Church Should Introspect on its Mission: Jiji Thomson

[rubyjackass]

LOL...... you are calling it a good decision by BJP ? What happened to "intolerance" debate ?

Why is "communal" BJP taking additional steps to help the "minority' who anyway will never vote for them ?

Because it is the sane thing to do. The article explains why the government is forcing the banks to do it. If banks are being too risk-averse, and if there is a minority quota all loans would be given to Jains and such well-to-do business communities. Read what 'priority sector' lending means to understand.

WRONG. This is encouraging Conversion with State Funding.

A Hindu with a loan will get a loan waiver if he converts to Christianity.

Incorrect.

A Hindu with a load will get a loan waiver even if he converts to Christianity.

How about Modi implement this same strategy for Hindus ? People who do ghar wapsi will get a loan waiver. Especially poor muslims.

I have already quoted the relevant Civil Service rules that it breaches.

If he breaches his employment rules, well his employers will take care. You can always file a case if they don't. Which rule was it? I could not find in your post.

What if Modi and his entire MP's and MLA's do Gharwapsi after 5:00 PM and ask all Bureaucrats to do the same ? Are you OK with this "persona choice" of Modi ?

Sure. No problem. I thought a good number of them are already doing that. Being an MP and MLA, they are not even bound by the employment rules to try gharwapsi in their free time.

As for the bureaucrats, to ask them to do Gharwapsi is illegal and will probably invite suo-moto from SC

Churches should give it a rest and accept the fact that there is no God up there only stars, galaxies and milkyways.

Instead of proselytizing and baptizing herd of sheeps the vast amount of resources could be better utilized for human development and empowerment, even from religious point of view most of the world is already Christian why the fcuk do we need more sheeps to follow some imaginary sky daddy. When Christians all over the world are becoming increasingly atheist we are going downward.

No religion is true all bogus and bullshit, people should understand that there are N number of other better things to do in life than shoving your personal religious insecurities down to others throats

The latest converts to any religion are the most chest-beating about it.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Name any religion which doesn't say so................What If You feel i am a adharmi.......Plz Spare me .........I am a poor Indian with 2 kids and a wife...........................

When the time comes I doubt if anyone will be spared.

A Hindu with a loan will get a loan waiver if he converts to Christianity.

How about Modi implement this same strategy for Hindus ? People who do ghar wapsi will get a loan waiver. Especially poor muslims.

It should be done anyway. Modi is a Hindu. And he has the right to call for conversion.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Because it is the sane thing to do. The article explains why the government is forcing the banks to do it. If banks are being too risk-averse, and if there is a minority quota all loans would be given to Jains and such well-to-do business communities. Read what 'priority sector' lending means to understand.

BJP is doing it for social impact. Not Vote back politics. This is what you are unwilling to acknowledge.

Not minority appeasement, but sabka saath sabka vikaas.

But Muslims do not want to acknowledge this do they ? they wan to have the cake and eat it too .... they want to call Modi "communal" and at the same time enjoy the fruits of his true secularism.

Finally Priority sector spending does not have to be based on religion. It can be religion neutral too. It can be done purely based on Risk assessment. BJP govt. has asked the banks to go BEYOND risk assessment and disburse to minorities in proportion to their population.

Incorrect.
A Hindu with a load will get a loan waiver even if he converts to Christianity.

Wrong. The article clearly says its for christian ONLY.

If he breaches his employment rules, well his employers will take care. You can always file a case if they don't. Which rule was it? I could not find in your post.

#13

Sure. No problem. I thought a good number of them are already doing that. Being an MP and MLA, they are not even bound by the employment rules to try gharwapsi in their free time.

As for the bureaucrats, to ask them to do Gharwapsi is illegal and will probably invite suo-moto from SC

The latest converts to any religion are the most chest-beating about it.

More Prejudice. BJP do not do Ghar Wapsi, VHP does that.

How can the bureaucrats prove that they have been given oral instructions to do Ghar wapsi ? the message will be, if you want to have a good career, do a bit of Ghar Wapsi or support it. The SC can't do jack$hit.

How do you know the Chief Secretary is not following the orders of Kerala Christian CM Ooman Chandy ?

But i am glad that you think BJP MP's and MLA's should start doing that in their free time. They should also provide monitory support to VHP.

 

[rubyjackass]

BJP is doing it for social impact. Not Vote back politics. This is what you are unwilling to acknowledge.

Not minority appeasement, but sabka saath sabka vikaas.

WTH!! I just acknowledged it. You have the idiocy to quote the post and then say I am unwilling to acknowledge it. I did not say it was vote bank politics. I said it was a sane thing to do. Because government targets are gamed by banks to reduce their risks, they tend to give loans only to businessmen in priority sector, which will prefer Jains to other minorities.

Yeah this is one area where simple common sense prevailed.

But Muslims do not want to acknowledge this do they ? they wan to have the cake and eat it too .... they want to call Modi "communal" and at the same time enjoy the fruits of his true secularism.

Lol. Is this a scratch my back i will scratch yours? May be it is. But it takes some time to gain electoral support in a an estranged constituency. You throw a biscuit and then expect them to vote for Modi? And who told you Muslims did not vote for him? According to the same BJP PR people, even muslims voted for Modi in good numbers. BJP is communal and Modi is a may be with a slant towards yes. Only you blind people don't see it.

Finally Priority sector spending does not have to be based on religion. It can be religion neutral too. It can be done purely based on Risk assessment. BJP govt. has asked the banks to go BEYOND risk assessment and disburse to minorities in proportion to their population.

It has to be if one religion is underrepresented despite dire need. This is India we are talking about. Here even priority sector lending will be given for a carloan of a Jain business man under minority category.

Wrong. The article clearly says its for christian ONLY.

Arey baba. I am telling you a fact that for the non-Christians weaker castes it was already there. They just applied it to converted ones also.

More Prejudice. BJP do not do Ghar Wapsi, VHP does that.

Are they so different? Yogi Adityanath routinely talks about Ghar Wapsi.

How can the bureaucrats prove that they have been given oral instructions to do Ghar wapsi ? the message will be, if you want to have a good career, do a bit of Ghar Wapsi or support it. The SC can't do jack$hit.

How do you know the Chief Secretary is not following the orders of Kerala Christian CM Ooman Chandy ?

But i am glad that you think BJP MP's and MLA's should start doing that in their free time. They should also provide monitory support to VHP.

OK. Try that. You don't know if a CM is giving such orders. Gujarat is supposed to a state which experimented with such an instruction, as per the fired police officer.
You are assuming that an entire army of Civil servants in a State have no principles.

But you did not give me any link to Civil Services rules which say such attendacne at a religious place is not allowed. Is his attendance any different from a Civil Servant attending a temple ceremony and giving funds to it? I don't think the CS violated anything.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Lol. Is this a scratch my back i will scratch yours? May be it is. But it takes some time to gain electoral support in a an estranged constituency. You throw a biscuit and then expect them to vote for Modi? And who told you Muslims did not vote for him? According to the same BJP PR people, even muslims voted for Modi in good numbers. BJP is communal and Modi is a may be with a slant towards yes. Only you blind people don't see it.

No, this is about having the integrity to acknowledge good work and revising old prejudices.

When Muslims in Bihar vote en-mass to elect Lalu yadav, it is you who are Blind to Communal politics by the Muslims.

It has to be if one religion is underrepresented despite dire need. This is India we are talking about. Here even priority sector lending will be given for a carloan of a Jain business man under minority category.

Rubbish. Do you even know what Priority sector funding is ?

Its Loans to Agriculture, Small scale Industry, Education loans, small business loans etc. Not Car loans to Jains.

Are they so different? Yogi Adityanath routinely talks about Ghar Wapsi.

Yogi Adityanath is the Chief Mahant of the Gorakhnath Mutt. Its his job to propagate Hinduism.

Other BJP politicians have different professions, and no one is into Ghar Wapsi.

VHP OTOH is the equivalent of the Christian Church, its their JOB to propagate Hinduism.

So Yes, VHP and BJP is as different as the Church and CONgress party.

OK. Try that. You don't know if a CM is giving such orders. Gujarat is supposed to a state which experimented with such an instruction, as per the fired police officer.
You are assuming that an entire army of Civil servants in a State have no principles.

PROVE that the fired Police Office said Gujarat Govt. asked them to do Ghar wapsi.

Enough of your baseless Lies.

But you did not give me any link to Civil Services rules which say such attendacne at a religious place is not allowed. Is his attendance any different from a Civil Servant attending a temple ceremony and giving funds to it? I don't think the CS violated anything.

#13 quotes the service rules.

Department of Personnel & Training

 

[Infinity]

When the time comes I doubt if anyone will be spared.

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I know you will spare me after all we are friends on PDF

 

[Marxist]

Watchman forced to convert, when he refused was fired from the job. Hallelujah

Completely secular ,Our constitution guarantees right to propagate religion

 

[cybertron]

I for one, never opposed Ghar Wapasi. It was a masterstroke by RSS, showing a mirror and a middle finger to the missionaries. :-D

And, there is nothing wrong in what the Chief Secretary said either, he is entitled to his views.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

I for one, never opposed Ghar Wapasi. It was a masterstroke by RSS, showing a mirror and a middle finger to the missionaries. :-D

And, there is nothing wrong in what the Chief Secretary said either, he is entitled to his views.

 

[Nilgiri]

When the time comes I doubt if anyone will be spared.

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You scare me Mansley.