ComparativeAnalysis India vs China: Rationalising the Difference

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@SIPRA @Ace of Spades @crankthatskunk @Aspen @StormBreaker @PakSword @masterchief_mirza

I see that active attempt to derail the thread with nonsense or feigned protestations...

The thread is NOT about culture or civilisation ...but about Components which are essential to calculate Comprehensive National Strengthe of a State.

All possible distracting indicators/matrices are NOT added just to NOT offend the Good Indians!

@Aspen posted in another thread about AI. Rather interesting for someone to understand its value... and of course, why Artificial Intelligence in added as Comparative Matrix in this thread.

@beijingwalker can you tag other Chinese members to provide data in the OP... it would great help! Thanks!

Mangus

 

[crankthatskunk]

You don't understand the significance of Chess and you are doing the analysis of India and China. You are great.

@Jackdaws @Laozi @ChennaiDude @Suriya @Kaniska @Nilgiri @jamahir @TheGreatMaratha @Chhatrapati @Skull and Bones @aryadravida

- PRTP GWD

I think we do understand the importance of Chess players. It shows the intelligence and planning capacity of a nation.
Now Let me answer you a question. How many Chess Players ISI has produced!!
Let Me answer the Q, None.

But it still plans and do the "Chitrol" of RAW and IA very successfully.

 

[Jackdaws]

Lol. There is only one data point that matters. The embrace of free market economics. China embraced it in late 1970s. India embraced it in early 1990s. China become a 2 trillion dollar economy in 2005. India become one in 2014. So that gap is pretty much 10-15 years. And will eventually catch up. Rest is all a feel good post by a guy from a country known for bailouts.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I think we do understand the importance of Chess players. It shows the intelligence and planning capacity of a nation.

Tell that to @SIPRA and thread starter, @Mangus Ortus Novem.

- PRTP GWD

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

I think an endeavour like this will help not just quantify the different areas that make up the 'Comprehensive National Strength of a State' and compare both China and India accordingly.

Something like this should also help us understand what areas contribute to a state's strength and where we ourselves are lacking.

Once there is a clear understanding of what constitutes progress, one can chart the road one needs to take to get to the destination.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Salaam

I think an endeavour like this will help not just quantify the different areas that make up the 'Comprehensive National Strength of a State' and compare both China and India accordingly.

Something like this should also help us understand what areas contribute to a state's strength and where we ourselves are lacking.

Once there is a clear understanding of what constitutes progress, one can chart the road one needs to take to get to the destination.

PakBrother mine,

Bless you!

This is what exactly we need to understand.... the drivers, the essential components of Comprehensive National Strength...

Hopefully, the Chinese posters @LKJ86 and other knowledge members will helps with data points in the OP... @Beast @beijingwalker kindly tag other chiense memeber who can helps us with this Comparative Analysis.

Thankyou!

 

[crankthatskunk]

Lol. There is only one data point that matters. The embrace of free market economics. China embraced it in late 1970s. India embraced it in early 1990s. China become a 2 trillion dollar economy in 2005. India become one in 2014. So that gap is pretty much 10-15 years. And will eventually catch up. Rest is all a feel good post by a guy from a country known for bailouts.

Similarly, the gap between GDP of Pakistan and India is very small. That too has creep since 2008, when the corrupt thugs masquerading as "Democrats" took over running of Pakistan.
Most of it due to PKR losing value gradually. Once that is addressed, that would wipe out the difference automatically.

What would you do about the slogans of "poor" and "Begging" Pakistan!!
We have already provide proofs that India is the biggest bagging nation in the world.

Now the economic miracle of India going boooooooooooooom.
The shameful thing is that for you $6000+ dollar difference with China for India is not a big deal, you are equal to China.
But a less than $600 difference with Pakistan is a very big deal. Pakistan is declared as "Poor Beggar".
Indian's in their own La La Land.

 

[Jackdaws]

Similarly, the gap between GDP of Pakistan and India is very small. That too has creep since 2008, when the corrupt thugs masquerading as "Democrats" took over running of Pakistan.
Most of it due to PKR losing value gradually. Once that is addressed, that would wipe out the difference automatically.

What would you do about the slogans of "poor" and "Begging" Pakistan!!
We have already provide proofs that India is the biggest bagging nation in the world.

Now the economic miracle of India going boooooooooooooom.
The shameful thing is that for you $6000+ dollar difference with China for India is not a big deal, you are equal to China.
But a less than $600 difference with Pakistan is a very big deal. Pakistan is declared as "Poor Beggar".
Indian's in their own La La Land.

It's very simple. You have no major export oriented industry to speak of. No auto industry, no pharma industry, no software industry, no manufacturing industry. How many times has the IMF bailed you out? The Americans? The Saudis? The Chinese?
India once pledged gold to IMF during the 1991 crisis caused due to a weak Govt, the gulf War escalating prices and the collapse of the Soviet Union - India's biggest trading partner which accepted payment in rupees instead of $.

And even now you are still begging for waivers.

 

[crankthatskunk]

It's very simple. You have no major export oriented industry to speak of. No auto industry, no pharma industry, no software industry, no manufacturing industry. How many times has the IMF bailed you out? The Americans? The Saudis? The Chinese?
India once pledged gold to IMF during the 1991 crisis caused due to a weak Govt, the gulf War escalating prices and the collapse of the Soviet Union - India's biggest trading partner which accepted payment in rupees instead of $.

And even now you are still begging for waivers.

First let the begging part on one side, because you were presented with authentic figures that India is the biggest beggar in the world. Pakistan is not even in the top 10. For Covid-19 as well India is getting far more help than Pakistan.
Now to your other stupid assertions. Pakistan have all the industries India has, almost. Obviously on smaller scale. There are all the big Pharma Companies in Pakistan, which are in India. There is auto industry. There is software industry, its exports are increasing. Pakistan manufactures.

The best examples are all those missiles pointing towards your behinds, which doesn't let you sleep at nights.

Like a true deceptive liar, you didn't comment on your economic miracle and your standing viz a viz China. Why $6000+ dollar difference in real GDP per capita is not important but less than $600 is.
Ridiculous Indians.

You should be worried about this. It may burst your bubble.
Indian external debts.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Lol. There is only one data point that matters. The embrace of free market economics. China embraced it in late 1970s. India embraced it in early 1990s. China become a 2 trillion dollar economy in 2005. India become one in 2014. So that gap is pretty much 10-15 years. And will eventually catch up. Rest is all a feel good post by a guy from a country known for bailouts.

If I am not wrong - agar main galat nahi hoon - West has done a lot more FDI in China than in India, right? Elaborate.

- PRTP GWD

 

[Kaniska]

This list of points is incomplete and prejudiced but the OP masquerades as being neutral. It doesn't take into consideration that India became independent from 150 years of colonial rule only in 1947. True, China had civil war but it was it's own doing. OP doesn't take into consideration that India was at the receiving end of America's covert repeated attempts to reestablish colonial rule etc. I would like to post links.

- PRTP GWD

Even if the intent of the poster is not good, actually it is always good to see being compared ourselves with someone who is better than us or something to learn from China rather than comparing with Pakistan..

 

[crankthatskunk]

For Indians who point fingers at Pakistan, here is their debt clock snapshot a min ago.

Over $1.134 trillion debt.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Lol. There is only one data point that matters. The embrace of free market economics. China embraced it in late 1970s. India embraced it in early 1990s. China become a 2 trillion dollar economy in 2005. India become one in 2014. So that gap is pretty much 10-15 years. And will eventually catch up. Rest is all a feel good post by a guy from a country known for bailouts.

Agree with what you say but the gap is increasing. China became a 2 trillion in 2005 and India became 2 trillion in 2014, so that's a 9 year gap. But China became 3 trillion in 2007 i.e 2 years from 2 trillion to 3 trillion. Whereas India took 5 years to go from 2 to 3 trillion from 2014 to 2019. Now the gap for 3 trillion is not 9 years but 12 years i.e. 2007 for China and 2019 for India, so you see that gap is increasing. That's something to think about.

 

[Jackdaws]

Agree with what you say but the gap is increasing. China became a 2 trillion in 2005 and India became 2 trillion in 2014, so that's a 9 year gap. But China became 3 trillion in 2007 i.e 2 years from 2 trillion to 3 trillion. Whereas India took 5 years to go from 2 to 3 trillion from 2014 to 2019. Now the gap for 3 trillion is not 9 years but 12 years i.e. 2007 for China and 2019 for India, so you see that gap is increasing. That's something to think about.

It's compound rate of growth. It will increase for a while but the catching up in inevitable. Also they started in 1978. We in 1991. That's a gap of 13 years. The gap will oscillate +/- 5 based on internal and external factors.

First let the begging part on one side, because you were presented with authentic figures that India is the biggest beggar in the world. Pakistan is not even in the top 10. For Covid-19 as well India is getting far more help than Pakistan.
Now to your other stupid assertions. Pakistan have all the industries India has, almost. Obviously on smaller scale. There are all the big Pharma Companies in Pakistan, which are in India. There is auto industry. There is software industry, its exports are increasing. Pakistan manufactures.

The best examples are all those missiles pointing towards your behinds, which doesn't let you sleep at nights.

Like a true deceptive liar, you didn't comment on your economic miracle and your standing viz a viz China. Why $6000+ dollar difference in real GDP per capita is not important but less than $600 is.
Ridiculous Indians.

You should be worried about this. It may burst your bubble.
Indian external debts.

Lol. Which car does Pakistan manufacture? Which company of Pakistan is anywhere near Cipla, Sun Pharma, Dr. Reddy's Lab. Who has even heard of a Pakistani Software company? Where is your Infosys or TCS or Wipro?

And you have been begging for aid since inception.

India and China's gap is already explained because of compounded rate of growth. In all indicators, India is about 15 years behind China.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

It's compound rate of growth. It will increase for a while but the catching up in inevitable. Also they started in 1978. We in 1991. That's a gap of 13 years. The gap will oscillate +/- 5 based on internal and external factors.

But what about Western FDI in China? Is it proportionally same or different?

- PRTP GWD

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

It's compound rate of growth. It will increase for a while but the catching up in inevitable. Also they started in 1978. We in 1991. That's a gap of 13 years. The gap will oscillate +/- 5 based on internal and external factors.

My understanding of economics isnt great but i hope what you say is correct. We cannot afford things to slow down any further. We have to get back to our old growth rate of 8 to 9 per cent asap. Modi's tenure has been disappointing in that regard.