Chinese PLA Colonel: Doklam was a humiliating defeat for China, PRC caved in to Indian pressure

[Chellam]

1. Before India withdrawal, there is no talk with India at any cost then why there was Diplomatic talk before Indian withdrawal. Read Indian MEA statement, there was no mention of 'talks', only diplomatic 'efforts'. Your diplomatic efforts include reducing troops to 40 soldiers to signify India was willing to withdraw and also sending Doval to 'try' to talk, and we know how it ended right? China still stuck to their official stand, withdraw then talk. Talks/negotiations involve two parties exchanging terms and conditions to resolve an issue, not one party going over to convey their message, we can't stop India from speaking, we can only repeat standard policy, withdraw then talk. China will never negotiate with a gun on his head, this is policy since day one. The only 'agreement' both parties had was to resolve things peacefully and that involves Indian unconditional unilateral withdrawal, and you did precisely that.



2. We can say that China is afraid of trade "China Stoped Indian pilgrims via China but not Trade through Border" If China not afraid of Trade then why China agreed to withdraw troops after India implemented Anti dumping tax on Mobile tempered glass. Indian trade is only 70 billion out of 4 trillion. Use some common sense. . You think China will give up national sovereignty for a mere 50 billion in surplus? That too for a strategic area like Doklam? Remember the incident in Ladakh, a week before Indian withdrawal? China escalated that area to signal something, this was gonna be a two front war, and you got that message alright. Since when did China withdraw btw? .

3. there is a 2nd Biggest snub for China if Modi not attended BRICS Meeting Because of Doklam Issue after OBOR is the biggest one which China didn't expect so Chinese are feared of another snub. You think Modi is a superstar? He can snub all he want, what I see here is India asking for a face saver for Modi to project a hero image to their domestic audience. Fear a snub? The world does not revolve around India bhai. We need to ensure Modi saves face after what he just did, Indian media need to believe he is a hero, no matter what the reality is.

Can't even hold any one Word from beginning and taking about India,
1. war issue : No war because you withdrew unilaterally.
2. there is no way to talk before withdrawal but there was a diplomatic talk before India withdrawal : No talks before withdrawal. Care to tell me what was negotiated and what was the agreement aside from the 'agreement' that we need to resolve this peacefully and that involves you withdrawing? Same stand since day 1 bro.

3. there is no Confirmation of road construction in Doklam again

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/29/c_136565670.htm

BEIJING, Aug. 29 (Xinhua) -- Chinese border troops are continuing their patrolling and defending the Dong Lang (Doklam) area, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson said Tuesday.

"We will make an overall assessment of the weather conditions and all related factors, and according to the actual circumstances complete construction plans for the Dong Lang (Doklam) area," spokesperson Hua Chunying told a daily news briefing.

As always Satisfying your self

It's just a Patrolling every one will patrol in Disputed territory even Bhutan will patrol because it's a Disputed Territory Between China and Bhutan

If China is Not afraid of Trade and another snub then why China Agreed to withdraw

 

[Han Patriot]

As always Satisfying your self

It's just a Patrolling every one will patrol in Disputed territory even Bhutan will patrol because it's a Disputed Territory Between China and Bhutan

If China is Not afraid of Trade and another snub then why China Agreed to withdraw

http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2511_665403/t1488261.shtml

Q: Could you tell us that how many Chinese soldiers are still deployed at the Dong Lang area?

A: This is a very specific question. What I can tell you is that The Chinese border troops continue with their patrols and stationing in the Dong Lang area. China will adjust and deploy its military resources in accordance with the need of guarding the border and the situation on the ground.

I am beginning to think Indians are having selective visual loss.. This is the 10th Indian guy.....

 

[Counterpunch]

Says a no body with knowledge of nothing beyond his drawing room. Small shots like this exist in every country

 

[Figaro]

This thread is the reason why Indians are very backward and intellectually incapable. They rely on one single source to prove their entire argument ... even if its quality is dubious. I have no doubt all Indian publications and research are all based on this type of logic ... no wonder why this country has yet to yield any technological advances. Looks like despite being enslaved by Alexander, Indians still have yet to learn the 2300 year old logical arguments of Socrates and other Greek philosophers. I really feel sorry for them if all Indians think this way; they will never catch up to the United States or China if they cannot even have a proper line-of-reasoning. I guess logic is just not emphasized in Indian schools, not particularly surprising and also pretty sad.

Says a no body with knowledge of nothing beyond his drawing room. Small shots like this exist in every country

These Indian trolls have no logical progression whatsoever. They make ridiculous claims on false premises while using dubious evidence to support their claims. I took English 101 in college (long time ago) but still remember how important logic is to one's argument. If the Indians are willing to use 1 source to create their entire argument, then you know the state of India's technological advances.

That's the way India works:

Unilateral Indian withdraw----->Mutual Disengagement----->Mutual withdraw---->Chinese withdraw---->Biggest Indian Diplomatic Victory in Decades!

Many Indians are delusional and have a mutation in their frontal lobe ... hence they're incapable of critical thinking and logical reasoning that every other ethnic/racial group possesses. It's got more to do with genetics unfortunately

 

[Resident Evil]

https://warontherocks.com/2017/08/countering-chinese-coercion-the-case-of-doklam/

 

[pothead]

Where is THE ROAD?

 

[Dungeness]

Than Chinese government is to blame for being soft on India. Why does one need to tell India you're building a road in your own territory?

It is a normal internationally accepted practice to inform the other country what you are planning to do in your side of border, and establish an understanding. The question I have is, did India inform China when they built their bunkers near or right on the border line.

This thread is the reason why Indians are very backward and intellectually incapable. They rely on one single source to prove their entire argument ... even if its quality is dubious. I have no doubt all Indian publications and research are all based on this type of logic ... no wonder why this country has yet to yield any technological advances. Looks like despite being enslaved by Alexander, Indians still have yet to learn the 2300 year old logical arguments of Socrates and other Greek philosophers. I really feel sorry for them if all Indians think this way; they will never catch up to the United States or China if they cannot even have a proper line-of-reasoning. I guess logic is just not emphasized in Indian schools, not particularly surprising and also pretty sad.


These Indian trolls have no logical progression whatsoever. They make ridiculous claims on false premises while using dubious evidence to support their claims. I took English 101 in college (long time ago) but still remember how important logic is to one's argument. If the Indians are willing to use 1 source to create their entire argument, then you know the state of India's technological advances.


Many Indians are delusional and have a mutation in their frontal lobe ... hence they're incapable of critical thinking and logical reasoning that every other ethnic/racial group possesses. It's got more to do with genetics unfortunately

That is exactly what I have observed when I engaged with many Indian members, including some respected TTAs. They don't seem to be interested in an intellectual debate, but noly interested in arguing. They falsely believe the winner of a debate must be the one who says the last word. I often said there is a logic, then there is an "Indian logic". It is very frustrating.

I do not believe most of them have the concept of "Critical Thinking".

And there are some idiots who keep repeating "where is road" as a trophy of a winner. No wonder 80% of their "engineers" are considered "unemployable".

 

[Han Patriot]

Where is THE ROAD?

The road is near Doka La, grade 40, 100 meters from the border, 30-40% deep into Doklam.

 

[Into the Fire]

Truthful admission.

 

[Han Patriot]

Truthful admission.

Just in, second confrimation of permanent troop stationed at Doklam near Doka La.

http://eng.mod.gov.cn/news/2017-08/31/content_4790490.htm

Question: What role did the Chinese military play in resolving the Dong Lang incident? What measures will the military take to safeguard national sovereignty as well as national interests and rights?

Answer: Since the Dong Lang incident happened, the Chinese military has closely monitored the development of the situation. Not a single moment have we forgotten our responsibility of safeguarding our motherland and upholding peace. Not in a single moment have we relented in our targeted preparation for military struggle. We took on-site emergency response measures, strengthened border control, pushed forward operational deployment and enhanced targeted training so as to firmly safeguard territorial integrity, national sovereignty and our legitimate rights and interests. At the same time, through military diplomacy and border defense exchange channels, we lodged numerous representations with the Indian military and played an important role for the proper settlement of the Dong Lang incident. The Chinese military will continue to carry out its missions and responsibilities, beef up patrol and troop station in the Dong Lang area and resolutely safeguard national sovereignty and security.

Question: The spokesperson of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the other day that the Chinese border defense troops continued with patrolling and stationing in the Dong Lang area. Could you tell us how they would do that specifically?

Answer: Dong Lang is China’s inherent territory. We will never give up each inch of the beautiful mountains and rivers of our motherland. The Chinese armed forces will firmly carry out its sacred mission of safeguarding territorial sovereignty and protect every inch of the land in the Dong Lang area.

 

[Into the Fire]

Just in, second confrimation of permanent troop stationed at Doklam near Doka La.

http://eng.mod.gov.cn/news/2017-08/31/content_4790490.htm

Question: What role did the Chinese military play in resolving the Dong Lang incident? What measures will the military take to safeguard national sovereignty as well as national interests and rights?

Answer: Since the Dong Lang incident happened, the Chinese military has closely monitored the development of the situation. Not a single moment have we forgotten our responsibility of safeguarding our motherland and upholding peace. Not in a single moment have we relented in our targeted preparation for military struggle. We took on-site emergency response measures, strengthened border control, pushed forward operational deployment and enhanced targeted training so as to firmly safeguard territorial integrity, national sovereignty and our legitimate rights and interests. At the same time, through military diplomacy and border defense exchange channels, we lodged numerous representations with the Indian military and played an important role for the proper settlement of the Dong Lang incident. The Chinese military will continue to carry out its missions and responsibilities, beef up patrol and troop station in the Dong Lang area and resolutely safeguard national sovereignty and security.

Question: The spokesperson of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the other day that the Chinese border defense troops continued with patrolling and stationing in the Dong Lang area. Could you tell us how they would do that specifically?

Answer: Dong Lang is China’s inherent territory. We will never give up each inch of the beautiful mountains and rivers of our motherland. The Chinese armed forces will firmly carry out its sacred mission of safeguarding territorial sovereignty and protect every inch of the land in the Dong Lang area.

So zero mention of road building.
Now even CPC is quietly admitting no more road in Doklam.

 

[Han Patriot]

So zero mention of road building.
Now even CPC is quietly admitting no more road in Doklam.

Already mentioned by MOFA, MOD only answer whatever question being asked.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/29/c_136565604.htm

"We will make an overall assessment of the weather conditions and all related factors, and according to the actual circumstances complete construction plans for the Dong Lang (Doklam) area," spokesperson Hua Chunying told a daily news briefing

 

[Into the Fire]

Already mentioned by MOFA, MOD only answer whatever question being asked.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/29/c_136565604.htm

"We will make an overall assessment of the weather conditions and all related factors, and according to the actual circumstances complete construction plans for the Dong Lang (Doklam) area," spokesperson Hua Chunying told a daily news briefing

Again using words like assessment plans, factors etc make it clear it is avoiding road construction.

 

[Feng Leng]

Again using words like assessment plans, factors etc make it clear it is avoiding road construction.

LOL at self delusion. What would you say if I told you the whole Chinese road network was built after planning and assessment of factors including weather? Do you think this is India where people just make roads following open defecation trails?

 

[karl wang]

Weird India, they don't trust our foreign ministry and department of defense' spokesman, and take a message from somewhere to prove: India is the winner.
Nobody can defeat such nation, if they take failure as success by all means.