COAS met Turkish Minister of National Defence at GHQ

[StormBreaker]

I don't know how clued up you are, Erdogen has already expressed desire for nukes.

@StormBreaker , its a common knowledge that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia got similar deal when it comes to providing nuke umbrella to the kingdom. Its not a public document or agreement per say, but there is a lot written about it over the years. Something similar can be done with Turkey as well.

Besides, we have to think about our own national interests and look at extending our strategic depth to every corner of the planet, step by step. We cant simply stay in our shell and perpetually be on receiving end of the enemy nations pushing our strategic depth right on our borders and worse, like it happened in post 9/11, inside our borders. We have to wisen up, we have to use our strengths as leverages.

Providing a nuclear umbrella and providing nukes is a different game altogether..

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Erdogan has not made moves towards making nukes or any of his officials in the govt as well, what you are quoting your sources is from several articles posted by mainly neo-conservative think tanks in Washington in 2015/2016 to hype up another excuse to squeeze Turkey away from thinking to "balance" its relations with Russia,China and Iran and place them firmly in the western camp, Turkey knows its place well, economically they are integrated with west, Erdogan can bark all he wants about America but we saw in 2018 its all bark they hit his economy real bad and the Lira he was forces to give up that Brunson dude easily what it shows Turkey has false sense of "bravado" so why would they want to take risks with nukes. As for us being in a shell we are what are as a people and nation the problem is we act like "followers" not leaders despite having nukes and strong armed forces we rather follow and try to act like servants for regional and world powers thats not right

Here you go. Do the maths.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...urkey-cant-have-nuclear-weapons-idUSKCN1VP2QN

Erdogan says it's unacceptable that Turkey can't have nuclear weapons


Why do you think Turks are getting very close to Pakistan? Its not a rocket science really. Let me remind you, we helped the Persian as well in past. But I doubt here we are looking at whole cumbersome and now almost impossible (due to nuclear export regimes) building of nuclear programme from scratch, rather just nukes and delivery system, just like what Turkey got atm with American nukes placed on its soil under NATO agreement. Something similar between two sovereign states, Pakistan and Turkey can be agreed upon.

Providing a nuclear umbrella and providing nukes is a different game altogether..

Not really. Atm NATO (America) provide nuke umbrella to Turkey by placing its nukes in Incerlik airbase. Something similar can be arranged.

 

[Yankee-stani]

if we help turkey, that will build pressure on Russia, to engage pakistan, rethink its relations with india, cancel S-400 and now that Akula 2 sub deals with it along with Nuclear co-operation and Brahmos agreements with it.
Russian ambassador to India has clearly said that Kashmir is an internal matter of India, it supports the indian stance as it has always been doing since Cold War era!

In SCO Its Russian Head had rejected Pakistan's request to involve and intervene and he refused saying Pakistan and India should not bring in their problem there even though its written in its charter that no country can attack each other and Pakistan did that back in march/april right after operation swift retort of india attacking Pakistan.

Now read this, They have also vetoed the recent resolutions on Kashmir along with 5 others!
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...-kashmir-issue-again-at-unsc-indian-analysts/

This Syria of Bashar Al Asad is also on the side of India on Kashmir issue Syrian Ambassador to India has also said that Kashmir is an internal matter of India just like its Russian Master had said! even though its a UN recognized disputed territory. Removing him from Syria will serve our interests well. And will help making consensus on Kashmir issue as well.

As for Russia, it must end its relations with India if it wants to realistically realize its wishful thinking of ruling our Muslim World, as Countries like Pakistan are the ultimate Kings of this side of the World!

Russia meanwhile who is scared of selling us mere AK47s for the sake of its time tested and strategic ally India with whom it has a 30 years old strategic partnership and yr probably thinking that its still a friend of Pakistan, no its not! Vladimir Putin had made it clear that in 2015 that relations with Pakistan will never be at the cost of India and this is what he meant, below is the link of those AK47s, Pakistan was trying to buy them for FC.

https://theprint.in/defence/russia-...s-assures-india-of-no-deals-in-future/264004/

U my friend really need to stop reading RT too much.....Russia is of no use for Pakistan! Pakistan's only friends in this World are two Turkey and China, who stand up with us in our times of need, they are our time tested strategic friends! and if they r in need of something, we must also help them.

Turkey is hosting about 4 million of the Syrian refugees its taking the economical burden of them all by herself! Its in its right to fully intervene in Syrian affair since it directly effects its National security, it doesn't effects Russia's nor is Russia hosting Syrian refugees besides, its part of our own Muslim World, and its own problems is our business not some Christian Russia's.

Meanwhile this is what their media is reporting.......Abt President Erdogan's Kashmir remarks.
https://sputniknews.com/world/20200...-erdogan-over-his-kashmir-remark-in-pakistan/

While clearly India is being pampered by both Israel and America as a counterbalance to China in South Asia and in Indian Ocean, this is what Russian media is telling China. LOL
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...-south-asia-not-an-option-for-india-analysts/

Russia must realize that its no longer a Soviet Union, its today a Country with only less then 150 million population, even Bangladesh has more then that what to speak of a powerful Country like Pakistan, who lives in a region and is key to her where 1/6th of the total Earth's population lives, and now specially post crimea crisis its heavily sanctioned country, the only 2 things Pakistan is really interested is its first UNSC vote on Kashmir by respecting the Pakistani stance, 2nd Its energy and Defence. Beyond that it does not offer anything to offer to a country the size of Pakistan who is 5th largest country on this planet Earth!

There is nothing really economical or strategic it can offer be it in SCO, BRICs or whatever. So speaking strictly from Pakistani interests in mind, there is nothing Russia can offer to Pakistan or can it?

o mister pathan! yr some 18 years old living in America, so u probably dont know our history ie the history of this region, there is a reason why Imran Khan has said that Turkic people ruled South Asia for centuries during Pres. Erdogan's visit to Pakistan!

We are with them, no matter what, and we dont care!


respect is earned kakay! these ruskies r underestimating pakistan a lot! its time to earn that respect back how we earned back in 1980s. Make these huge armed forces of pakistan to something useful!

Funny you stoop so low by using my ethnic origins which is pretty mixed to score points [USER=147976]@Rasengan @Desert Fox @Mangus Ortus Novem @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Old School @StormBreaker you see this is the problem with many Pakistanis on this fourm and in real life they engage in group think be it the psuedo-liberals and pseudo-Islamists they want you think like them no debate just name calling by claiming your a "Irani" agent and blah blah, anyways what has Pakistan done for Kashmir in the last two decades before IK came into power nothing,Mushy cucked out, Nawaz was too busy thinking about looting the country and being bhai with Modi we have traitors in our govt and elite they fooled the public about "Kashmir" and did nothing and IDGAF about stances from Turkey or China this pep talk for the lugenpresse Pak media to soothe Public frustration over the Govt incompetence of Kashmir, Kashmir will only be liberated by PAKISTANIS ONLY NOT BY TURKS,CHINESE,IRANIANS OR ETC the foreign nations be it Muslim or non Muslim sorry to suffice have only relations with us for their geo-political strategy nothing wrong on their part but we should stop deluding ourselves to think they are with us on KASHMIR .We could use their rivalry with India in Asia for our benefit but we should know one thing KASHMIR IS PAKISTANI issue not someone elses.As for Russia of course they have long standing ties with New Delhi going back to the Soviet Era just like China has close ties with Pakistan since Chairman Mao however both Russia(prev.USSR) and China had only geo-political interests to maintain ties with South Asia juggernauts like Pakistan and India cause during the Cold War China and USSR were fierce Rivals .They did ally with respective nations not because the view us as respective "brothers" or comrades .I tell you what would a average Muscovite care about Indians hell no they prolly view them as "exotic" brown people who s..t on street same goes for a average Beijinger would they view Pakistanis as "iron brothers" perhaps they know that propaganda from school that but to them Pakistanis are aliens even though we share a 500 km border heck Western China is foreign to Bejingers or anyone from Eastern China anyways they prolly view us backward bunch same goes for an average Turk in Istanbul they may think of us a fellow "Muslims" but tad bit too Conservative or Fundamentalist for Turkey, my point is when you past through all the govt propaganda and slogans you notice one thing its all for interests not for love of us if we want Kashmir to be highlighted dont expect anyone to do the heavy lifting its GOTTA BE US!!.As for me reading too much RT yes its funded by the Kremlin as for you should stop smoking TRT which is a propaganda outlet from the Turkish dear "Sultan" Erdogan[/USER]

 

[Rasengan]

Funny you stoop so low by using my ethnic origins which is pretty mixed to score points [USER=147976]@Rasengan @Desert Fox @Mangus Ortus Novem @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Old School @StormBreaker you see this is the problem with many Pakistanis on this fourm and in real life they engage in group think be it the psuedo-liberals and pseudo-Islamists they want you think like them no debate just name calling by claiming your a "Irani" agent and blah blah, anyways what has Pakistan done for Kashmir in the last two decades before IK came into power nothing,Mushy cucked out, Nawaz was too busy thinking about looting the country and being bhai with Modi we have traitors in our govt and elite they fooled the public about "Kashmir" and did nothing and IDGAF about stances from Turkey or China this pep talk for the lugenpresse Pak media to soothe Public frustration over the Govt incompetence of Kashmir, Kashmir will only be liberated by PAKISTANIS ONLY NOT BY TURKS,CHINESE,IRANIANS OR ETC the foreign nations be it Muslim or non Muslim sorry to suffice have only relations with us for their geo-political strategy nothing wrong on their part but we should stop deluding ourselves to think they are with us on KASHMIR .We could use their rivalry with India in Asia for our benefit but we should know one thing KASHMIR IS PAKISTANI issue not someone elses.As for Russia of course they have long standing ties with New Delhi going back to the Soviet Era just like China has close to Pakistan since Chairman Mao however both Russia(prev.USSR) and China had only geo-political interests to maintain ties with South Asia juggernauts like Pakistan and India since in the Cold War China and USSR were fierce Rivals not because the view us as respective "brothers" or comrades I tell you would a average Muscovite care about Indians hell no they prolly view them as "exotic" brown people who s..t on street same goes for a average Beijinger would they view Pakistanis as "iron brothers" perhaps they know that propaganda from school that but to them Pakistanis are aliens even though we share a 500 km border heck Western China is foreign to Bejingers or anyone from Eastern China anyways they prolly view us backward bunch same goes for an average Turk in Istanbul they may think of us a fellow "Muslims" but tad bit too Conservative or Fundamentalist for Turkey, my point is when you past through all the govt propaganda and slogans you notice one thing its all for interests not for love of us if we want Kashmir to be highlighted dont expect anyone to do the heavy lifting its GOTTA BE US!!.As for me reading too much RT yes its funded by the Kremlin as for you should stop smoking TRT which is a propaganda outlet from the Turkish dear "Sultan" Erdogan[/USER]

I agree wholeheartedly with your post. I was debating certain Pakistani's on this forum and they couldn't argue on point. One of them questioned whether I was a Pakistan and the other called me a Munafiq. The only conclusion was to ignore these fools. They have nothing better to do in life but pretend to be armchair analysis. When someone brings your ethnicity into the equation he is the real enemy of Pakistan. When someone doesn't look at the national interests of our nation he is the real enemy of Pakistan. No one will help Pakistan on Kashmir unless we first become an economic power house. Nobody listens to the beggar because his status in society is below the pecking order. There is more than one way to fight a war. The problem is Pakistan is stuck in the past instead of moving with the times.