Chinese officials warn Christianity is 'enormous harm' to society

[AViet]

In what way confusius society is far more open minded? what is the measurement?

If you can't understand why some people have different belief than yours, how come you consider your self "open minded" ?

Confucius societies never discriminate anyone because of his religion or his belief, unless he want to make trouble and crime to societies. It is totally different to Western values. They are too ideologist and anything seems to always go to so extreme (from communism to liberal democracy to Christianity values) that they cannot accept the opposition. in China and Vietnam we can accept the value of liberal democracies (or any governance system), but I believe no Western "democratic" government dare to openly admit that there are many great aspects of communism and there are many shortfalls in universal democratic system. In opposite, Confucius societies believe that there is nothing absolutely good and nothing absolutely bad.

For most Vietnamese (same with Chinese), Buddha, Confucius, Alla or Jesus are just like teachers or advisors, not "God" (sorry if I offence someone). We respect them but not follow them totally. Our late president Ho Chi Minh once said "I believe that Buddha, Confucius, Alla and Jesus will be good friends in the other world, because all of them want happiness to his people. I would like to become their little student".

In science development, there is no taboo area like in Western societies, past and current.

 

[Feng Leng]

No brother mamadou, as i said before, if you are catholic - even more scrutiny; they feel that you are obeying another leader vs Mao.

The new leadership is hellbent on destroying all forms of worship very similar to the Soviet model.

The CCP has a deal with the Vatican. Evangelical Christians are going down. Try again.

 

[denel]

The CCP has a deal with the Vatican. Evangelical Christians are going down. Try again.

not responding to CCCP trolls.

 

[antonius123]

Confucius societies never discriminate anyone because of his religion or his belief, unless he want to make trouble and crime to societies. It is totally different to Western values. They are too ideologist and anything seems to always go to so extreme (from communism to liberal democracy to Christianity values) that they cannot accept the opposition. in China and Vietnam we can accept the value of liberal democracies (or any governance system), but I believe no Western "democratic" government dare to openly admit that there are many great aspects of communism and there are many shortfalls in universal democratic system. In opposite, Confucius societies believe that there is nothing absolutely good and nothing absolutely bad.

For most Vietnamese (same with Chinese), Buddha, Confucius, Alla or Jesus are just like teachers or advisors, not "God" (sorry if I offence someone). We respect them but not follow them totally. Our late president Ho Chi Minh once said "I believe that Buddha, Confucius, Alla and Jesus will be good friends in the other world, because all of them want happiness to his people. I would like to become their little student".

In science development, there is no taboo area like in Western societies, past and current.

Discrimination mostly come from the human nature, not from the religion; at least not from some religion/belief we are talking about (christian, confusian, hindu, buddha, etc). Discrimination can happen in any society regardless their religion. Can you tell me the discrimination taught in christian teaching or any other religion teaching? I dont deny there could be any religion/belief in this world that teach discrimination, but christian is not one of them. In fact christian teach us to love all human WITHOUT discrimination, and God love every nation-tribe-clan without exception.

Usually discrimination tend to happen in society with multi culture/multiethnics. If you say that vietnam/taiwan/korean/japanese society as the example of low discriminative confucius societies than any other asian societies, then it can be explained by homogenousity of their society rather than their religion.

I dont think discrimination is more rampant in western society than in confucius society; in fact western society emphasize more equality among people than asian societies including confucius society, not only in term of clan, religion or ethnicity, but also even in gender and sex orientation, etc; though the realization might not be that ideal. Than suggest that western societies is more open minded than ours.

 

[AViet]

Discrimination mostly come from the human nature, not from the religion; at least not from some religion/belief we are talking about (christian, confusian, hindu, buddha, etc). Discrimination can happen in any society regardless their religion. Can you tell me the discrimination taught in christian teaching or any other religion teaching? I dont deny there could be any religion/belief in this world that teach discrimination, but christian is not one of them. In fact christian teach us to love all human WITHOUT discrimination, and God love every nation-tribe-clan without exception.

Usually discrimination tend to happen in society with multi culture/multiethnics. If you say that vietnam/taiwan/korean/japanese society as the example of low discriminative confucius societies than any other asian societies, then it can be explained by homogenousity of their society rather than their religion.

I dont think discrimination is more rampant in western society than in confucius society; in fact western society emphasize more equality among people than asian societies including confucius society, not only in term of clan, religion or ethnicity, but also even in gender and sex orientation, etc; though the realization might not be that ideal. Than suggest that western societies is more open minded than ours.

Indonesia is never a Confucius society and I believe you have different value than us. Although both are in ASEAN, we are as different as Germany and Syria in the way of thinking or even more so. Therefore, you do not understand us and cannot judge us.

In Vietnam, Hong Duc law by Emperor Le Thanh Tong was perhaps the world's first law which recognized the equality between son and daughter on inheritance and throughout our history, woman have always been in high regard (and as everywhere, the realization might not be ideal). We never discriminate against clan, religion or ethnicity, although there are almost 60 ethnic minorities.

Since perhaps 100 BC, our mandarins have always been selected based on his talent, not his family, while it started to happen in Western societies only in 18 - 19 centuries. The equality in Western societies, if any, is a very recent phenomenon (perhaps only became reality after WWI) and still very superficial.

 

[AViet]

Our late president Ho Chi Minh once said "I believe that Buddha, Confucius, Alla and Jesus will be good friends in the other world, because all of them want happiness to his people. I would like to become their little student"..

Can you ever hear a Western leader openly say that? Never. Even in next 500 years.

One more thing: we can open to every kind of food and can never understand the taboo of western societies to dog meat. It is so barbaric, not unlike some jungle tribes in Africa, who consider taboo to eat pork or monkey meats.

 

[antonius123]

Indonesia is never a Confucius society and I believe you have different value than us. Although both are in ASEAN, we are as different as Germany and Syria in the way of thinking or even more so. Therefore, you do not understand us and cannot judge us.

In Vietnam, Hong Duc law by Emperor Le Thanh Tong was perhaps the world's first law which recognized the equality between son and daughter on inheritance and throughout our history, woman have always been in high regard (and as everywhere, the realization might not be ideal). We never discriminate against clan, religion or ethnicity, although there are almost 60 ethnic minorities.

Since perhaps 100 BC, our mandarins have always been selected based on his talent, not his family, while it started to happen in Western societies only in 18 - 19 centuries. The equality in Western societies, if any, is a very recent phenomenon (perhaps only became reality after WWI) and still very superficial.

I know Vietnam has different culture and mindset than Indonesia.

What we are talking here is which society that is more open minded, while you claim confucius society is more open minded than western society. If we talk "open minded" the parameter is simple: "Equality" and "Tolerance". The more you consider other equal and if you can tolerate other belief, then you are open minded, and vice versa.

You can't claim yourself open minded if you discriminate and oppress people with belief different than yours. If you dont see religion other than christian are oppressed in western society, that suggest western society is more open minded.

I understand that religion is enemy of the communism, and communism may need to oppress religion for the political purpose; but you can't claim that as the open minded at once.

 

[Vikki]

As I already said earlier, Islam and Christianity are not compatible with peaceful and generous civilisations of Indiaand China..they only make people lose rational thinking...I would support China in its moves against Islam and christianity....I am pretty sure China will not be so hard on peaceful religions like buddhism.

Sorry to say...Islam and Christianity have nothing to offer to Chinese or Indian civilisations which are thousands of years ahead in their philosophies...we dont divide people calling kafir and momeen or believer and infidel....

Christianity was, and still is a primitive religion and it will never go with our living philosophy. You do not want Islam to have influence on your culture, so do we to Christianity.

Christianity in general (although some sect can be more open than others) can never be living in harmony with our open-minded, advanced thinking Confucious societies.

You have literally taken words out of my mouth man..these religions have a pseudo superiority...according to them confuscious people like you and hindus and buddhists like me burn in hell...its amazing how these religions which are made up by some primitive tribes had decimated a far more advanced and sophisticated religion like buddhism in Indian sub continent..thank god we hindus are iron willed..
We saw to it we are not overrun by these religions...
But millions of hindus died for centuries in the hands of muslim kings...any flexibility from your side will literally wipe out your civilisation mate.

 

[Mamadouso]

No brother mamadou, as i said before, if you are catholic - even more scrutiny; they feel that you are obeying another leader vs Mao.

The new leadership is hellbent on destroying all forms of worship very similar to the Soviet model.

Yes I have mentioned the overly brutal internal policy of China is not good. Maybe other Christian denomination are getting swept in the net - but you have to agree the current US Evangelical movement is responsible for increasing backwardness all over.

Socially the US is regressing immensely since these Evangelical Christians got power with George Bush.

China is wise to be wary of the Evangelical Christians.

 

[Vikki]

Yes I have mentioned the overly brutal internal policy of China is not good. Maybe other Christian denomination are getting swept in the net - but you have to agree the current US Evangelical movement is responsible for increasing backwardness all over.

Socially the US is regressing immensely since these Evangelical Christians got power with George Bush.

China is wise to be wary of the Evangelical Christians.

China and India should be wary of any sect of Christianity and Islam..
Any religion that says my god is the only true god and my book is the real gods book has no place in modern societies

 

[Rasengan]

From my own experience the Chinese have no problem with Christians, but where the mistrust begins is where you have South Korean preachers coming over and doing dodgy things.

 

[Menthol]

LUOLLL

I guess, it is true!

I think religions from the West, are always hijacked with political interest.

Like they are a single package.

So, whatever there are these religions in a country, there will be rebellion, separatist movement, etc.

Just remember Manichaeism in the past.

 

[Offshore]

From my own experience the Chinese have no problem with Christians, but where the mistrust begins is where you have South Korean preachers coming over and doing dodgy things.

Beijing only got problem with underground Christian, they preaching anti state and loyalty to vatican, that's why they got spanked real hard
if not because taiwan issue, China won't even look at vatican.

 

[Rasengan]

Beijing only got problem with underground Christian, they preaching anti state and loyalty to vatican, that's why they got spanked real hard
if not because taiwan issue, China won't even look at vatican.

I agree the CPC Govt has no problem with any religion, but if you meddle with the social order of the country and do dodgy things....then they'll spank you.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Then why Christianity can be harmony in the most open minded advanced thinking USA, Europe, Russia, South Korea, and also moslem dominant Indonesia?

Christian fundamentalists like the one sitting in the white house and the type of xtian Zionism these zealots propagate in east Asia IS a real problem. They become a 3rd column in many countries and agitated against numerous states. I don't think anyone has a problem with more traditional forms of Christianity, especially those that have their roots well away from the western world.

As I already said earlier, Islam and Christianity are not compatible with peaceful and generous civilisations of Indiaand China..they only make people lose rational thinking...I would support China in its moves against Islam and christianity....I am pretty sure China will not be so hard on peaceful religions like buddhism.

Sorry to say...Islam and Christianity have nothing to offer to Chinese or Indian civilisations which are thousands of years ahead in their philosophies...we dont divide people calling kafir and momeen or believer and infidel....


You have literally taken words out of my mouth man..these religions have a pseudo superiority...according to them confuscious people like you and hindus and buddhists like me burn in hell...its amazing how these religions which are made up by some primitive tribes had decimated a far more advanced and sophisticated religion like buddhism in Indian sub continent..thank god we hindus are iron willed..
We saw to it we are not overrun by these religions...
But millions of hindus died for centuries in the hands of muslim kings...any flexibility from your side will literally wipe out your civilisation mate.

Hindus were killing each other and in general, polytheists were killing each other until monotheists came along. Get over your 5000 year inferiority complex already..