Chinese officials warned US bomber during 'routine' East China Sea flyover

[A.P. Richelieu]

I thought ADIZ is not airspace??

If it is airspace then the country does have the right to shoot at any intruder. But not ADIZ.

US or Japan do not shoot at Russian strategic bomber when they intrude into US or Japan's ADIZ.

ADIZ is something any nation can declare.
It is not territory belonging to that nation.
It is not governed by any international treaty and is not applicable to military aircraft,
only civilian aircraft.

It is a convenient way to simplify monitoring the airspace of the ADIZ.
If a civilian airplane reports in as requested, then that "treat" can be checked off.
If it does not report in, and does not advertise its identity in any other way,
then the nation declaring the zone may or may not send fighters to discover
the identity and if the airplane tries to enter the airspace of the nation, it can be quickly handled.

Any plane can fly around in an ADIZ legally and totally ignore the nation declaring the ADIZ.

And no, the B-1B is not stealthy, the B-2 is.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Who is stronger and wiser here?

One who says, ' shooo, shoo... off you go. Don't do silly things'...

Or

One who does silly things just to create a non-event news cycle...to 'show' empty strength...

Wisdom is to avoid stupidity and silly conflicts... China acted wisely...

One just hopes that Mr. Trump and Pres. Xi can come to a win-win arrangement and develop a new path of Great Power Relationships in 21st century.

Avoidance of war is not weakness, rather mark of high wisdom and strength. China will everything in her power to avoid stupid, useless war and gain more time to enhance Comprehensive National Strength.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I wonder if this is demoralizing for the Chinese Military personnel.

Chinese air traffic controller: You are illegally operating in Chinese airspace..Leave immediately.

USAF: No we are in international air space, we are not going to leave and there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it, so we suggest you to correct your maps

Indians wouldn't even dare to declare ADIZ and laugh at other? LMAO.

The B-1, aka 'The Bone', is not 'stealth'.

But the real message that China received is that the Bone notifies you this time. Next time, your island base CO might be rudely awakened from his sleep by a low flying Bone that no one detected.

We would delight for next encounter, Chinese Army need to get acquainted with US military toy.

Are you sure it is not ? Remember, Iraq hired China.

If Iraq hired China, they wouldn't be defeated so easily, I bet that American would have think twice to get there.

 

[terranMarine]

Both DPRK and Vietcongs knocked on China's door for help, the results speak for themselves. But Iraq is too far away so there's no way China could have helped.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Stealth bomber detected and warned?, who is the winner here??

No bro B-1 is not stealth bomber, its B-2

 

[Nilgiri]

B-1 is about as stealthy as a small version of a Tu-160

 

[Ultima Thule]

B-1 is about as stealthy as a small version of a Tu-160

Actually Tu-160 is a bigger copy of B-1 B-1 inducted before Tu-160

 

[Oldman1]

B-1 is about as stealthy as a small version of a Tu-160

Still better looking IMO.

https://www.rt.com/news/382015-china-us-id-zone/

China asks US to respect air defense ID zone after report of B-1 flyover

China says the US should respect its self-declared air defense identification zone (ADIZ), after a report alleged that a US bomber illegally flew inside the area in the East China Sea.
“The United States has its own ADIZs. I think if this matter is true, they should respect China’s relevant ADIZ rights,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a daily news briefing on Thursday.

It comes after CNN reported that Chinese officials warned a US military aircraft flying near South Korea on Sunday, telling its pilots they were illegally operating in Chinese airspace and ordering the plane to leave.

 

[Muhammed45]

ADIZ is something any nation can declare.
It is not territory belonging to that nation.
It is not governed by any international treaty and is not applicable to military aircraft,
only civilian aircraft.

It is a convenient way to simplify monitoring the airspace of the ADIZ.
If a civilian airplane reports in as requested, then that "treat" can be checked off.
If it does not report in, and does not advertise its identity in any other way,
then the nation declaring the zone may or may not send fighters to discover
the identity and if the airplane tries to enter the airspace of the nation, it can be quickly handled.

Any plane can fly around in an ADIZ legally and totally ignore the nation declaring the ADIZ.

And no, the B-1B is not stealthy, the B-2 is.

Sorry bud,

• APQ-164 – designed for the US Air Force B-1 Lancer bomber, with a passive electronically scanned array.
• This radar is spying on Chinese airspace, calculating the Chinese systems' reaction time

China has all rights to secure it's airspace from bombers and spies !

 

[Deino]

Sorry bud,

• APQ-164 – designed for the US Air Force B-1 Lancer bomber, with a passive electronically scanned array.
• This radar is spying on Chinese airspace, calculating the Chinese systems' reaction time

China has all rights to secure it's airspace from bombers and spies !

The issue - even if You don't like it - is simply: it is not Chinese Airspace ! IT#s an international area, which China declared to monitor incoming and egressing airplanes. Many countries in the world have such ADIZ's and I really don't understand why China should not have one too ... but it is not a national sovereign airspace; plain and simple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone

Deino

 

[Oldman1]

The issue - even if You don't like it - is simply: it is not Chinese Airspace ! IT#s an international area, which China declared to monitor incoming and egressing airplanes. Many countries in the world have such ADIZ's and I really don't understand why China should not have one too ... but it is not a national sovereign airspace; plain and simple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone

Deino

China disagrees on that.
It comes after CNN reported that Chinese officials warned a US military aircraft flying near South Korea on Sunday, telling its pilots they were illegally operating in Chinese airspace and ordering the plane to leave.

 

[Nilgiri]

Actually Tu-160 is a bigger copy of B-1 B-1 inducted before Tu-160

Yeah I know....I was just kidding around.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

China disagrees on that.
It comes after CNN reported that Chinese officials warned a US military aircraft flying near South Korea on Sunday, telling its pilots they were illegally operating in Chinese airspace and ordering the plane to leave.

Don't talk like US is better than China, I'm pretty sure that US gave the same warning to Chinese patrol aircraft too, we just toke a page our of American book regarding ADIZ. China has nothing to lose to play this game.

 

[Oldman1]

Don't talk like US is better than China, I'm pretty sure that US gave the same warning to Chinese patrol aircraft too, we just toke a page our of American book regarding ADIZ. China has nothing to lose to play this game.

No you didn't. You practically took a page out of the American book and flipped and claim ADIZ is your own airspace. Which is not what it is. If you read the manual, you would know this. And if you have read it more, you know we will ignore it.

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/454001p.pdf

. POLICY
. It is DoD policythat:
a. DoD will continue to support and observe principles of established international law,
including those portions of Reference (d) that apply to S
tate aircraft
and customary international
law reflected in Reference (e). Such principles of international law i
nclude:
(1) No State has sovereignty over international airspace.
(2) All States enjoy the rights, freedoms, and lawful uses of airspace recognized under
customary international law reflected in Reference (e).

(3) All aircraft, including military aircraft, enjoy the following rights, freedoms, andlawful uses of airspace under international law:
(a) The right of transit passage through straits used for international navigation.
(b) The right of archipelagic sea lanes passage in the air routes over the archipelagic
waters of other States
.
(c) The freedoms of navigation and overflight and other internationally lawful uses
of the sea related to those freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of aircraft, in the
exclusive economic zones of other States
.
(d) The freedom of the high seas, which includes,inter alia, the freedoms ofnavigation and overflight.
b.
In accordance with the DoDI S-2005.01 (Reference (f)), U.S. military aircraft will respect
the maritime claims of otherS tates, including claims to airspace, that are consistent with
international law. U.S. military aircraft will not acquiesce in excessive maritime claims
by otherStates, including their claims to airspace, that, if left unchallenged, could limit the rights,
freedoms, and lawful uses of airspace recognized in international law.

c. When operating within international airspace, U.S. military aircraft may encounter airspace areas
that are either established unilaterally by another State or allocated to another
State by international agreement; in some circumstances, these airspace areas may overlap.
Personnel operating U.S. military aircraft in these areas of airspace will ensure that their aircraft
do not comply with aS tate’s requirementsfor those areas if the United States considers them to
be excessive claims under internation
al law. For a summary of what claims are considered to beexcessive, see the Maritime Claims Reference Manual
(Reference (g))
:
1) Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZs)
(a) DoD respects that aState may establish an ADIZ that geographically extends into
the international airspace adjacent to the State’s national airspace, but such ADIZs may not
impede the rights, freedoms, and lawful uses of airspace under international law of foreign
aircraft, including foreign military aircraft.
An ADIZ provides a practical method for a S
tate toidentify aircraft as potential threats to the State’s national security.
(b) DoD respects thatother S
tates may establish conditions for foreign aircraft to
enter into their national airspace and airports, including adherence to reasonable ADIZ procedures. However, DoD
does not recognize efforts by otherS tates to impose such ADIZ procedures upon foreign aircraft that are only transiting international airspace within the S
tate’sADIZ without any intention to enter the State’s national airspace.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

No you didn't. You practically took a page out of the American book and flipped and claim ADIZ is your own airspace. Which is not what it is. If you read the manual, you would know this. And if you have read it more, you know we will ignore it.

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/454001p.pdf

. POLICY
. It is DoD policythat:
a. DoD will continue to support and observe principles of established international law,
including those portions of Reference (d) that apply to S
tate aircraft
and customary international
law reflected in Reference (e). Such principles of international law i
nclude:
(1) No State has sovereignty over international airspace.
(2) All States enjoy the rights, freedoms, and lawful uses of airspace recognized under
customary international law reflected in Reference (e).

(3) All aircraft, including military aircraft, enjoy the following rights, freedoms, andlawful uses of airspace under international law:
(a) The right of transit passage through straits used for international navigation.
(b) The right of archipelagic sea lanes passage in the air routes over the archipelagic
waters of other States
.
(c) The freedoms of navigation and overflight and other internationally lawful uses
of the sea related to those freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of aircraft, in the
exclusive economic zones of other States
.
(d) The freedom of the high seas, which includes,inter alia, the freedoms ofnavigation and overflight.
b.
In accordance with the DoDI S-2005.01 (Reference (f)), U.S. military aircraft will respect
the maritime claims of otherS tates, including claims to airspace, that are consistent with
international law. U.S. military aircraft will not acquiesce in excessive maritime claims
by otherStates, including their claims to airspace, that, if left unchallenged, could limit the rights,
freedoms, and lawful uses of airspace recognized in international law.

c. When operating within international airspace, U.S. military aircraft may encounter airspace areas
that are either established unilaterally by another State or allocated to another
State by international agreement; in some circumstances, these airspace areas may overlap.
Personnel operating U.S. military aircraft in these areas of airspace will ensure that their aircraft
do not comply with aS tate’s requirementsfor those areas if the United States considers them to
be excessive claims under internation
al law. For a summary of what claims are considered to beexcessive, see the Maritime Claims Reference Manual
(Reference (g))
:
1) Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZs)
(a) DoD respects that aState may establish an ADIZ that geographically extends into
the international airspace adjacent to the State’s national airspace, but such ADIZs may not
impede the rights, freedoms, and lawful uses of airspace under international law of foreign
aircraft, including foreign military aircraft.
An ADIZ provides a practical method for a S
tate toidentify aircraft as potential threats to the State’s national security.
(b) DoD respects thatother S
tates may establish conditions for foreign aircraft to
enter into their national airspace and airports, including adherence to reasonable ADIZ procedures. However, DoD
does not recognize efforts by otherS tates to impose such ADIZ procedures upon foreign aircraft that are only transiting international airspace within the S
tate’sADIZ without any intention to enter the State’s national airspace.

US can write ever crap it wants but Americans never practice what they preach but ask other to do what they said and not what they do. Imagine if China combine a floating nuclear plant with floating Radar and dispatch to US west coast, we can vitually monitor deep inside US territory for life time, even if it's in the international water, are American gonna accept that? American only write rules that is advantageous to them and think to have high moral ground.