Colored revolution in Vietnam 2016?

[fadine]

Chinese go ahead, please.

 

[DaiViet]

You Vietnam also SHOUT kiling Chinese and you DID it last year and in 1979，unlike your barbarian race，we never poured the hatred on the normal Vietnamese in China.
In fact，you can only see us in your eye， we stand much taller ，focus the global problems and normally ignore you，you hate us very much，but I can make sure 99% chinese donot hate you ，never mention genocide your race. As I said，your country is very trivival in our eyes，nobody cares.

Focus on problem is good for you, unfortunately not all your Chinese focus on mature discussions, instead resort to strawman attack. Do you want me to point you to the right post where of your fellows Chinese? Not sure how nice your government is but i have seen so far your Chinese picking on poor Viet fishermen.

I am not even sure when we mass kill your Chinese in 1979? You are just well fed from your government propaganda. In 1979, what the Viet government did simply took all the wealth of Chinese in Vietnam, and that is part of land reform problem when country follow communism idealogy, so does Southern Vietnamese capitalist got all wealth taken and being push to the sea. Did it also happen in China.

You need to do more research on what happen in 1979 instead blindly listen to your government propaganda.

 

[empirefighter]

Focus on problem is good for you, unfortunately not all your Chinese focus on mature discussions, instead resort to strawman attack. Do you want me to point you to the right post where of your fellows Chinese? Not sure how nice your government is but i have seen so far your Chinese picking on poor Viet fishermen.

I am not even sure when we mass kill your Chinese in 1979? You are just well fed from your government propaganda. In 1979, what the Viet government did simply took all the wealth of Chinese in Vietnam, and that is part of land reform problem when country follow communism idealogy, so does Southern Vietnamese capitalist got all wealth taken and being push to the sea. Did it also happen in China.

You need to do more research on what happen in 1979 instead blindly listen to your government propaganda.

As I said many times，our government never stir national hatred to Vietnam，the truth is very simple，no Chinese think Vietnam have ability to hurt us，so the propaganda about Vietnam donot work.
As you said in 1979，your government did harm to the Chinese in Vietnam，that is the history truth.In fact my grandpa was once a landlord and all the land was taken by CCP，I can understand that，but we did this at home and no intention to expel the landlords，in that expel process your government killed many Chinese ，your government did that just 3 years after we helped you fight the USA and got your indenpendence，it is very dirty and ungrateful activity. After that，the VCP lost our focus，your country is viewed as untrust and despicable country by normal Chinese，no need to propaganda，it is very natural.
All is not important now ，we get hurt and betral by Vietnam and North Korea because we were too warmhearted，we thought we still had duty to help you because of the history responsibility，civilization，communism and so on，but you two countries all consider your own national interest and hurt ours，you did right thing，we were too stupid before，now we are normal relation and benifit both of us.
Sometimes，most of Chinese are very comfused，we cannot understand why your government and people are eager to stir hatred to us？ In our view，nationalism is a two bladesword，you stir the hatred but you cannot use that to changellege us，like fighting a war，then the hatred will turn back to the government. That will hurt Vietnam much more than us，since we have nothing to lose in Vietnam. Can you explain your thought？ thx.

 

[Viet]

It appears young and old chinese have no place to masturbate.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Oh no.The last thing I want to see is millions of refugees flooding our Guangxi border.If that happens and you find yourself among them @xudoai, give me a call and I will take you in.Then you can be a chinese like you always wanted.

 

[DaiViet]

As I said many times，our government never stir national hatred to Vietnam，the truth is very simple，no Chinese think Vietnam have ability to hurt us，so the propaganda about Vietnam donot work.
As you said in 1979，your government did harm to the Chinese in Vietnam，that is the history truth.In fact my grandpa was once a landlord and all the land was taken by CCP，I can understand that，but we did this at home and no intention to expel the landlords，in that expel process your government killed many Chinese ，your government did that just 3 years after we helped you fight the USA and got your indenpendence，it is very dirty and ungrateful activity. After that，the VCP lost our focus，your country is viewed as untrust and despicable country by normal Chinese，no need to propaganda，it is very natural.
All is not important now ，we get hurt and betral by Vietnam and North Korea because we were too warmhearted，we thought we still had duty to help you because of the history responsibility，civilization，communism and so on，but you two countries all consider your own national interest and hurt ours，you did right thing，we were too stupid before，now we are normal relation and benifit both of us.
Sometimes，most of Chinese are very comfused，we cannot understand why your government and people are eager to stir hatred to us？ In our view，nationalism is a two bladesword，you stir the hatred but you cannot use that to changellege us，like fighting a war，then the hatred will turn back to the government. That will hurt Vietnam much more than us，since we have nothing to lose in Vietnam. Can you explain your thought？ thx.

I wonder where you get all this dramatic story about Sino-Vietnam war 1979. The actual cause is China sided with U.S. against Soviet union and forced Vietnam to follow China, however Vietnam refused which angry China. To prove U.S. that China is U.S. partner China attacked Vietnam.

Go back further, the relation between China and Vietnam was broken before that. It is due to

the great help of the Chinese in the Indochina War and the Vietnam War, the rift in diplomatic relations between the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and China have started to show since 1968. Hanoi at the same time keeping certain warm relationship with both Moscow and Beijing while the conflict between the Soviet Union and China were higher. Dissent between Hanoi and Beijing on how to conduct the war in South Vietnam became apparent. Hanoi Beijing want only to continue the guerrilla war against the US limits, while Hanoi wanted to wage war scale to their reunification. [9] And moreover, they want to live negotiations with the United States, no other country through an intermediary. [10] After the Tet, Hanoi started negotiations with the United States, while Beijing objected. [9]

In order word, China wants to use Vietnam as chess piece to negotiate with U.S. disregard of Vietnam desire to be independent and unification state. China wants Vietnam just like Korea to split North and South for several reasons; easy control, weaken Vietnam as rivalry, and uses Vietnam to negotiate with super power U.S. mainly economic assistant. Of course this scheme would not work for patriotic Vietnamese.

Finally dont even mention about the help, not all Vietnamese will appreciate that, especially Southern Vietnam. Southern Vietnamese hate China more than Northern because you Chinese aided the North to eliminate the South.

In case, you don't know Southern Vietnam at the time economic dominant by Hoa people. Let say if South Vietnam win the war, there would not be any Hoa expel and would not any land reform at all.

So, it was China policy back fire, not Vietnam to blame. Vietnam did not have much choice at the time, it was too busy to fight for unification and colonialism. Blame your PRC government instead.

 

[Place Of Space]

I wonder where you get all this dramatic story about Sino-Vietnam war 1979. The actual cause is China sided with U.S. against Soviet union and forced Vietnam to follow China, however Vietnam refused which angry China. To prove U.S. that China is U.S. partner China attacked Vietnam.

Go back further, the relation between China and Vietnam was broken before that. It is due to

the great help of the Chinese in the Indochina War and the Vietnam War, the rift in diplomatic relations between the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and China have started to show since 1968. Hanoi at the same time keeping certain warm relationship with both Moscow and Beijing while the conflict between the Soviet Union and China were higher. Dissent between Hanoi and Beijing on how to conduct the war in South Vietnam became apparent. Hanoi Beijing want only to continue the guerrilla war against the US limits, while Hanoi wanted to wage war scale to their reunification. [9] And moreover, they want to live negotiations with the United States, no other country through an intermediary. [10] After the Tet, Hanoi started negotiations with the United States, while Beijing objected. [9]

In order word, China wants to use Vietnam as chess piece to negotiate with U.S. disregard of Vietnam desire to be independent and unification state. China wants Vietnam just like Korea to split North and South for several reasons; easy control, weaken Vietnam as rivalry, and uses Vietnam to negotiate with super power U.S. mainly economic assistant. Of course this scheme would not work for patriotic Vietnamese.

Finally dont even mention about the help, not all Vietnamese will appreciate that, especially Southern Vietnam. Southern Vietnamese hate China more than Northern because you Chinese aided the North to eliminate the South.

In case, you don't know Southern Vietnam at the time economic dominant by Hoa people. Let say if South Vietnam win the war, there would not be any Hoa expel and would not any land reform at all.

So, it was China policy back fire, not Vietnam to blame. Vietnam did not have much choice at the time, it was too busy to fight for unification and colonialism. Blame your PRC government instead.

"The actual cause is China sided with U.S. against Soviet union and forced Vietnam to follow China, however Vietnam refused which angry China. To prove U.S. that China is U.S. partner China attacked Vietnam."
It's Nixon who initially came to China for seeking diplomatic relationship. China don't need to prove anything. During cold war, I am sorry to say, Vietnam didn't have the weight to change geopolitics, no matter Vietnam pro any side.

"the great help of the Chinese in the Indochina War and the Vietnam War, the rift in diplomatic relations between the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and China have started to show since 1968. Hanoi at the same time keeping certain warm relationship with both Moscow and Beijing while the conflict between the Soviet Union and China were higher. Dissent between Hanoi and Beijing on how to conduct the war in South Vietnam became apparent. Hanoi Beijing want only to continue the guerrilla war against the US limits, while Hanoi wanted to wage war scale to their reunification. [9] And moreover, they want to live negotiations with the United States, no other country through an intermediary. [10] After the Tet, Hanoi started negotiations with the United States, while Beijing objected. [9]"
------I don't know who wrote the article. It's too long, I try to simplify it. It's all Chinese fault, we should just stand by and observe everything going on. Vietnamese won't blame us anything. Vietnamese are heroes, but without outside support, it became French colony. Vietnamese still can't explain why they failed in 1880's but succeed in 1970's.

"China wants Vietnam just like Korea to split North and South for several reasons; easy control, weaken Vietnam as rivalry, and uses Vietnam to negotiate with super power U.S. mainly economic assistant. "
---I repeat Vietnam really didn't have that weight, China deal Vietnam, which could deal nothing from America. China actually deal itself, open and reform. America need the huge factory, need the investment paradise and now market. China's GDP increase fast, please note the same time America's GDP also grow fast.

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Finally dont even mention about the help, not all Vietnamese will appreciate that, especially Southern Vietnam. Southern Vietnamese hate China more than Northern because you Chinese aided the North to eliminate the South.

In case, you don't know Southern Vietnam at the time economic dominant by Hoa people. Let say if South Vietnam win the war, there would not be any Hoa expel and would not any land reform at all.

So, it was China policy back fire, not Vietnam to blame. Vietnam did not have much choice at the time, it was too busy to fight for unification and colonialism. Blame your PRC government instead.
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It's Vietnam to blame. Don't invade Laos and Cambodia, don't attack China border, nobody had any chance to attack Vietnam in 1979. Vietnam just peacefully stay there, tell me, how could China start the large-scale war?

 

[xesy]

"The actual cause is China sided with U.S. against Soviet union and forced Vietnam to follow China, however Vietnam refused which angry China. To prove U.S. that China is U.S. partner China attacked Vietnam."
It's Nixon who initially came to China for seeking diplomatic relationship. China don't need to prove anything. During cold war, I am sorry to say, Vietnam didn't have the weight to change geopolitics, no matter Vietnam pro any side.

"the great help of the Chinese in the Indochina War and the Vietnam War, the rift in diplomatic relations between the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and China have started to show since 1968. Hanoi at the same time keeping certain warm relationship with both Moscow and Beijing while the conflict between the Soviet Union and China were higher. Dissent between Hanoi and Beijing on how to conduct the war in South Vietnam became apparent. Hanoi Beijing want only to continue the guerrilla war against the US limits, while Hanoi wanted to wage war scale to their reunification. [9] And moreover, they want to live negotiations with the United States, no other country through an intermediary. [10] After the Tet, Hanoi started negotiations with the United States, while Beijing objected. [9]"
------I don't know who wrote the article. It's too long, I try to simplify it. It's all Chinese fault, we should just stand by and observe everything going on. Vietnamese won't blame us anything. Vietnamese are heroes, but without outside support, it became French colony. Vietnamese still can't explain why they failed in 1880's but succeed in 1970's.

"China wants Vietnam just like Korea to split North and South for several reasons; easy control, weaken Vietnam as rivalry, and uses Vietnam to negotiate with super power U.S. mainly economic assistant. "
---I repeat Vietnam really didn't have that weight, China deal Vietnam, which could deal nothing from America. China actually deal itself, open and reform. America need the huge factory, need the investment paradise and now market. China's GDP increase fast, please note the same time America's GDP also grow fast.

"
Finally dont even mention about the help, not all Vietnamese will appreciate that, especially Southern Vietnam. Southern Vietnamese hate China more than Northern because you Chinese aided the North to eliminate the South.

In case, you don't know Southern Vietnam at the time economic dominant by Hoa people. Let say if South Vietnam win the war, there would not be any Hoa expel and would not any land reform at all.

So, it was China policy back fire, not Vietnam to blame. Vietnam did not have much choice at the time, it was too busy to fight for unification and colonialism. Blame your PRC government instead.
"
It's Vietnam to blame. Don't invade Laos and Cambodia, don't attack China border, nobody had any chance to attack Vietnam in 1979. Vietnam just peacefully stay there, tell me, how could China start the large-scale war?

Cambodia did it first. Remember those massacares with hammers and bayonets? And VN hardly touched Laos at that time.

It's funny how a post about VN attracts more Chinese to comment than VNese.
P/s: it's good to be back guys.

 

[DaiViet]

The answer is very simple it never small weak country manipulate bigger country 10 of its size. It is hardly another way around.

Dont invade Cambodia ? You're kidding me, read about Khmer Rouge history it is their radical idea to invade and massacred Vietnamese.

During the months following the defeat of the Lon Nol regime, Pol Pot continued to purge the KCP and the Government of Democratic Kampuchea of those who he believed to be Soviet and Vietnamese agents. Then, in the context of the triumphalism, which prevailed over the Khmer Rouge leadership in a war that they claimed they had single-handedly defeated the "American imperialist", Democratic Kampuchea began to embark on a war against Vietnam.[27]
As the Kampuchean Revolutionary Army made preparations for its war against Vietnam, state-controlled media in Vietnam sent congratulatory messages to the Government of the Democratic Kampuchea on the second anniversary of its establishment, on 17 April 1977. On 30 April 1977, the second anniversary of the fall of Saigon, the Kampuchean reply came in the form of a military attack against the Vietnamese provinces of An Giang and Châu Đốc, killing hundreds of Vietnamese civilians.[27] The Vietnam People's Army responded by moving its troops to areas attacked by Kampuchea and, on 7 June 1977, Vietnam proposed high-level talks to discuss outstanding issues. On 18 June 1977, the Kampuchean Government replied by demanding that Vietnam remove all of its military units from the disputed areas, and create a demilitarised zone between the opposing forces.[28]

 

[JaiMin]

Colour revolution are unlikely despite all your believe of two pro-Us and China faction, those oversea opposition force are not strong and united, power inside party are decentralized, none of them got upper hand, policy are not made by either, it need approval from National assembly, Politburo, Central Committee. Most people still prefer stable govt than an "outbreak" and discontent toward govt are minority compare to vast population, you need to thank the lagacy of war in last centuary for that. Thus, if revolution occur, it must use force and have violent nature unlike those in Eastern Europe


Quote from globalsecurity org

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV) is governed through a highly centralized system dominated by the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV, or VCP -- Viet Nam Cong San Dang). As the force controlling the system, the party exercises leadership in all matters. The government manages state affairs through a structure that parallels the party's apparatus, but it is incapable of acting without party direction. All key government positions are filled by party members. Society is ruled by the party's ubiquitous presence, which is manifested in a network of party cadres at almost every level of social activity. All citizens are expected to be members of one or another of the mass organizations led by party cadres, and all managers and military officials are ultimately answerable to party representatives.

Decision-making at the top of Vietnam's Communist Party structure is broader based and more consensus driven than in China, and the full Politburo and Central Committee take an active role in policy and personnel matters. Decision-making in Vietnam's Party leadership tends to be "flatter" than it is in China, less hierarchical and more consensus driven. With no standing committee or a single "paramount leader," Vietnam's full Politburo, which meets weekly, is involved in a broad range of decisions with consensus required on relatively minor decisions.

Colour revolution are unlikely despite all your believe of two pro-Us and China faction, those oversea opposition force are not strong and united, power inside party are decentralized, none of them got upper hand, policy are not made by either, it need approval from National assembly, Politburo, Central Committee. Most people still prefer stable govt than an "outbreak" and discontent toward govt are minority compare to vast population, you need to thank the lagacy of war in last centuary for that. Thus, if revolution occur, it must use force and have violent nature unlike those in Eastern Europe


Quote from globalsecurity org

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV) is governed through a highly centralized system dominated by the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV, or VCP -- Viet Nam Cong San Dang). As the force controlling the system, the party exercises leadership in all matters. The government manages state affairs through a structure that parallels the party's apparatus, but it is incapable of acting without party direction. All key government positions are filled by party members. Society is ruled by the party's ubiquitous presence, which is manifested in a network of party cadres at almost every level of social activity. All citizens are expected to be members of one or another of the mass organizations led by party cadres, and all managers and military officials are ultimately answerable to party representatives.

Decision-making at the top of Vietnam's Communist Party structure is broader based and more consensus driven than in China, and the full Politburo and Central Committee take an active role in policy and personnel matters. Decision-making in Vietnam's Party leadership tends to be "flatter" than it is in China, less hierarchical and more consensus driven. With no standing committee or a single "paramount leader," Vietnam's full Politburo, which meets weekly, is involved in a broad range of decisions with consensus required on relatively minor decisions.

 

[xudoai]

Oh no.The last thing I want to see is millions of refugees flooding our Guangxi border.If that happens and you find yourself among them @xudoai, give me a call and I will take you in.Then you can be a chinese like you always wanted.

Do you living in Kuanxi ?

OK, I think about color revolution in China, when Kwuandong and Kwuanxi regained Independence from China, under leading of Hongkong_ren. I will visit Nan Yue Kwuo and I will call you very soon.

Nan Yue Kwuo flag.
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We are brothers.

 

[empirefighter]

Do you living in Kuanxi ?

OK, I think about color revolution in China, when Kwuandong and Kwuanxi regained Independence from China, under leading of Hongkong_ren. I will visit Nan Yue Kwuo and I will call you very soon.

Nan Yue Kwuo flag.
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Yue Nan Kwuo flag.

We are brothers.

You are so funny，the HK people must be very angry when you said brothers.lol
Guangdong and guangxi people are your brothers？ Come on，I dare to say，our emperors sent army into Vietnam to F you in history for thousands of times，each time most of soliders must come from these two region，since Chinese from other parts cannot suit this wet hot weather and easily get sick，so we are not your brothers，you should hate us. By the way，I am Cantonese or guangdong people.

 

[empirefighter]

I wonder where you get all this dramatic story about Sino-Vietnam war 1979. The actual cause is China sided with U.S. against Soviet union and forced Vietnam to follow China, however Vietnam refused which angry China. To prove U.S. that China is U.S. partner China attacked Vietnam.

Go back further, the relation between China and Vietnam was broken before that. It is due to

the great help of the Chinese in the Indochina War and the Vietnam War, the rift in diplomatic relations between the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and China have started to show since 1968. Hanoi at the same time keeping certain warm relationship with both Moscow and Beijing while the conflict between the Soviet Union and China were higher. Dissent between Hanoi and Beijing on how to conduct the war in South Vietnam became apparent. Hanoi Beijing want only to continue the guerrilla war against the US limits, while Hanoi wanted to wage war scale to their reunification. [9] And moreover, they want to live negotiations with the United States, no other country through an intermediary. [10] After the Tet, Hanoi started negotiations with the United States, while Beijing objected. [9]

In order word, China wants to use Vietnam as chess piece to negotiate with U.S. disregard of Vietnam desire to be independent and unification state. China wants Vietnam just like Korea to split North and South for several reasons; easy control, weaken Vietnam as rivalry, and uses Vietnam to negotiate with super power U.S. mainly economic assistant. Of course this scheme would not work for patriotic Vietnamese.

Finally dont even mention about the help, not all Vietnamese will appreciate that, especially Southern Vietnam. Southern Vietnamese hate China more than Northern because you Chinese aided the North to eliminate the South.

In case, you don't know Southern Vietnam at the time economic dominant by Hoa people. Let say if South Vietnam win the war, there would not be any Hoa expel and would not any land reform at all.

So, it was China policy back fire, not Vietnam to blame. Vietnam did not have much choice at the time, it was too busy to fight for unification and colonialism. Blame your PRC government instead.

What you said is not a secret，we of course want to see two Vietnams ，we donot want to see a unified and powerful Vietnam especially your country is very greedy，our government never hide this thought，I can read that easily in our books，our leaders were astonished of the falling of South Vietnam，we didnot expect the US army so vunerable. But，it is not our fault，it is very natural politics，in 1948 -1949 the CCP had taken half of China，KMT took the other part，the two powers were almost equal，at that time，the Stalin and US both persuaded us ceasing fire and kept two Chinas，Mao refused and took all the mainland. Are we angry with USSR or USA？No. The USSR and USA want to see two Chinas and that suit to their national interest，so we are not angry at all. If you Vietnam were angry，that only means you are not a mature country.
We DID help you A LOT to fight with France and USA，we sacrificed many lives for your country，without us，I doubt you can defeat France army？not to mention defeating USA！Your dirty country just find some minor excuses to deny ALL the help from us，and declared you defeating France，USA and China，it is very ridiculous and disgusting.
Unlike your country，USSR and USA hurt our national intetest much more than China did to you，China fought with both countries before，USSR and USA both threatened to use nuclear bombs to attack us before. Are we angry or stir hatred to them？ No . The USA fought with Japan for its own interest not for us in WW 2，but it DID help us and we are grateful，We also recored their help in our books，we memory their soldiers who died for us，we can tell the differences. There is no good or evil，just national interest.
Be mature，we donot need your thanks ，history is history，it is all passed，your country really no need to stir nationalism to against us，you donot have anything we really need，so the nationalusm can not hurt us because your country is not important to us. In fact， we Chineses donot hate Vietnam people，we donot like Vietnam people either，if your people are not so weird to hate us，I think we can be closer.

 

[Viet]

What you said is not a secret，we of course want to see two Vietnams ，we donot want to see a unified and powerful Vietnam especially your country is very greedy，our government never hide this thought，I can read that easily in our books，our leaders were astonished of the falling of South Vietnam，we didnot expect the US army so vunerable. But，it is not our fault，it is very natural politics，in 1948 -1949 the CCP had taken half of China，KMT took the other part，the two powers were almost equal，at that time，the Stalin and US both persuaded us ceasing fire and kept two Chinas，Mao refused and took all the mainland. Are we angry with USSR or USA？No. The USSR and USA want to see two Chinas and that suit to their national interest，so we are not angry at all. If you Vietnam were angry，that only means you are not a mature country.
We DID help you A LOT to fight with France and USA，we sacrificed many lives for your country，without us，I doubt you can defeat France army？not to mention defeating USA！Your dirty country just find some minor excuses to deny ALL the help from us，and declared you defeating France，USA and China，it is very ridiculous and disgusting.
Unlike your country，USSR and USA hurt our national intetest much more than China did to you，China fought with both countries before，USSR and USA both threatened to use nuclear bombs to attack us before. Are we angry or stir hatred to them？ No . The USA fought with Japan for its own interest not for us in WW 2，but it DID help us and we are grateful，We also recored their help in our books，we memory their soldiers who died for us，we can tell the differences. There is no good or evil，just national interest.
Be mature，we donot need your thanks ，history is history，it is all passed，your country really no need to stir nationalism to against us，you donot have anything we really need，so the nationalusm can not hurt us because your country is not important to us. In fact， we Chineses donot hate Vietnam people，we donot like Vietnam people either，if your people are not so weird to hate us，I think we can be closer.

I get headache when reading your bullshit.

 

[xudoai]

You are so funny，the HK people must be very angry when you said brothers.lol
Guangdong and guangxi people are your brothers？ Come on，I dare to say，our emperors sent army into Vietnam to F you in history for thousands of times，each time most of soliders must come from these two region，since Chinese from other parts cannot suit this wet hot weather and easily get sick，so we are not your brothers，you should hate us. By the way，I am Cantonese or guangdong people.

This is truth that Cantonese go to die in Vietnam for Han Chinese interest. ur emperor was no Cantonese, who came from North China. Cantonese were less agressive than north Chinese. You are naive followers, black soldiers, very sad, you are victims for the Viet-Han conflict in the past and recently in 1979. Viets forgiven you, like S. korean or Australian soldirs who joined to fight counter us in Vietnam war.

We taken cared in the past about Cantonese like our brother when Cantonese escapied from China to Vietnam. Today, in Vietnam 800,000 Hua chinese from Canton and Fujian are still ling in Vietnam.

Talking about color revolution, I do think about the day Cantonese could regain the Independence of Nan Yue Kwuo. If Cantonese dont like to be borother of Viets, you could take back Hua Chinese from Vietnam. You have your own country. flag, and etc. congrat to Cantonese people.