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Vietnam will never rule South East Asia, I know Vietnamese got piss because they never get China's support for their Hegemonic plan and worse we will make sure that their plant will never fulfill.
You can blame Chinese permanent threat on Vietnam. We have little choice then to annihilate Chinese vassals in the South and Western fronts. The Khmer, the Siamese or the Champa. Vietnam army can never withstand a two or three front war for a long time. China can’t win a land war hence mostly resorts to a war of attrition against Vietnam.

The territorial conquest gives Vietnam a distance, a strategic depth.

Ruling over other nations in SE Asia is never the primary goal.

There are desires and there are constraints of reality. I personally don't think this desire will die. The difference with Korea's situation is that the easy fish seems close by and indirect methods can be applied over time. Ultimately I don't think Vietnam hates China, some are upset due to the issue you have stated. China doesn't seem to have an interest in supporting "greater Vietnam", not if it diminishes China's interests.
But China seems having no problem at all with Great Thailand or Great Cambodia. How ironic.

Not an intelligent statement.
You have a selective perception. I don’t see you jump in when Chinese posters call “monkey” hundreds times here and there.
 
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But China seems having no problem at all with Great Thailand or Great Cambodia. How ironic.
What is "Great Thailand" and "Great Cambodia"? This my first time hearing about this concept, not even sure what that entails. Not seeing China supporting Cambodia to restore the former Khmer empire at the expense of Thailand or anything with Thailand's territorial expansion, they just buy some arms from China which they could have bought from other vendors as well.

What I have seen about "Greater Vietnam" is that it includes parts of South East Asia and parts of Southern China. Not sure about whether that reflects the "Greater Vietnam" you have in mind as there are different versions. It should also be noted that it seems like Southern Chinese have the greatest frictions with Vietnamese, not sure how that part of "Greater Vietnam" is feasible.
 
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What is "Great Thailand" and "Great Cambodia"? This my first time hearing about this concept, not even sure what that entails. Not seeing China supporting Cambodia to restore the former Khmer empire at the expense of Thailand or anything with Thailand's territorial expansion, they just buy some arms from China which they could have bought from other vendors as well.

What I have seen about "Greater Vietnam" is that it includes parts of South East Asia and parts of Southern China. Not sure about whether that reflects the "Greater Vietnam" you have in mind as there are different versions. It should also be noted that it seems like Southern Chinese have the greatest frictions with Vietnamese, not sure how that part of "Greater Vietnam" is feasible.
Thailand is a new country established by local Siamese and Chinese settlers. At the height of military conquest, the Thai occupied Laos, Cambodia, parts of Burma and ...southern Vietnam.

Northern Chinese usually hold the polical power, while southern Chinese excel in economy. The friction Southern Chinese with Vietnam comes because Chinese foot soldiers are mostly southern Chinese commanded by northern high ranks. Southern Chinese are the ones that pay their lives in battles.

Vietnamese usually don’t have any problem with Northern Chinese in daily life.

In contrast Vietnamese consider southern Chinese such as Hainanese and Cantonese as dirty and greedy.
 
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Vietnam will never rule South East Asia, I know Vietnamese got piss because they never get China's support for their Hegemonic plan and worse we will make sure that their plant will never fulfill.
TPP will help us. Laos-Cam r under Vn control since 1979. They came and supported VN in 1979, in 2014 conflict against CN, Hun Sen cede big lands to VN while they help CN nothing in VN-CN conflict, in CN-US trade war.

Thai cant sell products in TPP market, Trump despise Thai, so she start asking for help from VN.

The only thing we need is just full support from Russia again, then VN-Russia can share the control of Malacca. CN economy is falling under Trump's bully, Cn wont last long (could get 2023 chaos due to millions Cnese lost jobs and get angry) to keep making trouble for VN in near future :cool:

Some Vietnamese feel that it is their destiny to eventually rule over South East Asia and that China was responsible for destroying that dream's manifestation or at least put a pause to it. It is sort of seen as an injustice and a constant struggle living in the shadows of China as a result of geopolitics.

The expansion during recent times by Vietnam was seen as the natural historical progression of the nation and that some feel Vietnam should have at least retained control of the former French Indo-China colonies. How China often views Vietnam is not how some Vietnamese views what Vietnam should be. Basically they want to become the "middle kingdom" of South East Asia. It has the capability to annex its smaller neighbors but doesn't desire a war with China in the process, this can prove a frustrating situation.
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Though Vietnam may feel frustrated about its environment, it is in a more open ended geopolitical situation compared to Korea. The Koreas on both sides of the DMZ have stated their historical struggle as a peninsula sandwiched between China and Japan. Their geopolitical hardships are determined by mostly uncontrollable external factors. To start, even under an unified Korea, they still lack the strategic depth and concentration of power due to geographic factors to counter the collision between neighbors. An internal conflict between Korean Kingdoms often pulled in external forces. When Yuan dynasty invaded Japan, they took Korea. When Tang China and Yamato Japan fought, they allied with different Korean Kingdoms. When Japan wanted to invade China, the Korean peninsula was used as a foothold on the continent and Korea requested Qing China's support. This quickly turned into a war between China and Japan with Korea sidelined. When WW2 ended, the cold war began, causing USSR and the US to draw their line across the middle of Korea, eventually igniting the Korean War. The war had less to due with the Korean internal affairs and more to do with the the confrontation between major powers. This is in addition to the internal ramifications of dynastic changes in China.

This is mixed with a sense of powerlessness due to mostly geographic factors that are literally set in stone. Being sandwiched is one issue but land and strategic depth are also important in determining the limit of scale to industries and population. The rough terrain of Korea is not suitable for sustaining a large population relying upon domestic agricultural production. It will almost always have a lower population than China and Japan under usual conditions. Korea also lacks open and uncontested access to the wider ocean, it is surrounded by China and Japan. It is an insecure nation in the geopolitical sense thus often remains a "hermit kingdom" as a measure of self preservation.

A possible direction of expansion is towards the North but was historically off limits due to the residences of Manchuria. In modern times, China and Russia, both nuclear powers have strong holds in the Northern direction. In the modern context, I think this will pressure South Korea or an eventual united Korea to pursue a proportionally higher investment into its naval projection and set up interests overseas to sustain greater capabilities at the core. They would also spread its industries and various assets as a means for strategic depth. This will be more apparent once its continental geopolitical issues are resolved and will not likely antagonize itself with China or Russia due to the need for expansion of overseas interests for security at home.

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We just need Sub Mekong, Malacca and TPP market now. Let evil Trump handle another none TPP nations in ASEAN :cool:
 
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Thailand is a new country established by local Siamese and Chinese settlers. At the height of military conquest, the Thai occupied Laos, Cambodia, parts of Burma and ...southern Vietnam.
How do you define new? Thai peoples did displace the Khmer Kingdoms but not aware of any deliberate policy by Chinese dynasties. In addition Vietnamese people were not native either.

Tai people in China are known as the Dai ethnic group and share linguistic ties with Zhuang ethnic group. The other Chinese who settled in Thailand were those who sought greener pastures. Some Thais have blurred lines with some groups of modern day Chinese, though there are other components to modern Thai peoples.

Dai ethnic group in China, mainly living in Xishuangbanna, Yunnan
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Northern Chinese usually hold the polical power, while southern Chinese excel in economy. The friction Southern Chinese with Vietnam comes because Chinese foot soldiers are mostly southern Chinese commanded by northern high ranks. Southern Chinese are the ones that pay their lives in battles.
In the modern day, the political power more distributed, though more economically developed regions might have better chances for high positions due to access to better resources.

Southern China is a broad area, what constitutes as "Southern" might be different for each person or region. Within the South there are many distinctions. The region surrounding the lower Yangzte delta is commonly referred to as "Jiangnan" and had been the most economically vibrant region in China since the Song dynasty. Many people from Northern China moved south due to the wars in the central plains. With the migration, came the shift of economic gravity that occurred over centuries.

Another economic center in modern China is the Pearl River Delta. It is likely the most free market region in China and is the home to many cunning business people. This region's economic ascendancy had been a relative recent experience in China's history. It takes a certain kind of mentality to thrive in a cut throat business environment.

The idea that Northerners hold political and military power came from the history of China. Most of the population was concentrated in the North for the formative years of China as a civilization, same with economic, military, and political power. The North tended to be the focal point of major wars (3 Kingdoms war, the world's bloodiest ancient war occurred in the central plains which killed 36-40 million) and natural disasters especially regarding droughts and floods. A lot of this had to do with geography. This necessitated the development of a bureaucracy to unite the lands under one management system to coordinate the management of water resources to prevent floods and droughts. The military was the means to achieve unification and push to geographic boundaries to enable a stable economy. If disunity occurred, war will happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_by_death_toll

Ancient China had a long list of wars, mostly occurring in the north.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_wars_and_battles

Western Han Dynasty population density map.
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By the Tang dynasty, a greater proportion of the population were living in Sichuan and Jiangnan. Trade was supported by the Grand Canal built during the previous Sui Dynasty to connect the central plains with Jiangnan.
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Out of historical experiences, Northern China tends to value military and political power/management since it was readily apparent it is needed for survival. At times when one was bad at it then millions would die (which happened) and there are few mountains or valleys to hide in, it is a wide open plain with multiple points of access that opens up to difficult to control lands (needing constant military and political attention) across the entire northern arc. Sometimes more than half of the population would die in a prolonged war. As a result of the wars from 184 AD to 217 AD during the collapse of Han dynasty the population was reduced from 65 million to 15 million.

The Jiangnan region since the last few centuries had the highest concentration of China's intellectual base. A disproportionately high number of those responsible for major scientific and technology breakthroughs, including other intellectual areas were from this region, along with industrialists whom I respect. People there value education, commerce, have an open and flexible mind, the drive to succeed at all costs, the region was a magnet for talent, and had a relatively stable environment to operate in. This creates the environment we see today where China's top leadership tends to be from Northern and Eastern China.

Vietnamese usually don’t have any problem with Northern Chinese in daily life.

In contrast Vietnamese consider southern Chinese such as Hainanese and Cantonese as dirty and greedy.
Maybe due to distance and isolation, northern Chinese generally don't have much thoughts on or know much about Vietnam or Vietnamese. It is seen as just another country to the South. People there focus on Korea and Japan.

Generally speaking, Northern Chinese aren't as apt to business as those from the coastal South. The culture is different regarding money. People are pretty much a product of their environment.
 
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You can blame Chinese permanent threat on Vietnam. We have little choice then to annihilate Chinese vassals in the South and Western fronts. The Khmer, the Siamese or the Champa. Vietnam army can never withstand a two or three front war for a long time. China can’t win a land war hence mostly resorts to a war of attrition against Vietnam.

The territorial conquest gives Vietnam a distance, a strategic depth.

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Last time with Soviet's backing, we had slapped Vietnam face hard for invade Cambodia, now you don't have mentor to support you and with China military rise, And you're delude yourself to think that you can annihilate our friends? :lol: If we didn't win land war against Vietnam, how possible Vietnam become a vassal state of China for millennium? :disagree:

Your capital city is so close to China, we can checkmate Vietnam any time whiles you guys are fantasized your territorial conquest, you don't have strategic depth but strategic handicap all thank to China.

TPP will help us. Laos-Cam r under Vn control since 1979. They came and supported VN in 1979, in 2014 conflict against CN, Hun Sen cede big lands to VN while they help CN nothing in VN-CN conflict, in CN-US trade war.

Thai cant sell products in TPP market, Trump despise Thai, so she start asking for help from VN.

The only thing we need is just full support from Russia again, then VN-Russia can share the control of Malacca. CN economy is falling under Trump's bully, Cn wont last long (could get 2023 chaos due to millions Cnese lost jobs and get angry) to keep making trouble for VN in near future :cool:

We just need Sub Mekong, Malacca and TPP market now. Let evil Trump handle another none TPP nations in ASEAN :cool:

Keep your Sub-Mekong fantasy alive, you control nothing other than delude yourself, with OBOR Vietnam is already irrelevant in Sub-Mekong, Thai, Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia are with us, Vietnam is lagging behind and isolated.


 
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Keep your Sub-Mekong fantasy alive, you control nothing other than delude yourself, with OBOR Vietnam is already irrelevant in Sub-Mekong, Thai, Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia are with us, Vietnam is lagging behind and isolated.


Oh yeah, and Hun Sen still cede land to VN while giving Cn nothing. Laos still support VN in 2014 oil rig conflict and let Vn troops stationing on Laos while she also give CN nothing :cool:
 
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Oh yeah, and Hun Sen still cede land to VN while giving Cn nothing. Laos still support VN in 2014 oil rig conflict and let Vn troops stationing on Laos while she also give CN nothing :cool:

LOL why not claim that Hun Sen give you the entire Cambodia:rofl:, keep delude youself more:lol:
 
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