Complete Q & A (Twitter) session on India’s Cold Start Doctrine with Defencepk’s in-house Experts

[war&peace]

Well we should be prepared , but I think Pakistan and India will not have full blown war any time in future.
Might be border skirmishes nothing more than that.

Full fledge war cannot be ruled out given the history and the jingoism and keenness of india to flex muscle. It is preparing for that and when it gets ready, it will make the move

 

[TOPGUN]

PAKISTAN is nothing to f__K with, we know how to defend our selves very well.

 

[Awan68]

Q. If Amerca does get involved, what will be the strategy to neutralize our nukes and what is our counter-countermeasure?

We have two sure shot countermeasures and a probable third one and it is only due to them that America chooses to use proxies against Pakistan instead of direct invasions like they did in Iraq etc.
1) They know we will nuke Israel the moment they decide to launch an invasion, to counter this the Americans need to find out the location of all our nukes to carry out a massive preemptive strike to take all of them out, even if one nuke is left, it would be enough for Israel's miniscle land mass. I hope they never discover all the locations.
2) Any direct American agression against Pakistan will drag China in immediately, not because of chasmon se meethi, himalaya se oonchi bs, but due to the fact that China has immense strategic interests in Pakistan.
3) We might've ICBM's of our own and with proven MIRV tech we can hit American cities and strategic bases in the area.
So all in all even if we go down we wont go down quietly, the resulting damage would be more than the world can afford hence no one can actually afford to take out Pakistan unless they figure out the exact location of all our nukes at the same time, which frankly is almost a near impossible task, the Americans couldnt even figure out the locations of all of Iraqi scud missles, that is after thousands of hours of sorties over iraq....

 

[rohailmalhi]

Full fledge war cannot be ruled out given the history and the jingoism and keenness of india to flex muscle. It is preparing for that and when it gets ready, it will make the move

India cannot afford full fledge war , reason being all these political parties are being funded by Corporates like Tata and they dont want war. They want business from pakistan, its a 200 Million customers market which they are missing. They will use their power to keep indian politican or army in that case from going to war.

This is the same reason they have been using proxies in Afghanistan to attack Pakistan, whether its is TTP or BLA e.t.c. Last I heard many indians were killed when US of A throw Mother of All bomb on ISIS location in Afghanistan , wonder what were indians doing with ISIS. May be negotiating atta deal through Charbbar . They will only fund these proxies.

To counter their game plan in Afghanistan , we shall give our full support to the separatist movement in India, with all the funds and training they need.

 

[war&peace]

Looks like the Pak doctrine is still the same - Inna Lillahi Ve Inna Ilahi Rajeun - Verily we belong to ALLAH and shall return to Him. Pak's mortal enemy needs to come up with a doctrine to beat it; otherwise, it's always like the "Last Afgan", or "Army of Apes", or, "Clinging on the US presidents", or "BD proxy traitor scum's bad mouthing Pak", etc....

And that's the core they can't do anything though libturds would like us to believe otherwise and play their vicious role but people of Pakistan don't given them a shyt. They sit on TV programs or post anonymously online forum but can't face the public... stinky cowards.

 

[Khafee]

Why Nasr comes in multiple launcher when it's sole purpose is to nuke small area and it's range is also small?

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[war&peace]

India cannot afford full fledge war , reason being all these political parties are being funded by Corporates like Tata and they dont want war. They want business from pakistan, its a 200 Million customers market which they are missing. They will use their power to keep indian politican or army in that case from going to war.

This is the same reason they have been using proxies in Afghanistan to attack Pakistan, whether its is TTP or BLA e.t.c. Last I heard many indians were killed when US of A throw Mother of All bomb on ISIS location in Afghanistan , wonder what were indians doing with ISIS. May be negotiating atta deal through Charbbar . They will only fund these proxies.

To counter their game plan in Afghanistan , we shall give our full support to the separatist movement in India, with all the funds and training they need.

Your hypothesis is totally flawed and misleading and I don't know if you are doing is purposely or you are genuinely ignorant as your hypothesis does not hold either in purview of the history or the current realities. They have a population of 1200 million people which is 6 times larger than Pakistan's 200 million so that logic does not make much sense.

They have fought wars in the past (48, 65, 71), they have occupied and invaded into Siachin, they are still occupying Jammu & Kashmir so the core issues not only exist rather getting severe (water and Kashmir issues) and additional issues (CPEC, Gwader port, Afghanistan etc) have been added to the list. Even more worrisome is the ascension of hindu terrorists who hate Islam and Muslims in addition to their existing hatred for Pakistan. Thus if anyone saying that india won't go with the war with Pakistan (when the former thinks it is ready) is either a goof or doing it some agenda. But we are ready for all eventualities and we won't sit idle.

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

Why Nasr comes in multiple launcher when it's sole purpose is to nuke small area and it's range is also small?

Probably only one amongst the multiple will have the Nuke, the rest will be decoys to defeat battle field range air defence systems like the Pantsir etc., Which nowadays accompany armour formations. India has the Russian Kub and Strela as well as the local Akash air defence missiles that can provide protection to armour convoys.

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[rohailmalhi]

I think we can have discussion like gentlemen instead of calling names and stuff.....

Let agree to disagree , that you have your idea and I have my idea and we both enjoy the freedom of expressing those ideas .

They have a population of 1200 million people which is 6 times larger than Pakistan's 200 million so that logic does not make much sense.

By that logic , why is companies like Tata , Mital Steel are expanding their global reach to Europe , America e.t.c
They already have market of 1200 Million no ?

They are the one who have given us the status of " Most Favourable Nation " if you can recall that, beacuse they want to have trade with Pakistan. Plus a war with Pakistan threatens their billions and billions Dollar investment in India as simple as that.

hey have fought wars in the past (48, 65, 71)

Those were different times for both the nations, they were no nuclear capable back then and their corporates were not involved in politics to the level they are today.

they have occupied and invaded into Siachin

Again a small conflict , not a full fledge war . There is always a chance of limited conflict but no chance what so ever for full scale war.

they are still occupying Jammu & Kashmir so the core issues not only exist rather getting severe (water and Kashmir issues) and additional issues (CPEC, Gwader port, Afghanistan etc)

IOK will remain under their occupation, they will never let go of it because of its strategic values e.t.c , and neither will Pakistan will let go of its part of Kashmir.
As far as Gwader and CPEC are concern , they will fund proxy war to their fullest . That is what they can do the best . That is why they have created 500 Million USD fund for its disruption.
We can return them the favour by funding and training the people from the separatist movement within india.

But we are ready for all eventualities and we won't sit idle

No where I said that we should not prepare , we should always be prepared. I have my full trust in Armed forces who are keeping this country safe from scums like TTP and Alqaeda .

The most recent example of not going to full scale war , after being nuclear power, was the full military stand off on borders by both forces in 2002 (If i can recall it correctly).
That standoff ended with India withdrawing its forces from border without a fight .

So yes India and Pakistan will not have full scale war. Period

 

[war&peace]

I think we can have discussion like gentlemen instead of calling names and stuff.....

Let agree to disagree , that you have your idea and I have my idea and we both enjoy the freedom of expressing those ideas .


By that logic , why is companies like Tata , Mital Steel are expanding their global reach to Europe , America e.t.c
They already have market of 1200 Million no ?

They are the one who have given us the status of " Most Favourable Nation " if you can recall that, beacuse they want to have trade with Pakistan. Plus a war with Pakistan threatens their billions and billions Dollar investment in India as simple as that.

Those were different times for both the nations, they were no nuclear capable back then and their corporates were not involved in politics to the level they are today.

Again a small conflict , not a full fledge war . There is always a chance of limited conflict but no chance what so ever for full scale war.



IOK will remain under their occupation, they will never let go of it because of its strategic values e.t.c , and neither will Pakistan will let go of its part of Kashmir.
As far as Gwader and CPEC are concern , they will fund proxy war to their fullest . That is what they can do the best . That is why they have created 500 Million USD fund for its disruption.
We can return them the favour by funding and training the people from the separatist movement within india.


No where I said that we should not prepare , we should always be prepared. I have my full trust in Armed forces who are keeping this country safe from scums like TTP and Alqaeda .

The most recent example of not going to full scale war , after being nuclear power, was the full military stand off on borders by both forces in 2002 (If i can recall it correctly).
That standoff ended with India withdrawing its forces from border without a fight .

So yes India and Pakistan will not have full scale war. Period

Nothing new is there in your post except rephrasing the same stuff which I replied already. By the way what business is Tata doing with Pakistan? There is no product of tata in Pakistan and there is no chance for any of their products to be marketed in Pakistan as the latter will find better alternatives from China and elsewhere so as I said either one have to totally ignorant or misleading the people with lies.

We have two sure shot countermeasures and a probable third one and it is only due to them that America chooses to use proxies against Pakistan instead of direct invasions like they did in Iraq etc.
1) They know we will nuke Israel the moment they decide to launch an invasion, to counter this the Americans need to find out the location of all our nukes to carry out a massive preemptive strike to take all of them out, even if one nuke is left, it would be enough for Israel's miniscle land mass. I hope they never discover all the locations.
2) Any direct American agression against Pakistan will drag China in immediately, not because of chasmon se meethi, himalaya se oonchi bs, but due to the fact that China has immense strategic interests in Pakistan.
3) We might've ICBM's of our own and with proven MIRV tech we can hit American cities and strategic bases in the area.
So all in all even if we go down we wont go down quietly, the resulting damage would be more than the world can afford hence no one can actually afford to take out Pakistan unless they figure out the exact location of all our nukes at the same time, which frankly is almost a near impossible task, the Americans couldnt even figure out the locations of all of Iraqi scud missles, that is after thousands of hours of sorties over iraq....

Excellent!! but not just Israel, add india to the list. We will eliminate these two countries with any country tried to invade Pakistan.

 

[BABA AGHORI]

India cannot afford full fledge war , reason being all these political parties are being funded by Corporates like Tata and they dont want war. They want business from pakistan, its a 200 Million customers market which they are missing. They will use their power to keep indian politican or army in that case from going to war.

This is the same reason they have been using proxies in Afghanistan to attack Pakistan, whether its is TTP or BLA e.t.c. Last I heard many indians were killed when US of A throw Mother of All bomb on ISIS location in Afghanistan , wonder what were indians doing with ISIS. May be negotiating atta deal through Charbbar . They will only fund these proxies.

To counter their game plan in Afghanistan , we shall give our full support to the separatist movement in India, with all the funds and training they need.

Very good point - But why not Pakistani businessmen need 1.3 plus billion markets. Dhanda hai per ganda hai yeh...

Probably as Tatas and party are getting into defense business they prefer having a war to create demand. for them creating demand in 1.3 plus billion market makes more sense than creating demand in 200 million markets. Simple economics fails here. Isn't it ?

Being a bigger economy India can match and do better if someone is thinking of messing with India's internal matters.

 

[rohailmalhi]

Being a bigger economy India can match and do better if someone is thinking of messing with India's internal matters.

Actually India is already doing that with its full potential. Be it TTP or BLA . It is open secret that Indian are using Afghanistan and Iran to some extend to destabilize Pakistan.

Probably as Tatas and party are getting into defense business they prefer having a war to create demand. for them creating demand in 1.3 plus billion market makes more sense than creating demand in 200 million markets. Simple economics fails here. Isn't it

But you are ignoring the fact the amount of investments by the likes of Tata , Reliance in india , will be threated in case of war with Pakistan, which they dont want.

They will only create hysteria in India using your media to sell more arms to Army, that is business as usual.

Very good point - But why not Pakistani businessmen need 1.3 plus billion markets. Dhanda hai per ganda hai yeh

I was telling him why India cannot afford a full scale war with Pakistan. Thats why, as for the Pakistani businessmen the condition in India are not suitable for them to do the trading. If I remember correctly , Last year Extremist Hindus forcefully closed down the exhibition hosted by Pakistan Businessmen with their products , just beacuse they are from Pakistan, but on the other hand I dont see that happening to Indian Products in Pakistan.

 

[BABA AGHORI]

Actually India is already doing that with its full potential. Be it TTP or BLA . It is open secret that Indian are using Afghanistan and Iran to some extend to destabilize Pakistan.

But you are ignoring the fact the amount of investments by the likes of Tata , Reliance in india , will be threated in case of war with Pakistan, which they dont want.

They will only create hysteria in India using your media to sell more arms to Army, that is business as usual.

Sorry to bust your bubble
No one in this world gives a hoot about your open secrets.
Tatas and Reliance had enough business and investments back in previous wars too... they work in heavy industries and infrastructure projects. More destruction means more construction business too.

Infact if I would be tata or ambanies I would disagree with your point.

I was telling him why India cannot afford a full scale war with Pakistan. Thats why, as for the Pakistani businessmen the condition in India are not suitable for them to do the trading. If I remember correctly , Last year Extremist Hindus forcefully closed down the exhibition hosted by Pakistan Businessmen with their products , just beacuse they are from Pakistan, but on the other hand I dont see that happening to Indian Products in Pakistan.

Last time I heard from media, Pakistan banned Hindu tamatar.. and neither Tata not ambani grow tamatars in India.

 

[rohailmalhi]

No one in this world gives a hoot about your open secrets.

Yeah sure , keep living in that bubbles of you.

and Mr. Yadev was only there to distribute sweets on behalf of Indian Govt.

Tatas and Reliance had enough business and investments back in previous wars too... they work in heavy industries and infrastructure projects. More destruction means more construction business too.

At that time neither of the nation, have WMD or Nuclear weapons and extensive delivery system.
There will be no construction work that is for sure , for next century , if war broke out.

 

[BABA AGHORI]

Yeah sure , keep living in that bubbles of you.

and Mr. Yadev was only there to distribute sweets on behalf of Indian Govt.



At that time neither of the nation, have WMD or Nuclear weapons and extensive delivery system.
There will be no construction work that is for sure , for next century , if war broke out.

Lol, so from losing a 200 million market to Aatmi kuwat... That is what actually the impression world has for you guys. ..
I rest my case of discussing economics