Close air support- DO WE GOT A DEDICATED PLANE TO DELIVER IT

[owcc]

The problem with IAF is that in the coming decade all our planes will be like su30,mig29,pakfa t50, MMRCA.All these aircraft are heavy frontline fighters.In this scenario the airforce will look like an army with zillion tanks and no infantry.Big muscle alone isnt enough we should tone it with also with some good oil.Close support fighters should be acquired in the coming decade .

 

[flanker143]

Has every One forgotten The Jaguar and Mig 27 ???

yes sir they r gud .... but sadly they nearing the end of their service life.....

Ofcourse UCAV will be way better but I brought Hawk because it has such capability (when added with appropriate weapons) and is an option currently we have.

but that wud certainly require sum software (hardware not sure ) upgrades...

 

[IndianArmy]

The problem with IAF is that in the coming decade all our planes will be like su30,mig29,pakfa t50, MMRCA.All these aircraft are heavy frontline fighters.In this scenario the airforce will look like an army with zillion tanks and no infantry.Big muscle alone isnt enough we should tone it with also with some good oil.Close support fighters should be acquired in the coming decade .

You probably are wrong here dear, because the main Intention of Light Fighter trainers are usually for This Purpose.... IJT sitara, Hawk, Jaguar,Mig 27 These Could very well adopt the role... Or Even in some cases, you can expect helicopters for this role....

Helicopters are the best for giving Cover fire to the troops.... Especially Light Agile and Maneuverable helicopters Like our very own LCH

 

[IndianArmy]

yes sir they r gud .... but sadly they nearing the end of their service life.....

I Dint Get You, Such aircrafts are best Suited and Most preferred for such roles, they are Not asked to do front Line fighting , Just a couple of sorties to Help the allied troops...

 

[owcc]

You probably are wrong here dear, because the main Intention of Light Fighter trainers are usually for This Purpose.... IJT sitala, Hawk, Jaguar,Mig 27 These Could very well adopt the role... Or Even in some cases, you can expect helicopters for this role....

Helicopters are the best for giving Cover fire to the troops.... Especially Light Agile and Maneuverable helicopters Like our very own LCH

You are absolutely right but in our neighbourhood helicopters alone wont do the trick atleast not with our current adverseries

 

[Dash]

Looking at the mountaneous region of our borders, can the armed version of C130 with mouted 155 mm gun be a better choice, fire from sky with LOS and NLOS munitions?....

It can complement the bofors and light artilery right?...
BUt it will be a easy target for SAMs and fighters....what say?

 

[IndianArmy]

You are absolutely right but in our neighbourhood helicopters alone wont do the trick atleast not with our current adverseries

Do Not Underestimate Helicopters My Dear... After all Attack helicopters are made for such roles... In kargil MI 17 did the Job, But It was shot down, as It was not light,agile and most importantly Maneuverable.

 

[IndianArmy]

Looking at the mountaneous region of our borders, can the armed version of C130 with mouted 155 mm gun be a better choice, fire from sky with LOS and NLOS munitions?....

It can complement the bofors and light artilery right?...
BUt it will be a easy target for SAMs and fighters....what say?

We have Tu-142 to do the job, But Its Vulnerable.... Gone are the days of Bombing run..... Today Bombing is possible but not run

 

[flanker143]

Originally Posted by flanker143
yes sir they r gud .... but sadly they nearing the end of their service life.....

I Dint Get You, Such aircrafts are best Suited and Most preferred for such roles, they are Not asked to do front Line fighting , Just a couple of sorties to Help the allied troops...

oh i just meant the mig 27s and jags........

 

[flanker143]

We have Tu-142 to do the job, But Its Vulnerable.... Gone are the days of Bombing run..... Today Bombing is possible but not run

thats why i voted for ucavs......

 

[Dash]

We have Tu-142 to do the job, But Its Vulnerable.... Gone are the days of Bombing run..... Today Bombing is possible but not run

Good to have you back Sir

Tu-142 is a stragic bomber, where as what iam talking about is C-13 Spooky, which is a gunship and ground attack craft. Its armed with 25 mm gatling gun 105mm howitzers.

the US is planning to upgrade it with M102 howitzers which also have rocket assisted projectiles. These guns have 6-7 Km range and can be very effective if the Spooky remains at high altitude while supporting ground troops. They can also carry hellfire missiles.

Effective with chaffs and flare dispencing system, what do you think it can do while supporting ground troop moving towards enemy teritory?..

please let me know

 

[illuminatidinesh]

We have Tu-142 to do the job, But Its Vulnerable.... Gone are the days of Bombing run..... Today Bombing is possible but not run

No sir Tu-142 is really out of question, we are going to replace them with the P8.
The USAF in the beginning used the Wild Weasel (F4G phantom II) On the other hand, the Soviets preferred to use modified stand-off interceptors such as the Mikoyan MiG-25BM and missile-armed bombers such as the Tupolev Tu-22M to destroy targets from a distance rather than up-close.
Current Status

A change in aircraft design theory to stress versatile multirole aircraft meant that the F-4G was the last aircraft specifically outfitted for the SEAD role. The Wild Weasel mission is now assigned to the F-16 Fighting Falcon, using the Block 50 and Block 52, with production beginning in 1991. The single-seat Block 50/52 F-16C is specifically tasked with this mission. The pilot now performs both the role of flying the airplane and targeting and employing against ground threats. Other aircraft, such as the F-15E Strike Eagle and A-10 Thunderbolt II "Warthog", while capable of engaging mobile SAM launchers and anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) in a CAS role lack the avionics to perform a true SEAD mission.

The F-35 Lightning II is slated to gradually replace these aircraft for various air-to-ground roles, including SEAD, beginning with its introduction in 2011. Its stealth capabilities promise a significant increase in effectiveness against air-defense radars, though to maintain its lowest radar signature, its payload capacity would be limited to the internal weapons bays, reducing the number of missile site attacks per sortie. However, it can carry more or larger air to ground weapons internally than even the F-22 and is more advanced, making it the best manned aircraft for destroying sophisticated enemy air defenses.

So I think we use the aircraft which we already have. MIG 27will suit us a lot, Mirage in high altitude(already proven) and ultimately Su30 MKI as last resort.
Just my view.
Ya I do love that F4G phantom and A-10.

 

[IndianArmy]

Good to have you back Sir

Tu-142 is a stragic bomber, where as what iam talking about is C-13 Spooky, which is a gunship and ground attack craft. Its armed with 25 mm gatling gun 105mm howitzers.

the US is planning to upgrade it with M102 howitzers which also have rocket assisted projectiles. These guns have 6-7 Km range and can be very effective if the Spooky remains at high altitude while supporting ground troops. They can also carry hellfire missiles.

Effective with chaffs and flare dispencing system, what do you think it can do while supporting ground troop moving towards enemy teritory?..

please let me know

Well Chaffs nd Flares cannot help All the time for such huge aircrafts, Chaffs and Flares Might not come in handy, It can Play its role in the battle field, but cannot survive, and the Strategists would not go for that option unless Otherwise its a Wake Up call for the Enemy....

Well It can Land Para troopers Clearing the area, if in a covert operation... But In a full Scale war using this In Place of Artillery is Not a wise option..... But Again, it would be good if , A big IF , The Enemy Air defense is Neutralized....

In todays Network-centric warfare Arenas, Its difficult to judge the enemy...