Chinese officials warn Christianity is 'enormous harm' to society

[AViet]

I know Vietnam has different culture and mindset than Indonesia.

What we are talking here is which society that is more open minded, while you claim confucius society is more open minded than western society. If we talk "open minded" the parameter is simple: "Equality" and "Tolerance". The more you consider other equal and if you can tolerate other belief, then you are open minded, and vice versa.

You can't claim yourself open minded if you discriminate and oppress people with belief different than yours. If you dont see religion other than christian are oppressed in western society, that suggest western society is more open minded.

I understand that religion is enemy of the communism, and communism may need to oppress religion for the political purpose; but you can't claim that as the open minded at once.

Equality and tolerance? In all East Asian Confucius societies, both values have been far more developed than in any western society, past and present.

You never read my posts thoroughly, don't you?

 

[antonius123]

Equality and tolerance? In all East Asian Confucius societies, both values have been far more developed than in any western society, past and present.

You never read my posts thoroughly, don't you?

Yes i have read ... but thats only claim right? No evidence.

Any evidence that your society value equality among religion, belief, gender and sex orientation far better than western society?

 

[Boss Dragun]

In what way confusius society is far more open minded? what is the measurement?

If you can't understand why some people have different belief than yours, how come you consider your self "open minded" ?

You don't know they have some mushed up religion in a supposedly commie country? Oh don't worry, they have no idea about what they're doing at all too. Not when they group the prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) with the Antichrist.

Apparently the Jews aren't the only one preparing for the coming of the Antichrist, some Asians are doing it just fine. They call this sect cao dai.

 

[rott]

This OP is doing Chinese and Hindus a big favor.

 

[AViet]

Yes i have read ... but thats only claim right? No evidence.

Any evidence that your society value equality among religion, belief, gender and sex orientation far better than western society?

Any evidence that Western societies value equality your society value equality among religion, belief, gender and sex orientation as good as Confucius societies?

Nazi from Germany, lynching blacks as recent as 1950s - 1960s in the US, Charlie Hebdo in France, forcing Muslim women to strip their Islam swimming suit in France, burning morques (so many cases), mass killing Muslims in New Zealand in 2019 ... are enough examples in modern history about a barbaric, intolerant West. How about neo-fascist and anti-Semitic. The Jews and Roma have been living in Europe for thousands years and can be considered native, but still discriminated by mass population, not because they are doing anything against societies, but just because they are Jews and Roma. As recent as 1960, native Sami in Finland or Sweden were still discriminated, just because they were Sami and nomad and therefore, different to the other Finns or Swedes.

None of these things ever exists in Confucius societies.

About gender equality, Vietnam has always been one of the best in the world since ancient times.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Half of my families from my maternity grand parents are Christians, they are the liberal type that will pray and pay homage to our ancestors and the deceased in Buddhist way and folk traditions.

I also have known several converted Christians who called themselves "Born Again Christians". These are the types that I despised because they throw away the traditional bondage between family members and abide strictly to their new found religion.

They refused to pay homage to their parent who passed away, and refused to follow traditional rituals which are cultural rather than religion, refused to knee down in front of their parent's coffin. Anything that is traditional is forbidden. Their parent was not a Christian, so they refused to participate most of the funeral ritual. How disgusting!!!

You took the words from my mouth. I agree completely with the Bold part. Maybe most people most people don't understand how you can still maintain your traditions while being religious. In fact some Born gain Christians and Muslims seem to have this in common.
However, i think its kind of tricky as well, Since for most religions, you only have to pray to/worship/bow down to GOD(or the one they consider their GOD). So that's the reason many religious people( i mean the devout ones) find it difficult to carry on with their past cultural/traditional beliefs and ceremonies which often run contrary with their religious scriptures/beliefs. So it;s a tricky one.

 

[antonius123]

Any evidence that Western societies value equality your society value equality among religion, belief, gender and sex orientation as good as Confucius societies?

Nazi from Germany, lynching blacks as recent as 1950s - 1960s in the US, Charlie Hebdo in France, forcing Muslim women to strip their Islam swimming suit in France, burning morques (so many cases), mass killing Muslims in New Zealand in 2019 ... are enough examples in modern history about a barbaric, intolerant West. How about neo-fascist and anti-Semitic. The Jews and Roma have been living in Europe for thousands years and can be considered native, but still discriminated by mass population, not because they are doing anything against societies, but just because they are Jews and Roma. As recent as 1960, native Sami in Finland or Sweden were still discriminated, just because they were Sami and nomad and therefore, different to the other Finns or Swedes.

None of these things ever exists in Confucius societies.

About gender equality, Vietnam has always been one of the best in the world since ancient times.

LOLs. You use NAZI - the enemy of Western Society as the example of discrimination in western society .. what a logic

Clear example/evidence why western society is more open minded:
- they tolerate any kind or religion, no oppression like that in some asian and middle east countries
- they tolerate any kind of belief as long as the belief is non harmful like NAZI, no oppression like that in some asian and middle east countries
- they sees woman as equal as man in every aspect of life
- they tolerate LGBT and same sex marriage

Which asian country meet those above?

Christian fundamentalists like the one sitting in the white house and the type of xtian Zionism these zealots propagate in east Asia IS a real problem. They become a 3rd column in many countries and agitated against numerous states. I don't think anyone has a problem with more traditional forms of Christianity, especially those that have their roots well away from the western world.


Hindus were killing each other and in general, polytheists were killing each other until monotheists came along. Get over your 5000 year inferiority complex already..

Whats wrong with Christian Fundamentalist?

As long as they don't teach murderer and other kind of harmful teaching againts humanity it should be no problem at all.

Western society can accept any religion: christian fundamentalist, islam, hindu, budha etc they dont live under oppression in Europe and US; means their society are tolerant and open minded, though it is not 100% ideal in realization.

Many religions and beliefs are contradicting each other: christian vs islam, christian vs communism, islam vs communisme, buddha vs communism, budha vs islam, etc.
It doesnt matter, what we need in society is "TOLERANCE" toward other people with different belief/religion and being "OPEN MINDED".

 

[Boss Dragun]

LOLs. You use NAZI - the enemy of Western Society as the example of discrimination in western society .. what a logic

Clear example/evidence why western society is more open minded:
- they tolerate any kind or religion, no oppression like that in some asian and middle east countries
- they tolerate any kind of belief as long as the belief is non harmful like NAZI, no oppression like that in some asian and middle east countries
- they sees woman as equal as man in every aspect of life
- they tolerate LGBT and same sex marriage

Which asian country meet those above?

Lol no. They're no better than the Asians. Remember those many racial slurs, right? They invented them and the whole world uses it. You can't compare between poop and turd, because both are shits.

 

[antonius123]

Lol no. They're no better than the Asians. Remember those many racial slurs, right? They invented them and the whole world uses it. You can't compare between poop and turd, because both are shits.

Racist exist everywhere!

As I told you before: racist is lowest in homogenous society and high in multicultural/multi ethnic society.

 

[AViet]

LOLs. You use NAZI - the enemy of Western Society as the example of discrimination in western society .. what a logic

Clear example/evidence why western society is more open minded:
- they tolerate any kind or religion, no oppression like that in some asian and middle east countries
- they tolerate any kind of belief as long as the belief is non harmful like NAZI, no oppression like that in some asian and middle east countries
- they sees woman as equal as man in every aspect of life
- they tolerate LGBT and same sex marriage

Which asian country meet those above?




Whats wrong with Christian Fundamentalist?

As long as they don't teach murderer and other kind of harmful teaching againts humanity it should be no problem at all.

Western society can accept any religion: christian fundamentalist, islam, hindu, budha etc they dont live under oppression in Europe and US; means their society are tolerant and open minded, though it is not 100% ideal in realization.

Many religions and beliefs are contradicting each other: christian vs islam, christian vs communism, islam vs communisme, buddha vs communism, budha vs islam, etc.
It doesnt matter, what we need in society is "TOLERANCE" toward other people with different belief/religion and being "OPEN MINDED".

Tolerate any kind of religion? possibly better than Middle East, yes, but compared to Confucius societies???? What world you are living in or what drug you are using?

There is no real religion in all Confucius societies and basically I can consider either Buddha or Confucius or Jesus just like my friend, not "God", therefore, there is not anything called religious tolerance, because there is no religion. Indonesia and China are as different as Yemen and Sweden about religion issue, therefore, stop use the term "Asia". You and Confucius societies have very little in common.

Some Muslims in China are persecuted because they want to make trouble (separatist movement), not because they are Muslims. Tajik, Salar, Hui and Utsul etc. are Muslims, but they do not have any separatist movement, and hence, never been persecuted. But in the West, Muslims and Jews were and are being discriminated against just because they are Muslims and Jews and have different belief with the mass.

 

[antonius123]

Tolerate any kind of religion? possibly better than Middle East, yes, but compared to Confucius societies???? What world you are living in or what drug you are using?

There is no real religion in all Confucius societies and basically I can consider either Buddha or Confucius or Jesus just like my friend, not "God", therefore, there is not anything called religious tolerance, because there is no religion. Indonesia and China are as different as Yemen and Sweden about religion issue, therefore, stop use the term "Asia". You and Confucius societies have very little in common.

Some Muslims in China are persecuted because they want to make trouble (separatist movement), not because they are Muslims. Tajik, Salar, Hui and Utsul etc. are Muslims, but they do not have any separatist movement, and hence, never been persecuted. But in the West, Muslims and Jews were and are being discriminated against just because they are Muslims and Jews and have different belief with the mass.

LOLs.

With these you dare to claim that Vietnam as confusius society is better than western society in term of tolerance to religion?

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/...christians-attacked-forced-to-renounce-christ

Vietnam sits at No. 17 on Open Doors’ World Watch List of countries where Christians face the most persecution. Muret says churches must register with the government, list all of its members, and even provide a calendar listing each sermon and its topic every year.
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/christians-face-increased-persecution-vietnam/

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...g-christians-are-persecuted-their-beliefs-why

You can see country to watch due to christian persecution here:
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/
Most are middle east and confusius society

Your question should be aimed at your self: What world you are living in or what drug you are using?

 

[AViet]

LOLs.

With these you dare to claim that Vietnam as confusius society is better than western society in term of tolerance to religion?

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/...christians-attacked-forced-to-renounce-christ

Vietnam sits at No. 17 on Open Doors’ World Watch List of countries where Christians face the most persecution. Muret says churches must register with the government, list all of its members, and even provide a calendar listing each sermon and its topic every year.
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/christians-face-increased-persecution-vietnam/

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...g-christians-are-persecuted-their-beliefs-why

Your question should be aimed at your self: What world you are living in or what drug you are using?

LOLs.

With these you dare to claim that Vietnam as confusius society is better than western society in term of tolerance to religion?

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/...christians-attacked-forced-to-renounce-christ

Vietnam sits at No. 17 on Open Doors’ World Watch List of countries where Christians face the most persecution. Muret says churches must register with the government, list all of its members, and even provide a calendar listing each sermon and its topic every year.
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/christians-face-increased-persecution-vietnam/

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...g-christians-are-persecuted-their-beliefs-why

You can see country to watch due to christian persecution here:
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/
Most are middle east and confusius society

Your question should be aimed at your self: What world you are living in or what drug you are using?

LOLs.

With these you dare to claim that Vietnam as confusius society is better than western society in term of tolerance to religion?

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/...christians-attacked-forced-to-renounce-christ

Vietnam sits at No. 17 on Open Doors’ World Watch List of countries where Christians face the most persecution. Muret says churches must register with the government, list all of its members, and even provide a calendar listing each sermon and its topic every year.
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/christians-face-increased-persecution-vietnam/

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...g-christians-are-persecuted-their-beliefs-why

You can see country to watch due to christian persecution here:
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/
Most are middle east and confusius society

Your question should be aimed at your self: What world you are living in or what drug you are using?

Christian in Vietnam have never been persecuted because they are Christian, but because they are making trouble to society. Around 10 years ago, they wanted to claim the area around the Big Church in Hanoi, which were allocated to the Church by the French during colonial time. Government did not accept that, then Christian (around several hundreds) made protest. Similar with the area near Dong Da hospital in Hanoi. In both cases, they made loudly protests and chaos in Hanoi for months. Similar cases in Ha Tinh provinces.

Of course, western propaganda, spared no chance to bad mouth a communist country, made the cases as "discrimination against religious freedom"

 

[antonius123]

Christian in Vietnam have never been persecuted because they are Christian, but because they are making trouble to society. Around 10 years ago, they wanted to claim the area around the Big Church in Hanoi, which were allocated to the Church by the French during colonial time. Government did not accept that, then Christian (around several hundreds) made protest. Similar with the area near Dong Da hospital in Hanoi. In both cases, they made loudly protests and chaos in Hanoi for months. Similar cases in Ha Tinh provinces.

Of course, western propaganda, spared no chance to bad mouth a communist country, made the cases as "discrimination against religious freedom"

You call those persecution as Not a persecution? LOL what a joke and denial.

Vietnam’s Hmong Christians are persecuted for their beliefs. Why does their faith make the government so uneasy?

• There are an estimated 300,000 Hmong Christians living in Vietnam
• The government sees their belief in Jesus Christ as the messiah as a possible touchstone for separatists

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...g-christians-are-persecuted-their-beliefs-why​

They (300,000 Hmong) are persecuted because paranoia of your government that seeing their belief in Jesus as messiah as a possible touchstone for separatist. In fact christian is not a kind of religion that motivate their adherent to be separatist, christian teach their adherent to obey government. This is simply paranoia of government / other belief.

Is this what you call as the "high tolerance" and "open mindset" of confucian society? LOL.