'Confucius on talks': A few words about the thought of Confucius

[Song Hong]

Confucianism form the basis of all religion in China. Buddhist, Islam or Christianity are all Confucianized.

For example Wahabbi are disappointed why Chinese Muslims despised them. The top cleric Hu Songshan are anti Wahabbism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Songshan

Chinese Muslims choose state over religion.

Meanwhile other Muslims such as Malay place more loyalty to Wahhabism.

This is because Chinese Muslims have been syncretized by a substrate of Confucianism.

Chinese Muslims are also less superstitious, very much secular.

Confucianism is also the panacea and antidote to radical Islam, internationalism of Islam, identity politics, feminism, racial politics...etc.

 

[PeacefulWar]

Chinese people hate it. Confucianism is the culprit that makes China weak and backward.

The culprit part is probably those twisted interpretations to serve emperors.

 

[zhxy]

Confucianism has harmed China. Confucian ideology made China weak, backward, hindering the development of capitalism. In Chinese feudal society, Confucianists were always ranked first, followed by craftsmen, farmers and eventually merchants. (sĩ, nông, công, thương).

In a Confucian society, women have no rights, they become sex toys for the rich and powerful.

 

[Song Hong]

Confucius was born in Zhou Dynasty. He advocated worship of hierarchy, while the feudal lords and aristocrats were slave owners.

This is the only pernicious part that affect Chinese negatively. In today context, Chinese place loyalty over capability. A loyal but foolish subordinate is more preferable to the capable person who are objective.

Mao tried to purge this. For Mao, loyalty is still most important, not to individual but to socialism.

Unfortunately Mao is not successful. Personal loyalty is still pervasive in East Asian culture.

The culprit part is probably those twisted interpretations to serve emperors.

 

[PeacefulWar]

In a Confucian society, women have no rights, they become sex toys for the rich and powerful.

This is not because of Confucian...
And it was unfortunately happened around the planet in ancient society.
And that's why feminists are still fighting for it across the world.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Confucianism form the basis of all religion in China. Buddhist, Islam or Christianity are all Confucianized.

For example Wahabbi are disappointed why Chinese Muslims despised them. The top cleric Hu Songshan are anti Wahabbism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Songshan

Chinese Muslims choose state over religion.

Meanwhile other Muslims such as Malay place more loyalty to Wahhabism.

This is because Chinese Muslims have been syncretized by a substrate of Confucianism.

Chinese Muslims are also less superstitious, very much secular.

Confucianism is also the panacea and antidote to radical Islam, internationalism of Islam, identity politics, feminism, racial politics...etc.

Plz focus on translating Confucius thought, lets learn from the master:

Confucius once said: “I am 15 years old, my will was at learning/studying', 30 years old I can be independent, 40 years old Im no longer doubt, 50 years old I knows Heaven's destiny, 60 years old I hear anything and find it convenient (no more arguing)

 

[Song Hong]

Much elegant in classical Chinese.
论语.为政

吾十有五而志于学，三十而立，四十而不惑，五十而知天命，六十而耳顺，七十而从心所欲不逾矩

In addition Mencius/Mengzi 孟子 is also very elegant, and moving on how to be a righteous man.

Plz focus on translating Confucius thought, lets learn from the master:

Confucius once said: “I am 15 years old, my will was at learning/studying', 30 years old I can be independent, 40 years old Im no longer doubt, 50 years old I knows Heaven's destiny, 60 years old I hear anything and find it convenient (no more arguing)

 

[Viva_Viet]

In a Confucian society, women have no rights, they become sex toys for the rich and powerful.

wrong. How many wives did your grandfather have ?? 2,3 ,4 ??

My granfather, who was follow Confucius only got 1 wife, thats my grandmom ( he would be 120 years old if he still live till now).

In Confucius, the decent, gentle men always respect women and kids.

 

[zhxy]

Confucius is a saint in feudal society. If he were born in the modern world, he would become the boss of a multi-level sales company.

ShangYang and HanFeiZi are " thousand times better than" Confucius. The moralist's thought never surpasses the whip of legalism

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Vietnam leans towards buddhism more than Confucianism, thus in spirit Vietnamese are more Indian than Chinese

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Confucius is a saint in feudal society. If he were born in the modern world, he would become the boss of a multi-level sales company.

ShangYang and HanFeiZi are " thousand times better than" Confucius. The moralist's thought never surpasses the whip of legalism

some people may confuse legalism authoritarian for a western style authoritarian Leviathan government. legalism and Leviathan are vastly different though.

in legalism, the ruler still needs to hold the mandate of heaven and must improve welfare of the people.

in Leviathan, the ruler needs no justification to rule other than power itself.

 

[cochine]

Vietnam leans towards buddhism more than Confucianism, thus in spirit Vietnamese are more Indian than Chinese

Confucius is more aggressive than Buddhism.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Confucius is more aggressive than Buddhism.

Cambodia and Laos must feel the same.

 

[vi-va]

Confucius is a saint in feudal society. If he were born in the modern world, he would become the boss of a multi-level sales company.

ShangYang and HanFeiZi are " thousand times better than" Confucius. The moralist's thought never surpasses the whip of legalism

have you ever heard of 外儒内法? Hanfeizi's philosophy is used for emperor. Confucianism is used for society.

China never was a completely Confucianism rule country. It's 外儒内法.

And by the way, Hanfeizi is not legalism. In Chinese, Hanfeizi's philosophy is called 法家. but 法 in accent times doesn't mean the same as 法(Law) today. This is very important difference.

The debate between 儒家 Confucianism and Hanfeizi's philosophy across the 2000 years of China history.

China never was a completely Confucianism rule country.

 

[Nan Yang]

Qin ShiHuang burned books and killed scholars. Because he knows Confucianism is useless

Peasants bought down the Qin dynasty when it was still very strong. Why ? And a peasant king founded the Han dynasty. Han dynasty use Confucius as the state doctrine and rule for almost 500 years. And to this day we are still called the Han people.

There has to be a balance. For that we have Daoism