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Sorry If I am late uses 12.7x108mm round, used by Special forces and can damage light armored vehicles.
If I remember the first qbz was rushed into production as a show off in the 90's and it had plenty of problems with it jamming, control, scopes, Thankfully for China the problem was fixed and a newer improved QBZ replaced it completely, the ones you see today.
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Well the Cambodian Special forces already use it and regulars to some extend local police, since Pakistan uses the G3 it could go for the hk416, has the PA used any bullpup rifles ?
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Not my post, all credits go to noname and pretty informative
"From the look of it, it has the following improvement:
- New Picatinny 1913 accessory rail
- Extended slide with additional front serrations
- Extended metal sub-frame
- Longer 4.8 inch barrel (the standard is 4.33 inch)
- Reshaped slide release and safety/de-cocker
- Completely new polymer frame featuring new texture, reshaped grip and extended front segment to accommodate the new 1913 rail
- Removal of the proprietary accessory rails from the metal sub-frame
- Lost the lanyard loop
- Get ride of the old-school looking star motif on the grip
Other thoughts:
This is obviously an attempt to catch up with other new polymer handgun designs. It still lacks the interchangeable backstrap that are common now. The new front grip texture looks awfully like that on the new Springfield/HS Produkt XDM. Wonder if it has improved upon the awful 14.5 pound double-action trigger pull of the original? Does it still has QC issues with the magazines led to FTF? Did they put a better quality hammer and trigger springs in it that will lasting more than few thousand rounds? For more information on the Chinese Type 92 family, check out the up coming issues of Guns and Ammo: Handguns Annual issue."
The old type 92:
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Chinese 12.7mm Sniper Rifles Get Combat Experience
February 20, 2013:
Recently reporters came back from northern Burma with pictures of tribal rebels using Chinese M99 12.7mm sniper rifles. China denied supporting the Burmese tribal militia (the UWSA or United Wa State Army) operating on its border but apparently the Wa have some kind of arrangement with the Chinese government, who allows armed Wa fighters to enter Chinese border towns to do business. The UWSA usually pays for what it needs and can afford to do so because of the meth and heroin it produces and smuggles out (usually via Thailand). Chinese arms dealers have long felt free to deal with UWSA and that’s apparently where the M99s came from.
The Chinese Army has only recently begun receiving these weapons. These large caliber sniper rifles first appeared from Chinese manufacturers in 1999, when the M99 showed up. A few years later the M06 (as an M99 with a few minor changes) appeared. A decade later another version, the QUB09, came along. All three of these are bullpup (magazine behind the trigger) designs and are built by a state owned weapons factory.
There are many other 12.7mm rifles available from Chinese suppliers. For example, the AMR-2 is a more conversional design (magazine in front of the trigger). The M99/M06/QUB09 all weigh about 12 kg (26.4 kg), while the AMR-2 is a little lighter at 11 kg (24.2 pounds). The M99 series can use 12.7x108mm or 12.7x99mm rounds, while the AMR-2 only handles the 12.7x108mm cartridge.
The Chinese consider all of these models to be anti-vehicle/material rifles. Sniping against people is a secondary mission, and the Chinese rifles are not as accurate at longer ranges (over 1,000 meters) as similar Western models. Most of these rifles are sold to foreign customers (military, police, private individuals, and any one with enough cash and a good excuse).
It's only recently that China has begun delivering large numbers of 12.7mm rifles to its own troops. The problem is that there are a lot of options in this area. And in the last decade there has been a lot of development action in large caliber sniper rifles. This may be one reason why the Chinese Army has not invested heavily in this weapon.
For example, when the Barrett company introduced the first .50 caliber (12.7mm) sniper rifle in the 1980s, it was not the only company working on the concept. The Steyr-Mannlicher company, of Austria, was also developing a large caliber "anti-material" sniper rifle. While Barrett quickly took most of the market, Steyr continued to work on their weapon. Along the way they upped the caliber to 15.2mm and focused on discarding sabot ammo fired from a smoothbore barrel. The discarding sabot technique was first used with anti-tank guns. Most modern 120mm tank guns fire a shell that uses a smaller 25mm "penetrator". The 25mm rod of tungsten (or depleted uranium) is surrounded by a "sabot" that falls away once the shell clears the barrel. This gives the penetrator higher velocity and penetrating power. Each round weighs 139 grams (5.25 ounces) and is 20.4 cm (eight inches) long. The Steyr 15.2mm delivers a 20 gram (.7 ounce) tungsten "dart" that moves at 1,516 meters (4,700 feet) per second and can go through 40mm (1.6 inches) of armor at 1,000 meters. This weapon is called the IWS (Infantry Weapon System) 2000 and has a 122cm (48 inch) smoothbore barrel and weighs 18.2 kg (40 pounds). It uses a five round box magazine. The weapon breaks down into two loads, so a two man sniper team can easily carry it. It's a bullpup design that is 168cm (5.6 feet) in length overall.
Steyr found that there was not much of a market for the weapon. The 12.7mm sniper rifles have about the same sniping performance as the IWS 2000, and Barrett introduced a 25mm rifle back in 2004. However, the dependence on discarding sabot ammo only may prove interesting. Discarding sabot rounds has been around in infantry weapons for some years. They are available for 7.62mm and 12.7mm weapons and are interchangeable with standard ammo. The 7.62mm discarding sabot has a 5.56mm penetrator, and the 12.7mm round uses a 7.62mm penetrator. However, using a discarding sabot in a rifled weapon does not give you as much speed as a smoothbore. But that's not much of an edge. Then again, it may be enough for the Steyr 15.2mm rifle to eventually catch on.
Thus, if you want a material destruction rifle, special ammo is an area of promise. But China is not yet doing anything here. It has also been found that smaller bullets (like the popular 8.6mm) give about the same range as the 12.7mm for sniping, while using a smaller and lighter rifle. Thus it appears that the Chinese are waiting for development activity to settle down before investing a lot of money in this type of weapon.
Meanwhile, export customers, like the UWSA, are eager to take the M99 and use it to block army traffic on the few roads that snake through the hills and forests of northern Burma.
February 20, 2013:
Recently reporters came back from northern Burma with pictures of tribal rebels using Chinese M99 12.7mm sniper rifles. China denied supporting the Burmese tribal militia (the UWSA or United Wa State Army) operating on its border but apparently the Wa have some kind of arrangement with the Chinese government, who allows armed Wa fighters to enter Chinese border towns to do business. The UWSA usually pays for what it needs and can afford to do so because of the meth and heroin it produces and smuggles out (usually via Thailand). Chinese arms dealers have long felt free to deal with UWSA and that’s apparently where the M99s came from.
The Chinese Army has only recently begun receiving these weapons. These large caliber sniper rifles first appeared from Chinese manufacturers in 1999, when the M99 showed up. A few years later the M06 (as an M99 with a few minor changes) appeared. A decade later another version, the QUB09, came along. All three of these are bullpup (magazine behind the trigger) designs and are built by a state owned weapons factory.
There are many other 12.7mm rifles available from Chinese suppliers. For example, the AMR-2 is a more conversional design (magazine in front of the trigger). The M99/M06/QUB09 all weigh about 12 kg (26.4 kg), while the AMR-2 is a little lighter at 11 kg (24.2 pounds). The M99 series can use 12.7x108mm or 12.7x99mm rounds, while the AMR-2 only handles the 12.7x108mm cartridge.
The Chinese consider all of these models to be anti-vehicle/material rifles. Sniping against people is a secondary mission, and the Chinese rifles are not as accurate at longer ranges (over 1,000 meters) as similar Western models. Most of these rifles are sold to foreign customers (military, police, private individuals, and any one with enough cash and a good excuse).
It's only recently that China has begun delivering large numbers of 12.7mm rifles to its own troops. The problem is that there are a lot of options in this area. And in the last decade there has been a lot of development action in large caliber sniper rifles. This may be one reason why the Chinese Army has not invested heavily in this weapon.
For example, when the Barrett company introduced the first .50 caliber (12.7mm) sniper rifle in the 1980s, it was not the only company working on the concept. The Steyr-Mannlicher company, of Austria, was also developing a large caliber "anti-material" sniper rifle. While Barrett quickly took most of the market, Steyr continued to work on their weapon. Along the way they upped the caliber to 15.2mm and focused on discarding sabot ammo fired from a smoothbore barrel. The discarding sabot technique was first used with anti-tank guns. Most modern 120mm tank guns fire a shell that uses a smaller 25mm "penetrator". The 25mm rod of tungsten (or depleted uranium) is surrounded by a "sabot" that falls away once the shell clears the barrel. This gives the penetrator higher velocity and penetrating power. Each round weighs 139 grams (5.25 ounces) and is 20.4 cm (eight inches) long. The Steyr 15.2mm delivers a 20 gram (.7 ounce) tungsten "dart" that moves at 1,516 meters (4,700 feet) per second and can go through 40mm (1.6 inches) of armor at 1,000 meters. This weapon is called the IWS (Infantry Weapon System) 2000 and has a 122cm (48 inch) smoothbore barrel and weighs 18.2 kg (40 pounds). It uses a five round box magazine. The weapon breaks down into two loads, so a two man sniper team can easily carry it. It's a bullpup design that is 168cm (5.6 feet) in length overall.
Steyr found that there was not much of a market for the weapon. The 12.7mm sniper rifles have about the same sniping performance as the IWS 2000, and Barrett introduced a 25mm rifle back in 2004. However, the dependence on discarding sabot ammo only may prove interesting. Discarding sabot rounds has been around in infantry weapons for some years. They are available for 7.62mm and 12.7mm weapons and are interchangeable with standard ammo. The 7.62mm discarding sabot has a 5.56mm penetrator, and the 12.7mm round uses a 7.62mm penetrator. However, using a discarding sabot in a rifled weapon does not give you as much speed as a smoothbore. But that's not much of an edge. Then again, it may be enough for the Steyr 15.2mm rifle to eventually catch on.
Thus, if you want a material destruction rifle, special ammo is an area of promise. But China is not yet doing anything here. It has also been found that smaller bullets (like the popular 8.6mm) give about the same range as the 12.7mm for sniping, while using a smaller and lighter rifle. Thus it appears that the Chinese are waiting for development activity to settle down before investing a lot of money in this type of weapon.
Meanwhile, export customers, like the UWSA, are eager to take the M99 and use it to block army traffic on the few roads that snake through the hills and forests of northern Burma.
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Type 95 in Sudan KAMBO future soldier system?
photos from the IDEX 2013
Since when Sudan is one of the users of QBZ-95?
Users
China: People's Liberation Army.
Cambodia: 911 Para-Commando Special Forces and Bodyguard Unit (the QBZ-97, QBZ-97A, QBZ-97B, and QBB-97 LSW).
Myanmar: The QBZ-97 is in service with the Myanmar military.
Sri Lanka: Sri Lanka Air Force, Special Task Force.
photos from the IDEX 2013
Since when Sudan is one of the users of QBZ-95?
Users
China: People's Liberation Army.
Cambodia: 911 Para-Commando Special Forces and Bodyguard Unit (the QBZ-97, QBZ-97A, QBZ-97B, and QBB-97 LSW).
Myanmar: The QBZ-97 is in service with the Myanmar military.
Sri Lanka: Sri Lanka Air Force, Special Task Force.
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大口径狙击步枪 可对轻型装甲直升机射击
Large-caliber sniper rifle shooting light armored helicopter
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在全军狙击手比武考核中，国产10式大口径反器材狙击步枪首次进行教学训练。这款狙击步枪采用 激光瞄准，可 自动修正瞄准点。
　　据央视消息，10式大口径反器材狙击步枪由我军自行设计，口径12.7毫米，最大射程2公 里，有效射程 1.5公里，可精确打击1公里范围内的目标。10式狙击步枪比88式狙击步枪长约40厘米，10式狙 击式步 枪重达26斤，是88式狙击步枪的3倍多。依托这款狙击步枪，狙击小组的人数1至3人不等，有 时独自一人也 可以完成狙杀任务。
　　据介绍，10式大口径反器材狙击步枪最大特点就是瞄准镜采取激光瞄准，能自动修正瞄准点。 能对敌重要人 员实施准确狙杀以外，还可以对轻型装甲目标直升机、雷达等重要目标实施破坏射击。（记者：杜丽 华）
China Made 10 big-caliber anti-armour sniper rifle for the first time in the army snipers contest assessment, teaching and training. This sniper rifle with laser sighting, can automatically correct the aiming point.
According to CCTV news, the 10-type large-caliber anti-materiel sniper rifle designed by our military, diameter 12.7 mm, with a maximum range of 2 km, the effective range of 1.5 kilometers, within 1 km of the target precision strike. 10 sniper rifle is about 40 cm than 88 sniper rifles, 10 sniper rifle weighs 26 pounds, is more than three times the 88 sniper rifle. Relying on this sniper rifle, sniper team number 1 to 3 range, sometimes alone can also be accomplished shooter task.
According to reports, the 10-type large-caliber anti-armour sniper rifle is most characteristic sight to take laser sighting, can automatically correct the aiming point. The enemy implementation of an accurate shooter, you can also light armored targets helicopters, radar target implementation destruction of shooting. (Reporter: Du Li Hua)
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The first hand grenades in human history ( unearthed from 西夏 Xixia era）
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