‘Clash’ between Asif, Fahim averted

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yeah I m curious as well Interceptor - where do die hard PPP supporters like yourself see your loyalties lying? With the party and its "ideology" - or with personalities like Zardari, who is not even a Bhutto, and seems to me to be trying to keep strong leaders, who could move the center of power away from "Bhutto" and therefore his son, out of positions like the PM.

 

[Interceptor]

This is going to be fun. Interceptor.. lets just say there IS a division, which seems more likely. Are you going to be loyal to the Zulfiqars or Amin Fahim?

There is no Bhutto in Zardari!

But Bhutto never said I am Bhutto, in one of his famous speeches he said "there is one Bhutto standing here in this body in this sole and the other is standing there in you what I am is you" then why does Bhutto to you mean ONLY, if you were of from Bhutto dynasty could you be called Bhutto. Bhutto is alive and that is the message you missed, he is alive because we say his name and recalled his favours to this great nation that is the PPP slogan "Bhutto zinda hia" and this means Mr Amin Fahim or any other PPP leader could take power of the PPP if this establishment murders Mr Zardari tomorrow then there will be another leader standing in his place of the PPP. We call our self muslims but we advertise the message peace and one god... however the message came from Mohammed so we always associate him in the message. Bhutto gave his life and never surrendered he died and yet the people then who siezed power the the then Pervez Elahis and Sheik Rashids are not known in common knowledge to any person but they do know Bhutto. We say Bhutto because the legacy he left for this country it has lived on, my family was not a Bhutto supporter but we are now I have read my history yes my countries history and I know.

Therefore there is a Bhutto in Zardari and in Amin Fahim and all other PPP leaders.

I cant understand why you have so much hate for the Bhutto's who gave there lives for this country you call Mr Zardari Mr 10% while knowing full well this was propoganda was initiated by the Nawaz and MQM supporters. You said BB had deal with PML-Q had a power sharring deal yet you knew full well it was to do with proceeding to election that is why BB came back to Pakitan you knew full well she wanted a transparent election commision and stuart government in the end this was what every body knows now.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You have the reason for our dislike of the Bhutto's, specifically BB Murhoom and Zardari, and may I add NS, all wrong. We do not hate them for being Bhutto's or Sarif's - we dislike them because they trumpet democracy and "strengthening the system and institutions", yet by appointing life time Chairpersons and centering the party around family, they show their actions to be diametrically opposed to the ideals they espouse and destroy the institution of the parties they lead.

If Fahim becomes PM, I may still be convinced that Zardari has the best interest of the country and the party at heart, but that isn't looking so good right now.

 

[EagleEyes]

Interceptor,

I understand your feelings and opinion. But you still haven't answered my question. If Amin Fahim is a Bhutto (for the theory of late Mr. Zulfiqar Ali), why based things off the blood then? Give the seat to Mr. Amin Fahim.. for the sake of this nation and not entitle to some kid who is still studying.. or even his corrupt father.

As far as 10% is concerned. Please dont correct me or call it a 'propaganda'.. i am well aware of the percentage issue.

 

[MastanKhan]

Interceptor,

Please don't address the member like that. Fatman deems a lot more respect than that---.

Man, these last two or three days I am playing a refree---.

Anyway---Amin Fahim is suffering the pain of rejection---only if he realizes that the mother also suffered this rejection by him twice---twice she called him for help and both the times he turned away from her---seeking sanctuary in the security of someone else arms.

The mother over here is the nation---our motherland---the sanctuary is Benazir---Amin turned away from his nation twice---both the times the nation was in desperate need for someone honest, capable, a leader who could take it out of the quagmire that it was stuck in---but alas---the man didnot have it in him to step upto the plate and take the challeneg---he hid behind the skirts of loyalty all his life---TALIB UL MAULA incidently didnot bear a man child a leader of nation but rather a follower---father and son---same legacy same results---followers to the last---followers to the end. What a shame---a tragic loss for pakistan.

 

[fatman17]

Are you on crack? The PPP isn't telling who the PM is because the establishment may place road blocks for it, therefore it the next PM will be announced when the government is going to call the elected parliamentarians for oath taking.

thanks for the compliment! I also feel like calling you names but I have my self-respect to keep. we will see who gets the last laugh!

 

[fatman17]

Interceptor,

Please don't address the member like that. Fatman deems a lot more respect than that---.

Man, these last two or three days I am playing a refree---.

Anyway---Amin Fahim is suffering the pain of rejection---only if he realizes that the mother also suffered this rejection by him twice---twice she called him for help and both the times he turned away from her---seeking sanctuary in the security of someone else arms.

The mother over here is the nation---our motherland---the sanctuary is Benazir---Amin turned away from his nation twice---both the times the nation was in desperate need for someone honest, capable, a leader who could take it out of the quagmire that it was stuck in---but alas---the man didnot have it in him to step upto the plate and take the challeneg---he hid behind the skirts of loyalty all his life---TALIB UL MAULA incidently didnot bear a man child a leader of nation but rather a follower---father and son---same legacy same results---followers to the last---followers to the end. What a shame---a tragic loss for pakistan.

well put! according to nusrat javed (who professes to know everyone) amin fahim is a poet & malang. so his behaviour is understandable.

 

[araz]

The fact is Brothers, the next few days will tell us which way we are and more importantly Mr 10 % is going. I suspect he will keep the guessing game going for as long as he can afford to. To what benefit, remains unclear at the moment. He may want to keep certain alliances guessing and therefore complying with his commands till such time that the National Assembly is called. It may prevent Forward Blocks forming before hand and may prevent too much harm prior to the announcement of PM. Once the party starts to crack up, he may UNWILLINGLY drag himself into the limelight and float his nomination as the saviour of the nation and democracy. NS will give him his wholehearted support and he will achieve his ultimate dream of absolute power.
my 2 Ps worth , take it on its face value .
Araz

 

[mujahideen]

PML-N vetoes Amin Fahim

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) on Monday rejected the name of Makhdoom Amin Fahim as the PPP’s nominee for premiership. Senior PML-N leader Khwaja Asif told Daily Times that Amin Fahim was not acceptable to his party as prime minister. “He has been meeting the people in establishment, so he cannot be trusted as a nominee of the coalition,” he said. Asif said Nawaz Sharif had categorically said that the prime minister should not be a “wired person with his antenna opening up in non-political quarters”. Makhdoom Amin Fahim would not be acceptable to his party, he said. staff report

Courtesy Daily Times

 

[mujahideen]

Fahim says CEC should decide PM candidate

By Ashraf Mumtaz

LAHORE, March 10: Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarians leader Makhdoom Amin Fahim says that a decision about who should be the party’s candidate for the office of prime minister should be taken by the party’s central executive committee, rather than by any other organisation.

Talking to Dawn on Monday, he said he had not withdrawn his candidacy, despite the fact that some other party leaders were also vying for the job.

He pointed out that other parties had given their parliamentary leaders a lead role, which was a good precedent for all parties to follow.

Although he did not say in so many words, he obviously meant that he wanted the PPP to give him the same role which other parties had given to their parliamentary leaders.

When his attention was drawn to reports that Mr Asif Ali Zardari could eventually himself become the prime minister after a few months, Mr Fahim said if the PPP co-chairman had such a plan he should make it public.

He reiterated that he was the president of the party (PPP Parliamentarians) that had won the Feb 18 elections and thus had a stronger claim to the office of the prime minister.

Replying to a question, he said he would ask Mr Zardari to take a stern action against the party leader who had failed to deliver him (Mr Fahim) the invitation for Sunday’s meeting between the PPP and the PML-N leaders in Murree. He said the man who had told Mr Zardari that he (Mr Fahim) was busy and could not attend the meeting should be proceeded against for making a misstatement.

He said everybody should bear in mind that he was the president of the country’s biggest party which had won the polls and he was not a ‘guest player’.

About the decisions taken at the Murree meeting, he said that only time would tell to what extent they were correct. He said the party’s constitutional experts would see whether the deposed judges could be reinstated through a resolution of the National Assembly.

Mr Fahim said that reports about his alleged contacts with PML-Q were baseless as he had made no contact with anyone.

Talking to a private TV channel, he said: “Operation Goodnight Plan’ was only a story and he had never been in contact with PML-Q for formation of the government to become prime minister.

“I totally reject such reports. Those who know about these reports could interpret it better,” he said.

Mr Fahim said he had been offered prime minister’s slot several times but he had refused such offers all together.

In reply to a question about supporting a candidate nominated by the party, the PPP leader said it would be decided after the announcement of the name.

Fahim says CEC should decide PM candidate -DAWN - Top Stories; March 11, 2008

 

[mujahideen]

ARD condemns ‘character assassination’ of Fahim: Khan

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy (ARD) Senior Vice President Rao Javed Ali Khan on Tuesday strongly condemned what he termed ‘baseless allegations and character assassination’ of ARD President Makhdoom Amin Faheem by Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leader Khwaja Muhammad Asif.

He said Fahim was the most respected and trusted leader of the ARD and a politician of impeccable character. The ARD condemns the “filthy act” and requests PML-N chief Mian Nawaz Sharif to take serious action against Asif, Khan added.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[EagleEyes]

Obviously, it seems that Asif told Nawaz to create a "bakhla" over Mr. Makhdoom Fahim being the candidate of the Prime Minister.

Asif and Nawaz are playing dirty politics. If they have some pride left on who they are, they should support Mr. Fahim.

 

[araz]

Obviously, it seems that Asif told Nawaz to create a "bakhla" over Mr. Makhdoom Fahim being the candidate of the Prime Minister.

Asif and Nawaz are playing dirty politics. If they have some pride left on who they are, they should support Mr. Fahim.

Webby.
The fact is that Makhdoom Amin Fahim is probably too weak a man to hold the post. Believe me Pakistan cannot be run by a weakling. If you go into Mukhdooms History during Bhuttos times and after, you may find that he may be loyal but does not have the gumption to take on PMship of Pakistan. Like it or not Zardari may not prove to be that bad . There is only that much that you can loot!! He may have to think of afterwards and that means developmentand hopefully progress. Or perhaps i live in a fools paradise!! Any way only time will tell what happens and who is going to turn out to be good for the country.
araz

 

[fatman17]

Webby.
The fact is that Makhdoom Amin Fahim is probably too weak a man to hold the post. Believe me Pakistan cannot be run by a weakling. If you go into Mukhdooms History during Bhuttos times and after, you may find that he may be loyal but does not have the gumption to take on PMship of Pakistan. Like it or not Zardari may not prove to be that bad . There is only that much that you can loot!! He may have to think of afterwards and that means developmentand hopefully progress. Or perhaps i live in a fools paradise!! Any way only time will tell what happens and who is going to turn out to be good for the country.
araz

Dear araz - once a thief, always a thief. you see looting is like a smoking habit. its difficult to break. he has already broken his word on the PM issue with-in 3 weeks.
we will be the laughing stock of the world if he is chosen as PM.

 

[mujahideen]

Dear araz - once a thief, always a thief. you see looting is like a smoking habit. its difficult to break. he has already broken his word on the PM issue with-in 3 weeks.
we will be the laughing stock of the world if he is chosen as PM.

I agree. Zardari is a theif and as soon as he takes power we will go bankrupt. I think Fahim should be made Prime Minister, the people like him.