are NOT Majority.

If you have majority support, try to gather the rest of support required and make it a law. It is quite clear what you mean by when something Happens. Now how are you helping Hinduims is beyond me.

3)Uniform Civil Code is rejected by Mullahs and Muslims.You should ask them first instead of asking us.
Shah Bano case ?

I am not the one who suffers when there is no uniform civil code. It is muslims who will get hurt because of a lack of uniform civil code. When some mullah's daughter gets triple talaq divorce without alimony he will realise it.

I am questioning your motive behind raising the Civil code topic in a beef debate and then raising hands in the air saying you ask them. When you don't care about UCC then why bring it up?

4)You consider the Support and strength of Hindutva in Social Media as Noise? and not actual strength?Good for you! Keep living that dream,may no one wake you up from that. .
When i mean Hit back,well...... Don't cry here next time.

You should first wake up, stop making noise and trying pushing legislation. You are the one crying without doing what is necessary for your own goals. All bombast and no action. You think violence is helping your cause. Well, we will see.

 

[Dungeness]

They are in a minority. They just have this false feeling of numerical superiority. Especially after this current government came to power. Now these guys may be acting all bombastic saying this government got elected for Hindutva agenda. But it you see Modi's speeches during election campaigns, they have very little, if any at all of Hindutva. He won on a development plank showing his home state's development as model.

Thanks for your reply, and I hope your right. With frustrated masses looking for a stronger leadership to lead them to prosperity, things on the ground can swing very quickly. It seems Modi has turned to Hindutva to rally the country. We can see this trend from Modi's speech in science conference earlier this year, and from the fact that religion motivated intolerance and violence around India are on the rise. Best wishes to your country!

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Ahh.. so says the nation which lost 5 wars. You didn't even take back your own soldiers in Kargil.But you talk big, Hum yeh kardenge, woh kardenge. Good to know People have Suicidal Tendencies.

Lost 5 war lolz ... Still exist . coffin scandal .. Lolx itnay kuttay mar deye k bharat mey coffin kam parr gye .

 

[raktaka]

I have countered your argument too. That is not strawman. Answer the counters. If you think I mistakenly assumed something, say so.

Why should I correct your assumption ? its not my burden.

Where are you dragging the conversation. You love to drag Modi into everything. You want to impose your religious beliefs on others even at the threat of violence. Taliban called and they want their principles back.

When you can drag "taliban", I don't see why I can't do the same if only to demonstrate how hollow such labelling is

WTF. I said I tolerate you believing that you are supposed to treat cow with respect. All I am asking from you is respect the rights of others who are indifferent to such a rule. Irrespective of my choice of words(you seem to be hurt because I, as a normal habit, use spiky words), this makes a perfectly logical and morally consistent stand. What you are making may also be logically consistent except that you are expecting others to be consistent with your religion. That is imposing limitations on other's food choices.

That position contradicts your earlier claim for rights that do not violates others rights. Cow slaughter violates Hindu rights to establish dharma and protect dharma as a fundamental practice of his faith, as required by his faith.

As a contributing member of Hindu society, the cow earns the right to all the comforts and protection the society extends to ALL its members. This includes right to life.

You are not required to AGREE with hindu Dharma, but you are required to ensure its not violated on purpose.

In any case one is required to practice a minimum respect for all lives and Environment as per the law. You can be indifferent to it as long as you practice it.

Please, you throw away words like moral and ethical very lightly. Morality and Ethics need not come from religion. As much as you want confirmation for my faith. I am not revealing it. And that does not make be immoral.

Morality and Ethics need not come from religion, but in most cases it does. This has been historically true too.

Your immoral act comes from hiding your faith while mocking Hindu faith.

I have a point. Counter it.

It is a boring activity to read back someone's quotes and copy them one by one. That is why we paraphrase.

Its also lazy and unethical.

Not at all bhai. You do not have to submit your faith to scrutiny at all, if it affects only you. But YOU are the one who is asking others to submit to your religion's scrutiny of food and life. That is unacceptable.

Ban on slaughter is not ban on food. They can eat imported beef in the privacy of their home or even in designated public places.

The ban sought is on slaughter of milch animals.

Your beliefs are already being acted against world over and you can do nothing about it. I mention this only to highlight the impracticality of imposing bar on things because Hinduism says no to them or worse as you claim(paraphrase again) 'asks it followers to protect cow'. Please apply the same pinch of practicality in letting others eat what they want. You have sentiments I understand. That is why we have laws in most states banning public slaughter, so that someone like you does not get offended seeing an animal get slaughtered. If you want your time in life to be wasted in impractical matters such as ensuring noone else eats beef, I suggest to instead reading a book which is more fruitful.

Other nations are free to practice their belief, they are not required to practice my beliefs.

Again the pitch is not about eating but about SLAUGHTER. Your defence of "eating beef" is a strawman.

It has nothing to do with my sentiments, but everything to do with my practice of my faith.

And Hinduism already submitted itself for scrutiny and the scrutiny only helped. Sati and child marriages got abolished for example. Both are allowed under religious law. Caste discrimination was allowed. It is because of liberal Hindus and to some extent even the Hindu common law which made today's Hinduism a reformist religion that it is today. Otherwise Hindu fanatics would be killing Hindus who marry their cousins(Fairly common in South India. Hindu marriage law expressly forbids such marriages. It is because of exceptions allowed that this practice is valid).

Rubbish. Hinduims and Hindus were subjugated by the British christians and any scrutiny was forced upon us. It is absurd to demand and claim the same in Free India

Hindus along have the right to scrutinise our religion and change and evolve as we have done for thousands of years.

Sati is no different from Jain santhara. Hinduism does not force it on anyone, any more than santhara is forced on anyone.

same holds true for "child marriage". The age of marriage is mentioned in the "smriti" which changes with passing age and is a living document like the constitution of India. In age of social insecurity and invasion, the age of marriage is lowered, in times of social stability the age is increased. This happens because the religion allows for it.

Caste discrimination is again the result of invasion. The religion itself do not promote it. Caste is determined by choice, not birth as per Hinduism.

Its is pure Rubbish and propaganda to say Hinduism do not have the scope to reform from within, that all reform comes from outside.

Your drivel about Hindus killing mercilessly just demonstrates your hate for Hindus. Killings to prevent Incest happens all over the world. Hindus have different custom and traditions in different parts of India and all laws for marriage is determined by Smriti not Shruti.

Your ignorance of the same is a commentary on you, not on Hinduism.

So please don't drag the reform of a religion off its tracks. You are doing a disservice to it. It not only brings bad image to the religion to outsiders, but causes pain to your co-religionists too. That is why so many Hindus are also protesting beef ban.:Facepalm:

No I am not. If your kind had their way, we should be wishing for British Christian supremacy over us so that we can "reform" some more

I am least bothered about the impression I make on Bigots, those who are open minded know of the wonders of Hinduism. From US/Europe to China.

My co-religionist can suck up the pain the same way hindus suck up the pain of living with Adharmis in the same nation.

You did decide that I am a muslim. Take your hard slap on your face. Your lie will be nailed and mailed to you if anyone sees your quote below calling me a muslim.

Yes I did with good reasons.

First of all, Cow protection is NOT an article of Hindu faith. But before that diverts you to whole new argument, let me stop and say, it is irrelevant to the topic.

LOL. Now you will decide what is an article of faith for Hindus ? ....... and it is very much CENTRAL to the topic.

Which is that you cannot dictate what other's eat. You are free to make YOUR choice of food.

Good to know why Modi got your vote.

Learn to make the distinction between Cow Slaughter and eating Beef. Your strawmen won't work here.

That is not what I meant. Rapes and no law enforcement against leads to outrage among people(we saw aoutrage even with fairly effective law in the matter). Beef and no law enforcement against it did not lead to so much outrage in the last 68 years in this country. No people's outrage => they are indifferent to the ban => no need of ban. That is my logic.

Now show your logic for enforcing ban except crowing that majority wants a ban, without showing any proof whatsoever.

The proof of the outrage is the election of BJP and Modi and Hinduta to Power

If you refuse to see the truth, I cannot help it. Not to mention the historic evidence of the Constitution of India saying it unambiguously.

Ohh for God's sake, you are the one who said Constitution banned cow slaughter. I just explained you(with references to Constitution) how beef ban is not enforceable today, except by making a law. If it were enforceable automatically by virtue of the article in constitution, do you think BJP or some Hindu organization would have left it for decades without fighting in the court for a ban?

LOL...it was ME who told you the constitution directed us to ban cow slaughter. To make laws that ensure it.

There is nothing to fight, it is already implemented. The new directive is to be ban it all over India include Kerala and N.E.

Finally some middle ground again. Wait until you modify the law. That way your claims of majority support for ban will also be tested. Indian Law is not held to standard by any religious law.

Rubbish, India law is very much guided by Hindu religious law and Muslim religious law.

Mocking a judgement is not disrespecting law. It is fair criticism.

Wonderful leap of logic. I just said rights are valid as long as you don't violates others rights. And you saw rape and paedophilia as meeting this definition?

OK. Before asking anyone to get out of this country, why wouldn't you consider that as an alternative to run off to some island. You will have few people around and it is easy to impose your beliefs on them. I am just suggesting a practical alternative.

Issuing certificates and labels is not fair criticism ...... its an desperate attempt to slander. You know its true, only you are not honest enough to admit it.

Cow slaughter violates the rights of hindus to protect the cows as demanded by his faith.

Consider there is an Hindutva govt. at the center with an absolute majority, who had published protection of cattle” and ban on cow slaughter in their election Manifesto. I think you should consider your own advice

You are not. Except Kshatriya others do not have authority to punish any person. So it is not your duty to stop cow slaughter. But that is a different discussion.

LOL Rubbish. Parashu ram was not a Kshatriya. Everybody has a duty to dharama. Not just the kshatriya.

That was not the premise of partition. That was what Hindu radical organizations wanted to be the premise. But it was not. I don't know why people eat beef. But they do and most do not do it on purpose to spite Hindus. You ask proof? Otherwise so many Hindus wouldn't be eating beef.

Irrelevant. Why they do, do not matter. What they do matter. Your foolish opinions are not proof

You are welcome to bring consequences through law. But if you are threatening violence, find another to bark at. This is 2015 India.

Which is what the directive is for. But in 2015 few men were lynched so your point is moot.

If you have majority support, try to gather the rest of support required and make it a law. It is quite clear what you mean by when something Happens. Now how are you helping Hinduims is beyond me.

Which is fine, You are not required to agree with me.

I am not the one who suffers when there is no uniform civil code. It is muslims who will get hurt because of a lack of uniform civil code. When some mullah's daughter gets triple talaq divorce without alimony he will realise it.

I am questioning your motive behind raising the Civil code topic in a beef debate and then raising hands in the air saying you ask them. When you don't care about UCC then why bring it up?

I did not raise UCC ........ someone else did. I just replied to him ........ funny how your prejudice blinds you to most facts.

You should first wake up, stop making noise and trying pushing legislation. You are the one crying without doing what is necessary for your own goals. All bombast and no action. You think violence is helping your cause. Well, we will see.

Don't worry about me and certainly don't bother giving unsolicited advice. ....... its as worthless as the certificates and labels you issue.

 

[rubyjackass]

Yada yada yada.

Debate makes sense only when there is logical argument. I give up.

Thanks for your Muslim certificate.

 

[raktaka]

Yada yada yada.

Debate makes sense only when there is logical argument. I give up.

Thanks for your Muslim certificate.

Why do you keep denying your Muslim identity ?

 

[Koovie]

Absolutely not. Beef can't be a person's lifestyle. Nor can ice cream, hash, cocaine, dodo meat etc. At most it can be a very very small part of one's food habits. Which is a small part of a person's lifestyle.

What I eat is absolutely my business... dont give a sh*t about your sentimental BS :=)

Yes, why not? aren't you forced not to smoke in a Petrol station or in a Industry where there is a chance of Combustion happening? Was that not forcing others to change their lifestyles?
Same here in Country of 1 Billion Hindus it is advised not to slaughter cows and gloat over it.Because that would lead to Combustion and eventually Some would play the burnt Victim card, I don't need to say who will play the victim.You know it.

Hahaha try harder... Let me enjoy my beef now