Chinese officials warned US bomber during 'routine' East China Sea flyover

[Brainsucker]

So what's the purpose of B1 coming to Chinese's ADIZ? To provoke? To test Chinese reaction time? Or is it a trap to China, so they can be protrayed as a threat to the South Korea border? They won't do any unprovoked attack aren't they? Then what should Chinese respond to this? Scramble all their fighter to intercept? Target this aircraft with their SAM? or just send a warning?

So what's the anti air that Chinese has at that vicinity? I doubt that jet fighter is the only option to intercept such provocation. There are a lot of anti air element that they have possessed. Like AAW Ship (Type 054A, 052C, D, etc), HQ-9, etc. So why would Chinese has to over react like the Japanese when they see a single bomber come to their ADIZ? Different country has different tactic. China is not Japanese. And there are another way to handle this provocation. If B-1 is proven to be a threat, they can just use any anti air defense at the area to neutralize this object. so They don't have send they J-11.

I think a warning is already sufficient. B-1 is inside their radar. Any misbehavior can lead into the launch of Chinese anti air element. Not only from their fighter, but from their SAM batteries, or Frigate / Destroyer. So why should they over-react with this? China is not Japan. They are not a kind of Paranoid Otaku. They have their own way to handle a threat.

Plus, B-1 flies near South Korea. Do you know what is it? It's a lame trap. To provoke South Korea so they will consider Chinese as an enemy. The intention is brilliant, but the trap is just lame. Trust me, if China eat this provocation and send their Fighter, tomorrow we will see "China is a threat to South Korea in the main page of Western Newspaper." but because they don't eat it. CNN just say that China failed to intercept the B-1.

If China scramble their fighters to intercept the B-1, ROK will reacted. They will also scramble their jet fighters to intercept the fighters. Thus, ROK relation with China will be affected. Western Media will boast the threat, to change the ROK people mind so they can accept the THAAD.But China didn't eat the crap. So it's failed.

So lame, just lame. Try harder

 

[lcloo]

ADIZ has been discussed for ages, and I am surprise that so many people still fail to understand the meaning of ADIZ.

ADIZ is a identification zone, it is still international air space so there is no question of shooting incoming aircraft unless it flew further into the territorial air space.

The purpose of radio message is (1) to warn that we know you are flying in our ID zone, and I know where you are. And (2) to remind you that not to fly into our territorial air space, or else be ready to take a salty bath.

Thus forget about shooting or not shooting down an aircraft in ADIZ, don't show any ignorance.

 

[Roybot]

ADIZ has been discussed for ages, and I am surprise that so many people still fail to understand the meaning of ADIZ.

ADIZ is a identification zone, it is still international air space so there is no question of shooting incoming aircraft unless it flew further into the territorial air space.

The purpose of radio message is (1) to warn that we know you are flying in our ID zone, and I know where you are. And (2) to remind you that not to fly into our territorial air space, or else be ready to take a salty bath.

Thus forget about shooting or not shooting down an aircraft in ADIZ, don't show any ignorance.

This shows incompetence on the part of Chinese military then, cause they seem to be under the impression that ADIZ means Chinese air space and therefore asked the USAF to leave the area immediately. I guess they haven't got your memo yet.

Chinese officials warned a US military aircraft flying near South Korea Sunday, telling its pilots that they were illegally operating in Chinese airspace and ordering the American plane to leave, a US defense official told CNN.

 

[Roybot]

So what's the purpose of B1 coming to Chinese's ADIZ? To provoke? To test Chinese reaction time? Or is it a trap to China, so they can be protrayed as a threat to the South Korea border? They won't do any unprovoked attack aren't they? Then what should Chinese respond to this? Scramble all their fighter to intercept? Target this aircraft with their SAM? or just send a warning?

So what's the anti air that Chinese has at that vicinity? I doubt that jet fighter is the only option to intercept such provocation. There are a lot of anti air element that they have possessed. Like AAW Ship (Type 054A, 052C, D, etc), HQ-9, etc. So why would Chinese has to over react like the Japanese when they see a single bomber come to their ADIZ? Different country has different tactic. China is not Japanese. And there are another way to handle this provocation. If B-1 is proofed to be a threat, they can just use any Anti air defense at the area to neutralize this object. so They don't have send they J-11.

I think a warning is already sufficient. B-1 is inside their radar. Any miss behavior can lead into the launch of Chinese Anti air element. Not only from their fighter, but from their SAM batteries, or Frigate / Destroyer. So why should they over-react with this? China is not Japan. They are not a kind of Paranoid Otaku. They have their own way to handle a threat.

Plus, B-1 flies near South Korea. Do you know what is it? It's a lame trap. To provoke South Korea so they will consider Chinese as an enemy. The intention is brilliant, but the trap is just lame. Trust me, if China eat this provocation and send their Fighter, tomorrow we will see "China is a threat to South Korea in the main page of Western Newspaper." but because they don't eat it. CNN just say that China failed to intercept the B-1.

If China scramble their fighters to intercept the B-1, ROK will reacted. They will also scramble their jet fighters to intercept the fighters. Thus, ROK relation with China will be affected. Western Media will boast the threat, to change the ROK people mind so they can accept the THAAD.But China didn't eat the crap. So it's failed.

So lame, just lame. Try harder

Except this Chinese ADIZ didn't exist couple of years back. US and its allies are doing what they have been doing for decades, its not their fault if the Chinese start claiming others land and start declaring ADIZ based on its whims and hegemonic agenda.

Yes Korea needs a reason to be anti-China, because China coveting Korean territory isn't enough.

 

[lcloo]

This shows incompetence on the part of Chinese military then, cause they seem to be under the impression that ADIZ means Chinese air space and therefore asked the USAF to leave the area immediately. I guess they haven't got your memo yet.

Chinese officials warned a US military aircraft flying near South Korea Sunday, telling its pilots that they were illegally operating in Chinese airspace and ordering the American plane to leave, a US defense official told CNN.

I take it that the words in your posting is unverified nor was it authenticated. Never take the words of western press seriously or even some US defence officials. Unless you have the actual voice recordings, everything is just words of no weight, and typical US propaganda.

I give you an example, several years ago a US civilian (meaning CIA) spy ship was quoted by US Navy as saying that it was harassed by Chinese Navy while doing espionage work in South China Sea. Guess which type of Chinese Navy ship that it was, and what type of harassment it was?

Fishing boat was misquoted as the Chinese navy ship and fisherman waving underwear while being splashed by water hose from the US spy ship was the harassment!!!

 

[Fledgingwings]

Yeah says Iraq that wanted the mother of all battles equivalent to Vietnam.

I don't say USA is weaker or China is stronger. Let us be positive on the point that if war erupts between the two, it's going to be hell all over the world.

 

[gambit]

We would delight for next encounter, Chinese Army need to get acquainted with US military toy.

You know you are talking about The Bone, right ? Do I need to wink for you to get the hint ?

If Iraq hired China, they wouldn't be defeat so easily, I bet that American would have think twice to get there.

If ? What 'if' are you talking about ? Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a major business and military partner with China. Before Desert Storm, China sold arms, provided trainers, and taught war doctrines to Iraq. After Desert Storm, the PLA reforms have US signatures all over. Why ? Because what China sold and taught to Iraq failed spectacularly.

Why would Saddam hire the Chinese? In those days China didn't have any sophisticated system. You're making up tales.

Buddy, even wiki have that knowledge...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Iraq_relations

 

[Ultima Thule]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Iraq_relations

At that time Chinese armed forces were primitive one as compare to US sir

 

[gambit]

At that time Chinese armed forces were primitive one as compare to US sir

Yes, the PLA was.

All you have to do is look at the PLA today. Like I said earlier, the PLA's reformation have American signatures all over.

However, that does not mean the PLA is a military 'peer' to US. At best, the PLA is a 'near peer'. But just as the PLA today is not the PLA of the 1990s, neither is the US military. We have changed and our changes have the benefits of being based on actual combat experience, not just merely hypothetical from exercises, of which that is all the PLA has.

 

[Oldman1]

US can write ever crap it wants but Americans never practice what they preach but ask other to do what they said and not what they do. Imagine if China combine a floating nuclear plant with floating Radar and dispatch to US west coast, we can vitually monitor deep inside US territory for life time, even if it's in the international water, are American gonna accept that? American only write rules that is advantageous to them and think to have high moral ground.

As long as it's in international waters you can fucking do whatever you want just like the Russians did. Were you warned to stay away from Hawaii with your spy ship? No. Were your fleet warned to stay awake from Alaska? Nope. Recently there was a Russian spy ship observing the U.S. Ballistic missile submarine base but stayed outside the 12 mile territorial waters. We didn't have to warn them. They know the rules as we do. Not you.

 

[Globenim]

Buddy, even wiki have that knowledge...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Iraq_relations

Now point out a single word stating or even just suggesting your "knowledge" that Iraq had "hired China" for its "defense" on that page you linked.

"Relations" or "puchasing (mostly outdated 20-30 year old) arms" for its hotpot of weapons from all kind of countries, has nothing to do with "hiring China" and has zero implications on the formal competency of the Iraqi armies defence and no more implications for China than the fact China had some almost entirely outlined 50s and 60s Soviet tier weapon systems to spare for export.

 

[gambit]

Now point out a single word stating or even just suggesting your "knowledge" that Iraq had "hired China" for its "defense" on that page you linked.

"Relations" or "puchasing (mostly outdated 20-30 year old) arms" for its hotpot of weapons from all kind of countries, has nothing to do with "hiring China" and has zero implications on the formal competency of the Iraqi armies defence and no more implications for China than the fact China had some almost entirely outlined 50s and 60s Soviet tier weapon systems to spare for export.

You are taking this too literally...

During the Iran–Iraq War from 1980 to 1988 China was one of the main suppliers to all sides in the war. In fact, China had played both sides during the war and had sent arms to both Iran and Iraq.

But after the Gulf War China was found by American officials to have violated the United Nations Resolutions on the Gulf War and that China was beginning to rearm Iraq.

Usually, if you buy the product, in this case instruments of warfare, you get the training that goes with it, and inevitably, the ideas on how to use these instruments.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

If ? What 'if' are you talking about ? Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a major business and military partner with China. Before Desert Storm, China sold arms, provided trainers, and taught war doctrines to Iraq. After Desert Storm, the PLA reforms have US signatures all over. Why ? Because what China sold and taught to Iraq failed

China only provided basic training and sold some cheap arm before the war but there was no Chinese advisors as during Vietnam or Korea wars, otherwise US shall have a long attrition war in Iraq. China already had experience with US encounter and their pretty much how US will fight the war, of course Iraq might not win the war but US shall have a long suffering pain and not a flawless victory.

As long as it's in international waters you can fucking do whatever you want just like the Russians did. Were you warned to stay away from Hawaii with your spy ship? No. Were your fleet warned to stay awake from Alaska? Nope. Recently there was a Russian spy ship observing the U.S. Ballistic missile submarine base but stayed outside the 12 mile territorial waters. We didn't have to warn them. They know the rules as we do. Not you.

Cuba crisis in 1962 is a good example on how US is playing the dirty game, you guys allowed yourself to place nukes in Turkey near Soviet border but menace with nuclear war if Soviet put nuke in Cuba soil, a bad loser like American is been expected, sure US will not give a Fcking for now because you know China don't have base in Cuba or Mexico and can't do the similar patrol as you guys did in Asia, but if China ever set a foot in South America to reciprocate with similar fashion as US did in Asia, Americans will certainly threaten China with war.... the only way for China to deal with such bad loser is ... Nuclear + conventional parity.

 

[Oldman1]

Cuba crisis in 1962 is a good example on how US is playing the dirty game, you guys allowed yourself to place nukes in Turkey near Soviet border but menace with nuclear war if Soviet put Nuke in Cuba soil, a bad loser like American is been expected, sure US will not give a Fcking for now because you know China don't have base in Cuba or Mexico and can't do the similar patrol as you guys did in Asia, but if China ever set a foot in South America to reciprocate with similar fashion as US did in Asia, Americans will certainly threaten China with war....the only way for China to deal with such bad loser is ...Nuclear + conventional parity.

Hey loser, when the Russians sent a spy ship about 20 miles offshore of the U.S. coast, how did we react? Nothing. Not even a blockade to shoot the Russian ship, or what Chinese would do which is park in front of the ship to make it stop. Or couple of years ago ram into a plane. I expect China to do something like that as well. Since we have the courtesy to allow Chinese ships near Alaska and Hawaii outside 12 mile zone. You on the other hand warning ships and planes hundreds of miles out and claim its your space.

 

[gambit]

China only provided basic training and sold some cheap arm before the war but there was no Chinese advisors as during Vietnam or Korea wars, otherwise US shall have a long attrition war in Irak. China already had experience with US encounter and their pretty much how US will fight the war, of course Irak might not win the war but US shall have a long suffering pain and not a flawless victory.

Here is the deal...

Assume the generosity that China really know how the US fight. Why would China keep that information from Iraq ? It would be a stupid answer to say that 'Iraq did not asked' because you do not know what went on between Iraq and China, whereas, it is eminently common sense that if you buy a weapon, you would ask the seller not only how the weapon function but under what condition(s) is/are best for the weapon.

China did predicted 'Vietnam War' casualties for the US. The PLA would not have made that prediction unless the generals were confident of what China sold and advised to the Iraqis.

And the clincher is that China modernized the PLA based upon the US military. Not only did you changed but you changed radically. You tossed the flawed doctrine of "The People's War", for example. If you are so confident of your ability, why would you change towards who is your presumed opponent ?

Cuba crisis in 1962 is a good example on how US is playing the dirty game, you guys allowed yourself to place nukes in Turkey near Soviet border but menace with nuclear war if Soviet put Nuke in Cuba soil, a bad loser like American is been expected, sure US will not give a Fcking for now because you know China don't have base in Cuba or Mexico and can't do the similar patrol as you guys did in Asia, but if China ever set a foot in South America to reciprocate with similar fashion as US did in Asia, Americans will certainly threaten China with war....the only way for China to deal with such bad loser is ...Nuclear + conventional parity.

Loser ?

Why did the Soviets not threatened Turkey ? The Soviets did nothing towards Turkey and they thought the US would do nothing towards Cuba. They were wrong. Blockading Cuba was no 'loser' move, buddy. It was bold. You think your China is going to try the Soviet path ?