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‘Flying Phoenix’ set for take-off, but turbulence lies ahead
  • Chun Han Wong
  • The Wall Street Journal
  • December 1, 2015 12:00AM
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Workers with a Comac ARJ21-700 in Shanghai.

China’s first homemade jetliner is poised to make its commercial debut nearly a decade behind schedule, as a local airline took delivery of a regional aircraft that illustrates Beijing’s woes in getting its aerospace sector airborne.

Regional carrier Chengdu Airlines on Sunday received the first of the 30 new ARJ21 jets it ordered from state-owned Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, or Comac. The ARJ21, dubbed the Flying Phoenix, will enter service after three months of trial operations, Comac said in a statement.

The ARJ21, or Advanced Regional Jet for the 21st century, can carry between 78 and 90 passengers for more than 2200km, Comas says.

Chinese officials originally set a 2006 deadline for the ARJ21’s commercial rollout but pushed back its debut several times due to repeated production setbacks. Similar troubles have plagued Comac’s push to develop a larger jetliner, the C919. A prototype of that 158 to 174 seater was completed this month after years of delays.

The delays underscore how China’s commercial plane makers have struggled to close the gap with Western aerospace giants Airbus and Boeing, despite strong state backing for what Beijing considers a project of national prestige.

ARJ21 has been a waste of money,” said Keith Crane, an economist at Rand who has studied China’s aviation sector. “It has provided Comac, which inherited the project, with experience working with Western suppliers and with trying to get an aircraft certified, but those pluses are completely outweighed by the costs of the project.”

Industry analysts estimate the ARJ21 racked up billions of dollars in development costs.

In its statement, Comas said the ARJ21 project helped boost technological and developmental know-how in China’s aviation industry, groomed a new crop of aerospace professionals and “created advantageous conditions” for the more ambitious C919 project.
Chinese aerospace officials have previously given the ARJ21’s list price as $US30.5 million ($42.4m), cheaper compared with its many rivals, though analysts say buyers were probably given discounts.

Industry experts said the ARJ21 had little hope of breaking out of its home market amid stiff competition in a regional jet market dominated by Canada’s Bombardier and Brazil’s Embraer. Russia’s Sukhoi also makes a regional jet, while Japan’s Mitsubishi Aircraft will pose a challenge with its 70 to 90-seater that made its maiden flight this month.

The ARJ21 currently lacks US and European certification, which means it can’t be exported or flown to major Western markets. The US Federal Aviation Administration this year ended a shadow evaluation of the Chinese civil-aviation regulator’s ability to assess airworthiness — a bilateral process industry insiders said was fraught with discord over bureaucratic and technical matters.

Comac is developing an ARJ21 variant with design changes that will bring the plane in line with US standards, according to the FAA, which said it would work with Chinese regulators to “develop a path to work towards certification of the derivative model of the ARJ21 and, possibly, the C919”.

Still, Comac can be assured of sales to Chinese airlines, whose aircraft purchases are controlled by the government. Sunday’s delivery was the first of more than 300 orders for the ARJ21, most placed by Chinese airlines and leasing firms. Booming growth in domestic air travel would also help: Boeing projects China’s commercial aeroplane fleet to nearly triple to more than 7200 by 2034, including demand for about 4630 single-aisle planes.

Internationalising the ARJ21 and the C919 isn’t realistic at this point,” said Gao Yuanyang, an associate professor at Beihang University who studies China’s aviation industry.

“Comac must first focus on the domestic market and gain acceptance from airlines and passengers, in terms of performance, maintenance and comfort.”

The ARJ21 is influenced by the McDonnell Douglas MD-90 and relies heavily on foreign technology.
 
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Correct the civilian version of this is using the LEAP engine, a militarized version for AWACS/ASW will need domestic. With the WS-10, WS-15, and WS-20 running smoothly this shouldn't be a problem.
That is good but engine development is not such an easy task especially the large turbofan engines for commercial airliners.
 
‘Flying Phoenix’ set for take-off, but turbulence lies ahead
  • Chun Han Wong
  • The Wall Street Journal
  • December 1, 2015 12:00AM
c99030dd90bb1e3ae74eb6a0651e93e6

Workers with a Comac ARJ21-700 in Shanghai.

China’s first homemade jetliner is poised to make its commercial debut nearly a decade behind schedule, as a local airline took delivery of a regional aircraft that illustrates Beijing’s woes in getting its aerospace sector airborne.

Regional carrier Chengdu Airlines on Sunday received the first of the 30 new ARJ21 jets it ordered from state-owned Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, or Comac. The ARJ21, dubbed the Flying Phoenix, will enter service after three months of trial operations, Comac said in a statement.

The ARJ21, or Advanced Regional Jet for the 21st century, can carry between 78 and 90 passengers for more than 2200km, Comas says.

Chinese officials originally set a 2006 deadline for the ARJ21’s commercial rollout but pushed back its debut several times due to repeated production setbacks. Similar troubles have plagued Comac’s push to develop a larger jetliner, the C919. A prototype of that 158 to 174 seater was completed this month after years of delays.

The delays underscore how China’s commercial plane makers have struggled to close the gap with Western aerospace giants Airbus and Boeing, despite strong state backing for what Beijing considers a project of national prestige.

ARJ21 has been a waste of money,” said Keith Crane, an economist at Rand who has studied China’s aviation sector. “It has provided Comac, which inherited the project, with experience working with Western suppliers and with trying to get an aircraft certified, but those pluses are completely outweighed by the costs of the project.”

Industry analysts estimate the ARJ21 racked up billions of dollars in development costs.

In its statement, Comas said the ARJ21 project helped boost technological and developmental know-how in China’s aviation industry, groomed a new crop of aerospace professionals and “created advantageous conditions” for the more ambitious C919 project.
Chinese aerospace officials have previously given the ARJ21’s list price as $US30.5 million ($42.4m), cheaper compared with its many rivals, though analysts say buyers were probably given discounts.

Industry experts said the ARJ21 had little hope of breaking out of its home market amid stiff competition in a regional jet market dominated by Canada’s Bombardier and Brazil’s Embraer. Russia’s Sukhoi also makes a regional jet, while Japan’s Mitsubishi Aircraft will pose a challenge with its 70 to 90-seater that made its maiden flight this month.

The ARJ21 currently lacks US and European certification, which means it can’t be exported or flown to major Western markets. The US Federal Aviation Administration this year ended a shadow evaluation of the Chinese civil-aviation regulator’s ability to assess airworthiness — a bilateral process industry insiders said was fraught with discord over bureaucratic and technical matters.

Comac is developing an ARJ21 variant with design changes that will bring the plane in line with US standards, according to the FAA, which said it would work with Chinese regulators to “develop a path to work towards certification of the derivative model of the ARJ21 and, possibly, the C919”.

Still, Comac can be assured of sales to Chinese airlines, whose aircraft purchases are controlled by the government. Sunday’s delivery was the first of more than 300 orders for the ARJ21, most placed by Chinese airlines and leasing firms. Booming growth in domestic air travel would also help: Boeing projects China’s commercial aeroplane fleet to nearly triple to more than 7200 by 2034, including demand for about 4630 single-aisle planes.

Internationalising the ARJ21 and the C919 isn’t realistic at this point,” said Gao Yuanyang, an associate professor at Beihang University who studies China’s aviation industry.

“Comac must first focus on the domestic market and gain acceptance from airlines and passengers, in terms of performance, maintenance and comfort.”

The ARJ21 is influenced by the McDonnell Douglas MD-90 and relies heavily on foreign technology.

Funny a Viet laughing at China when Vietnam will never develop its own commercial aircraft or fighter jets :lol:
 
Chun Han Wong isn't a Vietnamese name.

Don't worry about Chun Han Wong (China doesn't operate on the opinion of an article). Worry about BoQ77.

Viets are banned from talking about Chinese weapons or C919 or ARJ21 or anything relating to China because Vietnam will never have such capabilities.
 
Don't worry about Chun Han Wong (China doesn't operate on the opinion of an article). Worry about BoQ77.

Viets are banned from talking about Chinese weapons or C919 or ARJ21 or anything relating to China because Vietnam will never have such capabilities.

Are you sure, Viets are banned from talking here?

Your argument is similar to "during decades until now Chinese has no right to talk about Boeing or Airbus or Bombardier ... passenger jets because they haven't their own passenger jet airliners"
 
If it would get successful "PAKISTAN " would surely induct this in her PIA fleet. Well best of luck china.

Pakistan just got a modern AWACS air-frame for future AWACS platforms, as well as VIP transport and ASW platforms in the shape of ARJ. Watch how its going to unfold over the years!!
 
Are you sure, Viets are banned from talking here?

Your argument is similar to "during decades until now Chinese has no right to talk about Boeing or Airbus or Bombardier ... passenger jets because they haven't their own passenger jet airliners"

China is here to discuss Chinese achievements like Tianhe-2 supercomputer, C919, ARJ21, J-20, J-31, J-16, J-11D, Y-20, Type 054A, Type 052D, Type 055, Type 094, DF-21D and DF-26 ASBM, DF-41 ICBM, HQ-19, HQ-26, HQ-29, High-speed trains, ACP1000 nuclear reactor, Tiangong space station, Chinese manned space program, Chinese rover on moon (Yutu), CZ-5/6/7 launch vehicle, Beidou satellite navigation, Gaofen remote sensing satellite, Jiaolong submersible, HD-981 oil rig, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Vietnam has no achievements to be proud of and nothing to talk about so jealous Viets come to Chinese threads to troll about Chinese achievements which Vietnam can and will never achieve.
 
China is here to discuss Chinese achievements like Tianhe-2 supercomputer, C919, ARJ21, J-20, J-31, J-16, J-11D, Y-20, Type 054A, Type 052D, Type 055, Type 094, DF-21D and DF-26 ASBM, DF-41 ICBM, HQ-19, HQ-26, HQ-29, High-speed trains, ACP1000 nuclear reactor, Tiangong space station, Chinese manned space program, Chinese rover on moon (Yutu), CZ-5/6/7 launch vehicle, Beidou satellite navigation, Gaofen remote sensing satellite, Jiaolong submersible, HD-981 oil rig, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Vietnam has no achievements to be proud of and nothing to talk about so jealous Viets come to Chinese threads to troll about Chinese achievements which Vietnam can and will never achieve.
Precisely, we dont need an inferior being to lecture us on those achievement. It just like vietnamese trying to lecture on China how to play table tennis. Don't you find its ridiculous? :lol:

When you achieved that feat , then you are qualify to talk about it. If no, those comment are simply out of jealousy and hate with no meaningful comment.
 
Wong is either Taiwanese or HKer.

Exclude those PDF Chinese patriots from Taiwan or HK, most Taiwanese and HKers in real life are anti-China.

So it is expected to see them to badmouth about the Mainland China's products.

I read that article before the Vietnamese troll posted it in here.

As soon as I clicked on the article and saw the author's name, I knew it will be an anti-China article. It had to be a Taiwanese or HKer.
 
Precisely, we dont need an inferior being to lecture us on those achievement. It just like vietnamese trying to lecture on China how to play table tennis. Don't you find its ridiculous? :lol:

When you achieved that feat , then you are qualify to talk about it. If no, those comment are simply out of jealousy and hate with no meaningful comment.

You are civilians just like me. You can't even beat me by table tennis. I'm good player of table tennis too.
 
You are civilians just like me. You can't even beat me by table tennis. I'm good player of table tennis too.
Can you beat Ma Long? He is from China. Or you want to lecture him how to play table tennis. You not even qualify to talk to him. :lol: You shall shut your comment about China. I waiting for Vietnam to take over China economy before you give your comment about China.

 

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