Consider total ban on beef across nation in 3 months, HP HC tells Centre

[Bombermanx1]

Again history tells us that majority is not decisively for a beef ban. Even some of those who want beef ban want it as a means to secure peace but not on principle. You first have to prove that all Hindus or at least that a majority of India want beef ban.

The Directive Principles are not legally enforceable. There are SC judgements confirming that.

Live and let live. Freedom of life. I don't eat beef. That does not mean somebody should be prevented from eating beef.


I think the reverse is happening now. You are trying to thrust your food habits on people who eat beef. People who eat beef are not forcing you to eat it. Could you please understand this logic.

When the Constitution founders enshrined it in directive principles to Ban Cow Slaughter, how much more clarification do you need?

1)If the Directive Principles are not legally Enforceable as SC Judgement say,Then all SC Judgement are not Enforceable in a 80% Hindu Country isn't it.SC is just a body, it can't be Omnipresent,Omnipotent everywhere.Pragmatism says, You follow the rules of the Majority when you are in a Minority.If 25% could break this nation apart in 1947,What makes you think we cannot bring down the Whole Supreme Court and tear the Constitution apart and write a new one?Don't blame when that happens!

2)Live and Let Live.We gave them that option during Partition,those who stayed agreed to living with Hindus and respecting their beliefs and customs.If they want to revert back again, there will be a huge backlash and ultimately,Majority will trump Minority when tempers flare.
Who is stopping you from eating Pork or other meat?Could you please be sensitive to our Beliefs and Religion? All we ask is forget Beef and eat other meat.It is the responsibility of Hindus to protect Cows and that is our religious sentiment.

Sure, why not? You guys act like “fascists", much worse than Chinese brand of Communism.

Either in China or in America, nobody dare to tell me what I can eat what I can't eat, let alone passing a law to ban certain food majority population don't like to eat. Do you have the concept of "Separation of church and state"?

So did you leave Behind China/Mao/Communism or are you in love with Democracy now?
America and China are a different thing.China cuts Electricity(sometimes) and Internet(daily) after 11 in night in Universities to make Students sleep on time and wake up early..This is just an example of the numerous things which China Indoctrinates its people to follow everyday.Are you kidding me? Chinese do what the CCP tells them to do.Don't fool yourself into comparing it with Democracy.

 

[Mitro]

No Indian Muslim is chilling and having a good show let them fight we don't mind without cow, God as provident so many option .
Let them make mockery of them shelves and their ideology it's not economical viable for long run where people go hungry and sleep with out shelter and precious is cow Mata them humans.

This is simply a group of people imposing their views on others. Muslims will be the ultimate victims.

 

[Bombermanx1]

No Indian Muslim is chilling and having a good show let them fight we don't mind without cow, God as provident so many option .
Let them make mockery of them shelves and their ideology it's not economical viable for long run where people go hungry and sleep with out shelter and precious is cow Mata them humans.

Good that you accept that you have other options of meat,That is what we want.Whether it is economically viable or not leave it to us.We only ask you respect our Beliefs and Religious Sentiments.

 

[rubyjackass]

When the Constitution founders enshrined it in directive principles to Ban Cow Slaughter, how much more clarification do you need?

OK. Please calm down. You are under the impression that I am a muslim and hence this rage. A tyrannical majority cannot impose its views on a minority. That is why the Constitution cannot be amended with a simple majority.

It was a part of the Directive Principles, so it was there because some people wanted it back then. What I am saying is that as a progressive country, in this modern times, Hinduism being benefitted by modernity now, we should do away with the ban.

Let us look at the particular Directive Principle as such. Since our constitution clearly says there shall be no discimination based on religion, the ban principle got there based on a secular reason, which you can find in the article. The ban was supposed to be endeavoured on the basis that we should protect agriculture and animal husbandry. Ban on cow slaughter was deemed necessary towards that end. Today after white revolution, it is no longer valid. So the directive principle was not there because of Hinduism. To be more exact, it was there to appease Hindus but not because the Constitution recognises Hinduism as a religious source of guidance. The reason was expressly stated and it is not applicable today. I support legislative action to remove this from directive principles. But that should come slowly with people's approval.

Meanwhile the status quo can stay if the government cannot change it towards no ban. But at least the present freedom on beef should not be curbed.

1)If the Directive Principles are not legally Enforceable as SC Judgement say,Then all SC Judgement are not Enforceable in a 80% Hindu Country isn't it.SC is just a body, it can't be Omnipresent,Omnipotent everywhere.Pragmatism says, You follow the rules of the Majority when you are in a Minority.If 25% could break this nation apart in 1947,What makes you think we cannot bring down the Whole Supreme Court and tear the Constitution apart and write a new one?Don't blame when that happens!

First of all you are somehow believing that the 80% Hindus as block support your idea. That is not true as you can see from the views on this thread itself. The law enforcement in India is not so strong, you are right. That is why people are able to get away chopping some guys hand or smearing black paint on someone's face.

As we move towards better law and order, law will be omnipresent. Please get out of this majority attitude. You are not in majority in India. Hindus are but not people with your ideas. I use history as basis for this statement. You are yet to show me any proof that this religious brinkmanship has overwhelming approval in India, at least among Hindus. And not Hindus did not write the constitution. We Indians wrote it for ourselves. If you don't follow the rules, then we are risking a lot, including India.

2)Live and Let Live.We gave them that option during Partition,those who stayed agreed to living with Hindus and respecting their beliefs and customs.If they want to revert back again, there will be a huge backlash and ultimately,Majority will trump Minority when tempers flare.
Who is stopping you from eating Pork or other meat?Could you please be sensitive to our Beliefs and Religion? All we ask is forget Beef and eat other meat.It is the responsibility of Hindus to protect Cows and that is our religious sentiment.

Again an illogical parallel. You are seeking to enforce your beliefs on others. And I am sensitive to your beliefs and religion. I am just against anyone controlling others' food choices.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Awesome, India can join ISIS in becoming a religious Utopian paradise. It's hilarious they bring this up, at the same time India sells more beef than any other country.

 

[jamahir]

CHINESE OCCUPATION OF TIBET

I may also recall that Mr Sudhir Ghosh, an emissary of Mahatma Gandhi at one time and a disciple of Sri Aurobindo later, met President Kennedy of the United States on March 28, 1963, and showed him as the last testament of the seer written on November 11, 1950, the following passage: "The basic significance of Mao's Tibetan adventure is to advance China's frontiers right down to India and stand poised there to strike at the right moment and with the right strategy, unless India precipitately declares herself on the side of the Communist block ... The gesture that can save is to take a firm line with China, denounce openly her nefarious intentions, stand without reservation by the United States and make every possible arrangement consonant with our self-respect to facilitate an American intervention in our favour and, what is of still greater moment, an American prevention of Mao's evil designs on India... We must burn it into our minds that the primary motive of Mao's attack on Tibet is to threaten India as soon as possible."

After being told by Mr Sudhir Ghosh who Sri Aurobindo was, President Kennedy read the words of the seer's last testament several times over and said:

"Surely there is a typing mistake here. The date must have been 1960, and not 1950. You mean to say that a man devoted to meditation and contemplation, sitting in one corner of India, said this about the intentions of Communist China as early as 1950?"

On being pointed out by Mr Ghosh that Sri Aurobindo had passed away in December 1950, Kennedy was somewhat shocked. "So there you are," said Kennedy. "One great Indian, Nehru, showed you the path of non-alignment between China and America, and another great Indian, Aurobindo, showed you another way of survival. The choice is up to the people of India."

We Knew about the Soviets and Chinese.But Nehru couldn't align with West because he was blackmailed by Soviets about Subash Chandra Bose.

1. who's "we" here??

2. why should indian government of nehru not have allied with the communist bloc rather than oppose it?? was it worth it in 2014 when india was declared by uno-who as "suicide capital of the world"??

3. why call mao evil when obama is the real war criminal and genocider??

 

[Bombermanx1]

OK. Please calm down. You are under the impression that I am a muslim and hence this rage. A tyrannical majority cannot impose its views on a minority. That is why the Constitution cannot be amended with a simple majority.

It was a part of the Directive Principles, so it was there because some people wanted it back then. What I am saying is that as a progressive country, in this modern times, Hinduism being benefitted by modernity now, we should do away with the ban.

Let us look at the particular Directive Principle as such. Since our constitution clearly says there shall be no discimination based on religion, the ban principle got there based on a secular reason, which you can find in the article. The ban was supposed to be endeavoured on the basis that we should protect agriculture and animal husbandry. Ban on cow slaughter was deemed necessary towards that end. Today after white revolution, it is no longer valid. So the directive principle was not there because of Hinduism. To be more exact, it was there to appease Hindus but not because the Constitution recognises Hinduism as a religious source of guidance. The reason was expressly stated and it is not applicable today. I support legislative action to remove this from directive principles. But that should come slowly with people's approval.

Meanwhile the status quo can stay if the government cannot change it towards no ban. But at least the present freedom on beef should not be curbed.

First of all you are somehow believing that the 80% Hindus as block support your idea. That is not true as you can see from the views on this thread itself. The law enforcement in India is not so strong, you are right. That is why people are able to get away chopping some guys hand or smearing black paint on someone's face.

As we move towards better law and order, law will be omnipresent. Please get out of this majority attitude. You are not in majority in India. Hindus are but not people with your ideas. I use history as basis for this statement. You are yet to show me any proof that this religious brinkmanship has overwhelming approval in India, at least among Hindus. And not Hindus did not write the constitution. We Indians wrote it for ourselves. If you don't follow the rules, then we are risking a lot, including India.


Again an illogical parallel. You are seeking to enforce your beliefs on others. And I am sensitive to your beliefs and religion. I am just against anyone controlling others' food choices.

1)I am not under rage nor would care if you are a Muslim or other.


2)We are not imposing on Minority,They agreed to the terms and our CONSTITUTION WAY back in 1947..i ask them to respect that.is that wrong?

3)PIGS were considered unclean during Islamic times, nowadays,PIGS are prepared,hygienically and according of FDA(food and Drug Administration) Standards.Then why are not Muslims eating PORK or pig?

4)The proof is the overwhelming majority we gave BJP in 2014 what more do you want, You can argue vote shares and Development Agenda and etc.I'm not going to be trifled with those statistics.

5)Rules are made by consensus of the Majority,when it comes to voting,Majority votes and that is what decides the matter.That is called Democracy.Unless you want Dictatorship,we are fine with that too..

6)If it was what people wanted it back then,why are Muslims allowed to marry 4 wives and talaq if you utter 3 times,why is it being still continued in present? I have more you want?

7)How does Cow slaughter benefit Hindus other than Mlecchas,who are out to insult our sensibilities and religion?Our Values have not changed,we might dress modern but we are still a unbroken Civilization.

8)Please, don't give me reasons,why aren't Muslims eating PIGS now? when they know how hygienically they are prepared nowadays now?Since their book said PIGS were unclean.That was 1400 years ago,In the present day,Pig meat is boiled and sterilized and eaten all over the world.Then why do Muslims still stick to not eating PIG?

9) Our Constitution Directives exclusively say and M.K.Gandhi himself said Cow slaughter should be banned,Then why still this persistence,that we Hindus should placate others?We are not Gandhi nor will we ever tolerate such Nonsense where a tiny minority wants to compel us into saying Beef is OK!

10)Do realize the Times have changed,Look at Social Media and how much Hindus are outraged and support Beef Ban, if you still feel like Nayantara Sehgal or those Elitist writers who lost their connect with ground reality,Be So.But, don't cry rivers of blood when we come and hit back,when we Hindus had enough.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING

 

[fallstuff]

Consider total ban on beef in 3 months, HP HC tells Centre
TNN | Oct 15, 2015, 02.59AM IST
Himachal Pradesh high court on Wednesday asked the Centre to consider enacting a law prohibiting slaughter of cows, their import/export and sale of beef and its products across the country within three months. The court also directed the Centre to allocate funds to the state government for providing shelter and fodder to cows and formulate special schemes for their protection.

A division bench of Justice Rajiv Sharma and Justice Sureshwar Thakur issued the directive while hearing a petition filed by Govansh Rakshan Sanverdhan Parishad, Himachal Pradesh. The court said a necessary compliance affidavit should be filed by the concerned Union secretary before the next date of hearing — January 6. "Urban local bodies will be directed to release the necessary funds for the construction of 'Gosadans' to shelter cows and stray cattle," the court added.

The court also asked all panchayats in the state through the secretary to micro-chip all cattle within six months. The process involved inserting an electronic chip having unique ID in the animal, which can be read with a scanner to identify its owner.

Court directed all the deputy commissioners in Himachal Pradesh to file their affidavits after three months giving the status reports towards compliance of the orders passed by court from time to time.

"The presence of stray animals on roads causes accidents and the animals also receive fatal injuries. Despite issuing of directions on October 7, 2014, the roads in the state of Himachal Pradesh are not free from menace of stray cattle," it added.

Consider total ban on beef in 3 months, HP HC tells Centre - The Times of India

@Echo_419 @anant_s

Achche Din

This has very little to to do with cow, more to do with politics with a hint Muslim hating.

 

[Bombermanx1]

1. who's "we" here??

2. why should indian government of nehru not have allied with the communist bloc rather than oppose it?? was it worth it in 2014 when india was declared by uno-who as "suicide capital of the world"??

3. why call mao evil when obama is the real war criminal and genocider??

1)"WE" already know it.The Nehrus and others.

2)Nehru didn't live long till 2014,if not i am sure he would have considered your opinion of why he didn't ally with Communist Bloc.
3)Mao,well here the picture shows it.

Awesome, India can join ISIS in becoming a religious Utopian paradise. It's hilarious they bring this up, at the same time India sells more beef than any other country.

Where are you buddy?
Nirmala slams Akhilesh, says beef exports already banned | india | Hindustan Times
Do read this. We don't sell.

 

[jamahir]

2)Nehru didn't live long till 2014,if not i am sure he would have considered your opinion of why he didn't ally with Communist Bloc.

yes, i am sure he would have seen sense in 2014 and regretted his following of the western bloc trail.

3)Mao,well here the picture shows it.View attachment 265037

kim il sung??

why isn't there a space in that info-graphic for the american presidents during korea war, truman and eisenhower, whose anti-human efforts led to the deaths of four million north koreans??

or perhaps anti-nato lives don't matter to the creators of such disinfo nonsense.

 

[Bombermanx1]

yes, i am sure he would have seen sense in 2014 and regretted his following of the western bloc trail.



kim il sung??

why isn't there a space in that info-graphic for the american presidents during korea war, truman and eisenhower, whose anti-human efforts led to the deaths of four million north koreans??

or perhaps non-nato lives don't matter to the creators of such disinfo nonsense.

Ahh yes, pity Nehru didn't live long enough or else he would have joined Western bloc before NAM.

Well,You got a better Info?You do realize,Communists are dead all over the world?
But like your efforts ,keep trying,because you will know and eventually you will come to our side once you realize the truth.

 

[rubyjackass]

1)I am not under rage nor would care if you are a Muslim or other.


2)We are not imposing on Minority,They agreed to the terms and our CONSTITUTION WAY back in 1947..i ask them to respect that.is that wrong?

3)PIGS were considered unclean during Islamic times, nowadays,PIGS are prepared,hygienically and according of FDA(food and Drug Administration) Standards.Then why are not Muslims eating PORK or pig?

Because they don't want to. Just like you don't want to. So YOU don't.

4)The proof is the overwhelming majority we gave BJP in 2014 what more do you want, You can argue vote shares and Development Agenda and etc.I'm not going to be trifled with those statistics.

So now you are saying BJP was elected on Hindutva agenda? I don't argue it. Modi was the one who said his was a development agenda.

5)Rules are made by consensus of the Majority,when it comes to voting,Majority votes and that is what decides the matter.That is called Democracy.Unless you want Dictatorship,we are fine with that too..

Again as I said, you are not a majority going by our past.

6)If it was what people wanted it back then,why are Muslims allowed to marry 4 wives and talaq if you utter 3 times,why is it being still continued in present? I have more you want?

First of all. Different problem. So different solution. Let's hear more from you. As regards civil marriage act, there should be a uniform civil code. Are you angry because Muslims have a special law or because they get to keep 4 wives? Btw Hindu marriage law is also special law. Again this is a common ground. Let us support uniform civil code.

7)How does Cow slaughter benefit Hindus other than Mlecchas,who are out to insult our sensibilities and religion?Our Values have not changed,we might dress modern but we are still a unbroken Civilization.

Cow slaughter does not benefit Hindus. There are also preachers in every mosque and church who keep harping that idol worship is a sin and below dignity. Are you going to be hurt by that too? You can follow you religion in our private space as conservatively as you want. You just don't have the right to dictate what other's should or should not eat. Here even majority's writ should not work. That is the basis of fundamental rights.

8)Please, don't give me reasons,why aren't Muslims eating PIGS now? when they know how hygienically they are prepared nowadays now?Since their book said PIGS were unclean.That was 1400 years ago,In the present day,Pig meat is boiled and sterilized and eaten all over the world.Then why do Muslims still stick to not eating PIG?

Because it's their choice to keep away from PIGS.

9) Our Constitution Directives exclusively say and M.K.Gandhi himself said Cow slaughter should be banned,Then why still this persistence,that we Hindus should placate others?We are not Gandhi nor will we ever tolerate such Nonsense where a tiny minority wants to compel us into saying Beef is OK!

You are not placating anybody by letting them eat beef. You are just letting them be as they want. You are free to be the way you want. Isn't that fair? Would you not want the same consideration for yourself if you are in minority?

10)Do realize the Times have changed,Look at Social Media and how much Hindus are outraged and support Beef Ban, if you still feel like Nayantara Sehgal or those Elitist writers who lost their connect with ground reality,Be So.But, don't cry rivers of blood when we come and hit back,when we Hindus had enough.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING

Again, as I said, some noise here and there does not nail it. You have to show Indians wanting a beef ban are in majority. What do you mean hit back?

kim il sung??

why isn't there a space in that info-graphic for the american presidents during korea war, truman and eisenhower, whose anti-human efforts led to the deaths of four million north koreans??

or perhaps anti-nato lives don't matter to the creators of such disinfo nonsense.

In fairness, they must have counted Korean war casualties. The pattern is this: Any headcount in Korean war, pin it to the Korean ruler. Headcount in cold-war era proxy wars go into Soviet account. USA comes out clean with no headcount.

 

[Dungeness]

So did you leave Behind China/Mao/Communism or are you in love with Democracy now?
America and China are a different thing.China cuts Electricity(sometimes) and Internet(daily) after 11 in night in Universities to make Students sleep on time and wake up early..This is just an example of the numerous things which China Indoctrinates its people to follow everyday.Are you kidding me? Chinese do what the CCP tells them to do.Don't fool yourself into comparing it with Democracy.

Ya, we call it discipline and up to each university to impose, which separates an advanced society from jungle . That is why we are where we are today. But we have the freedom to eat whatever we please, and there is single damn law to tell us what we are allowed to eat what are not allowed.

 

[Bombermanx1]

Ya, we call it discipline and up to each university to impose, which separates an advanced society from jungle . That is why we are where we are today. But we have the freedom to eat whatever we please, and there is single damn law to tell us what we are allowed to eat what are not allowed.

Ohh, You call it Discipline?we are not communist.
So switching off Electricity and Internet at night is called Discipline?Damn we should Implement the same Discipline here Shutting down Meat Abbatoirs and call it DISCIPLINE!(Here folks,Learn from Chinese how to DISCIPLINE YOUR POPULATION).We should learn from them.
You eat anything that crawls,anything!
I can freely Abuse my Prime Minister,President.While you cannot,IF you do that you will be put in Jail.Heck, you are scared even to say that online.What a joke you are.
DOGS,CATS,Insects, worms. last but not least HUMAN EMBRYOS ARE eaten in Your nation,Dont even get me started.
Dude, i can say that we as a country were never BE as Liberal as you when it comes to eating food. But we are not you.While you can eat what you want, you cant exercise the same right as saying what you want.Thanks, but dont try to jump into matters of Religion and Sensitivity when you have no idea about it.

 

[Bombermanx1]

Because they don't want to. Just like you don't want to. So YOU don't.

So now you are saying BJP was elected on Hindutva agenda? I don't argue it. Modi was the one who said his was a development agenda.

Again as I said, you are not a majority going by our past.

First of all. Different problem. So different solution. Let's hear more from you. As regards civil marriage act, there should be a uniform civil code. Are you angry because Muslims have a special law or because they get to keep 4 wives? Btw Hindu marriage law is also special law. Again this is a common ground. Let us support uniform civil code.


Cow slaughter does not benefit Hindus. There are also preachers in every mosque and church who keep harping that idol worship is a sin and below dignity. Are you going to be hurt by that too? You can follow you religion in our private space as conservatively as you want. You just don't have the right to dictate what other's should or should not eat. Here even majority's writ should not work. That is the basis of fundamental rights.


Because it's their choice to keep away from PIGS.

You are not placating anybody by letting them eat beef. You are just letting them be as they want. You are free to be the way you want. Isn't that fair? Would you not want the same consideration for yourself if you are in minority?

Again, as I said, some noise here and there does not nail it. You have to show Indians wanting a beef ban are in majority. What do you mean hit back?


In fairness, they must have counted Korean war casualties. The pattern is this: Any headcount in Korean war, pin it to the Korean ruler. Headcount in cold-war era proxy wars go into Soviet account. USA comes out clean with no headcount.

1)We are bound by religion to stop cow Slaughter,

Because they don't want to. Just like you don't want to. So YOU don't.

So now you are saying BJP was elected on Hindutva agenda? I don't argue it. Modi was the one who said his was a development agenda.

Again as I said, you are not a majority going by our past.

First of all. Different problem. So different solution. Let's hear more from you. As regards civil marriage act, there should be a uniform civil code. Are you angry because Muslims have a special law or because they get to keep 4 wives? Btw Hindu marriage law is also special law. Again this is a common ground. Let us support uniform civil code.


Cow slaughter does not benefit Hindus. There are also preachers in every mosque and church who keep harping that idol worship is a sin and below dignity. Are you going to be hurt by that too? You can follow you religion in our private space as conservatively as you want. You just don't have the right to dictate what other's should or should not eat. Here even majority's writ should not work. That is the basis of fundamental rights.


Because it's their choice to keep away from PIGS.

You are not placating anybody by letting them eat beef. You are just letting them be as they want. You are free to be the way you want. Isn't that fair? Would you not want the same consideration for yourself if you are in minority?

Again, as I said, some noise here and there does not nail it. You have to show Indians wanting a beef ban are in majority. What do you mean hit back?


In fairness, they must have counted Korean war casualties. The pattern is this: Any headcount in Korean war, pin it to the Korean ruler. Headcount in cold-war era proxy wars go into Soviet account. USA comes out clean with no headcount.

1)They agreed for our rules during Partition it was specific,"Those Muslims who couldn't live with Hindus and those who can" Why again backtrack on Promises made?Dr.B.R.Ambedkar was of the view that full Partition should happen.
We said that Cow is a revered in Hindus,You want to Kill and eat it?There are going to be Consequnces.You won't become Non-Muslim by not eating Beef.
Islam is from Middle East when it started,they didn't have Cows only Camels.What was the reason for Muslims to Kill Cows and eat them other than to spite and Insult the Hindus who revere them?


2)Not Majority? If that is what rocks your boat, Then i am fine,But don't cry Rivers of Blood and accuse us when something Happens,Because we are NOT Majority.

3)Uniform Civil Code is rejected by Mullahs and Muslims.You should ask them first instead of asking us.
Shah Bano case ?

4)You consider the Support and strength of Hindutva in Social Media as Noise? and not actual strength?Good for you! Keep living that dream,may no one wake you up from that. .
When i mean Hit back,well...... Don't cry here next time.