Coercion Sabotage Or Incompetence :---

[MastanKhan]

Yet another tirade by MK. No substance, only conjecture, assumption, and pipe vision theories.

Hi,

You are welcome----

 

[Avicenna]

With all due respect, I usually disagree with more than half of The original posters "tirades", however this is a question I have asked as well over the last 15 years. I am dumbfounded how PAF in particular didn't capitalize more on such an apparent advantageous situation to obtain additional assets. However, obviously all of us civilians out here are not in the know to the true realities that exist.

Still as a layman observer, couldn't PAF have extracted a more sizable package from the US?

In the present day, just watch how Israel is going to skillfully extract surplus
F-15s and more F-35s from Uncle Sam due to the Iran deal.

To the insiders with obviously more insight, what gives?

 

[MastanKhan]

Yet another tirade by MK. No substance, only conjecture, assumption, and pipe vision theories.

Hi,

That is a very interesting post---much bluster and no substance---.

Funny isn't it---that when viewed from two different perches----one shows your point of view---the other shows my point of view.

The difference is that your perch has a built in distortion screen which is preventing you from looking at the real issues---.

Mine has no built in restrictions.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Observing the developments of past decade or so, it is clear we have realized in a war scenario involving our arch enemy India it would not be a conventional one for too long. And for the little time it will stay conventional our PAF packs a good enough punch. We have gone leaps and bounds in missile development (trust me no military declares all it possesses and what we have declared on this front is already impressive enough). This gives PAF the luxury to flirt around checking goodies to only settle for the best one (which they will put their hands on the moment they see) while they make satisfactory progress on JF17

So I have full confidence in PAF and those who are managing the military apparatus, that they know what they are doing

Wow , I have one great Idea . As you said war wont be conventional ! then Y not dismantle all Armed Forces and only Have Atom Bombs , That will safe us almost 7 Billion$$$$$$$.
Come on Man !!!!!!! R you really serious ?????????
Now having confidence is other thing and asking and raising good , proper , relative Questions is Other!!!!!!!!!
Normally I never brings Religion in online forum Discussions But here I will .
Let me all Know What Quran says about War and Getting Ready for War and War Planning , And 100s of Hades Mubarak says ...... Let me tell you all Crying out loud defensive , defensive and man , man , man behind the machine "not the machine" against Islam .
Other vise The Order will be "Muslims be ready " instead "Have your Horses Ready"

 

[RealNapster]

PAF need to hurry up, even BD is talking about 50 pops of J10b induction from China. they don't have cash in hands, they just ambitious enough. A strategic move by China to counter balance India influence in BD.

If Pakistan ever decided to buy an other class of Aircraft. i wish it to be J-16.

 

[MastanKhan]

With all due respect, I usually disagree with more than half of The original posters "tirades", however this is a question I have asked as well over the last 15 years. I am dumbfounded how PAF in particular didn't capitalize more on such an apparent advantageous situation to obtain additional assets. However, obviously all of us civilians out here are not in the know to the true realities that exist.

Still as a layman observer, couldn't PAF have extracted a more sizable package from the US?

In the present day, just watch how Israel is going to skillfully extract surplus
F-15s and more F-35s from Uncle Sam due to the Iran deal.

To the insiders with obviously more insight, what gives?

Hi,

Even Collin Powel was literally shocked at the very weak demands of Pakistan---and the biggest shock was of no hard push on getting the F16's right away---.

As a matter of fact---the whole of the american administration was shocked---.

And our retd General Sahib is giving us a lecture over here---.

 

[Avicenna]

Hi,

Even Collin Powel was literally shocked at the very weak demands of Pakistan---and the biggest shock was of no hard push on getting the F16's right away---.

As a matter of fact---the whole of the american administration was shocked---.

And our retd General Sahib is giving us a lecture over here---.

Yea. I just don't get it!

 

[salman-1]

PAF attitude towards selecting an aircraft is like an old popular actress, the decision making still goes like older days of prime time, signing only few top director movies so she could not become a regular actress. Too choosey.
The future chart of PAF would be like two brothers pointing at each other's mistakes and deficiencies and those two are Jf17 and F-16. As these two would survive due to current attitude of Paf

 

[帅的一匹]

If Pakistan ever decided to buy an other class of Aircraft. i wish it to be J-16.

2 squadrons of J16 will be an deadly force. It's PAF's call, we will persuade Russia at any cost.

 

[RealNapster]

2 squadrons of J16 will be an deadly force. It's PAF's call, we will persuade Russia at any cost.

Russia agreed to sell engines for JF-17. they will also agree if we offer them, say, $ 2 million/jet. Now-a-days they only need money.

and i don't think /piece will cost more then $ 70 million. so i guess if we are for adding a new platform, why not in large number's ? so 5 Squadron's, yah. After-all, we Lack Medium weight and Heavy weight fighter's.

PAF attitude towards selecting an aircraft is like an old popular actress, the decision making still goes like older days of prime time, signing only few top director movies so she could not become a regular actress. Too choosey.

Atleast, she maintain her class.

 

[帅的一匹]

If China can sell J10b to BD, means we can offer anything to Pakistan theoretically.

Russia agreed to sell engines for JF-17. they will also agree if we offer them, say, $ 2 million/jet. Now-a-days they only need money.

and i don't think /piece will cost more then $ 70 million. so i guess if we are for adding a new platform, why not in large number's ? so 5 Squadron's, yah. After-all, we Lack Medium weight and Heavy weight fighter's.



Atleast, she maintain her class.

Even 5 millions a peice copyright fee per J16 sale, China will pay for it. We can't ask Pakistan to burden the cost.

As India again provoke along the border by sending Puppet Dalai Lama to "Arunachal Pradesh", we will respond them at any cost, selling J10b to BD is one of them. And we will push stronger relationship with Pakistan sooner, something is in the making as well.

 

[Darth Vader]

Hi,

The question I have been thinking for over the last 15 1/2 years since 9 / 11 and I could not find a reasonable answer to that is---" why did the Paf not buy a potent fighter aircraft right after agreeing to the alliance with the USA after sept 26---9 / 11.

The F16's were in a sorry state---almost ready to fall out of the skies---. Paf had woefully depleted assets due to sanctions---it did not even show up for a major battle happening at Kargil---and yet when the opportune moment arrived---there was no urgency shown to make the dash to get the aircraft.

Was the Paf worried that if they procured the right aircraft---the army would start a war with india---?

Was the Paf scared of engaging the indian air force if the army got into a war---?

Or was it coerced by another " party " to hold on tight and do nothing.

As the tale of coercion of Gen Kiyani with the U S govt is coming out---was there a similar action taking place between the Paf generals and the U S---was the U S forcing them to sit tight---or the Pakistan air force decided on its own not to build parity against the enemy air force assets---?

It is a baffling issue---an air force that was desperate yesterday and begging for the removal sanctions so desperately---so that they could get the right aircraft to protect the nation---did not avail the opportunity for 4 years and 6 months to sign the deal for the right aircraft---.

It is just like a heart patient desperately begging for heart surgery for 10 + years refusing to get it when it becomes available---.

@MastanKhan
If you Could Answer me Please Why You Keep Repeating Same BS week after Week
From Your History you are intentionally always Trying to defame Pakistani Armed Forces

Yes No one is Beyond critisim , and a Tax Paying Nation has the Right to Ask What his Goverment , and armed Forces are Doing
In Past 3 Decades Paksitani Forces has Done Way Better than if any other counter part was in Similar Situation

Now the imaginary Money , and Planes you Think Would have been added Woudnt have Pakistan had Only 2 Real Options
1 F 16 ( Depends if Uncle Sam is Happy with You )
2 J 10 ( wasnt Matured Enough , Pakistan was already Busy With Thunder )
There is No need for Pakistan to Go with J 10 now Because Pakistan is already producing a aircraft which gives the almost Same Capbilities with Thunder Blocks , and F16 .

Please Stop Your Emotional BS .

 

[RealNapster]

If China can sell J10b to BD, means we can offer anything to Pakistan theoretically.


Even 5 millions a peice copyright fee per J16 sale, China will pay for it. We can't ask Pakistan to burden the cost.

So nice of You.

But i think if Pak can buy 50-60 million/piece jet. there is no harm in spending a bit more.

 

[帅的一匹]

Pakistan is China's closet ally and friends, one shall always bear it in mind.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan really has to smell the coffee and get their modernization goals ramped up

• J10B, is a reasonable platform and it is available and China is a stable partner induct 60 Jets
• Reserve space for 40-60 Typhoons

Introduce , 2 newer planes that don't need MLU to Air force and then back it up with JF17 Block 3


WE ARE DONE with modernization goals for short term

Bring in J-20 , after 5-7 years

It is quite logical