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Chinese Nuclear Submarine Seen At Karachi, Too Close For Comfort

i know indians have the capability to track subs.track chinese sub,destroy it and feel good.in this way,chinese subs will never come again to karachi.just do it,get yourself in an aggressive posture.if you believe Cpec isn't good,stop it.do something,don't criticize pak chinese friendship.do whatever you thinks is best for your country india!
 
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i have never said that chinese are protecting us.they are protecting the project.but your objection is the visit of chinese sub.i am simply telling you to stop the sub next time.what do you think about pakistan?do you think that we are having the same 65 and 71 situation in our country? everything is changed now.we have made our own missile systems and we have everything to track you as well.i am simply asking you to take action if you feel jealous about chinese sub presence.
 
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The 1970s-era Type 091 is hardly a "premiere" submarine when most units of the class have already been retired. Additionally, the article mentioned that the boat was spotted only by satellite imagery after it had surfaced and docked.

Obviously,No country's Navy mentions openly that they're following someone's submarine closely.

You do know that during cold war,USN Subs would follow Russian subs right after they'd leave their harbor,right??Its same with almost every Navy in the world.Sub warfare is a game of cat and mouse.
 
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Then you are agreeing that your country is under Chinese protection. Its quite surprising how Islamic republic of Pakistan needs infidel.kafir ,non believers protection.By the friend we have nothing to worry about cpec its just a infrastructure project but we closely monitoring Chinese military presence.

i just want to ask one question ashok.why are you monitoring chinese presence in indian ocean? they have never said that they want confrontation with indian navy.why india is so worry? what is the reason of objection? do you think that china wants confrontation or do you believe that you want confrontation against chinese navy? do you really think that china and india will fight a war? a war really?
 
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i just want to ask one question ashok.why are you monitoring chinese presence in indian ocean? they have never said that they want confrontation with indian navy.why india is so worry? what is the reason of objection? do you think that china wants confrontation or do you believe that you want confrontation against chinese navy? do you really think that china and india will fight a war? a war really?
Yes ,i think Chinese just using Pakistan as a tool against India.Yes billions of dollars Indian spending on its armed forces and nuclear missile ,submarines for preparation of war against China and Pakistan only.We don't have other enemies now.
 
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Few of our subs and an aircraft carrier is already there ;)

Lolz and what will indian ships do ? Challenge China in SCS ?
Then who will save new delhi from the raim of rocket artillery ? Hanuman? :D
They are your neighbour . you arnt australia.
 
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LOL!

Bro, Indians have been colonized/enslaved for 1000 years that's why they doubt everyone's motives. They have no friends that's why they doubt friendship. They love themselves, that's why they think everyone must love them. Seriously bro, when dealing with India you have to imagine you are dealing with a mental patient. Indians are a nation suffering from very very low self-esteem. That is why they make model citizens in the West-servile,humble and apologetic. But they harbour delusions of grandeur-like the 'picked-on guy' standing in the mirror and what does he see back? Sylvester Stallone! Be gentle with Indians. They are a suicide risk.
you savage :cheers:
 
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Pakistan got a new master and they are so happy .No self respect?

It is not your fault you see "masters" everywhere .. Has to do with you psyche of bending over and being everybody's bitxh
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As the other member said.. And I've personally observed ... You people are passive in real life...

Then you are agreeing that your country is under Chinese protection. Its quite surprising how Islamic republic of Pakistan needs infidel.kafir ,non believers protection.By the friend we have nothing to worry about cpec its just a infrastructure project but we closely monitoring Chinese military presence.

I'm sure do.. You closely monitor when they camp in your territory and show you a middle finger.
 
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First I live in a civilised world and expect civilised salutations, "Mr".

Second, it would have been really laudable when you had gotten some results out of the investment but you got dumped to mess and mud aaaall the time and you will be dumped in the same pit again.

LOL, that's why I called you the i word above. You are absolutely clueless (just as majority of your fellow countrymen).

You actually think we haven't gotten any results for ourselves due to our military interventions, alliances, and geopolitical maneuvering?

Here's a little insight from Pakistani perspective (Take 3 minutes to actually read if you want to get enlightened).

Benefits for Pakistan's Afghan intervention against Soviet Union

Background

When Soviet invaded Afghanistan, nobody in the world thought that Soviets could "fail" in the region thanks to their immense military strength, suitable situation in Afghanistan as influential government/Civil factions were Pro-communist in Afghanistan, and Soviet's complete control over Central Asia (hence they did not have to fight a prolonged war with stretch logistics like U.S in Vietnam. They were literally fighting in their backyard). Soviet Invasion was literally heavens for india but for Pakistan, It was a disaster. We were Sandwiched between hostile global Superpower (USSR) military fsupporting anti-Pakistan government to our West (Afghanistan) and our arch enemy to the East (india). Plus, our geography is such that we did not have any depth as Pakistan is a latitudinal country and our West-to-East "width" is very little (especially compared to India). So absolutely worst case scenrio (likes of which modern indian military has never faced).

Any other nation in such situation would have given up, but Pakistan isn't any other nation. We launched our effort against Godzilla itself (Soviets). We started to train insurgents and sent our officers to lead the fight against Soviet forces invading our Western flank. In the beginning, when Pakistani military and diplomatic officials asked for U.S backing--the U.S administration responded "Afghanistan is a closed chapter for us" (Reagen's exact words) since they did not believe in the viability of defeating USSR in its own backyard (border regions). This has been very well documented in the works of Pakistani diplomats and retired military officers from the era (and not disputed by US at all). It was only AFTER the initial successes of Pakistani-led covert war against the Soviet Union that U.S saw "viability" of financially investing in Pakistani (covert) war effort against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

So Pakistan and its intelligence were the prime geopolitical party in launching a counter covert war against the Soviet invasion. We were later joined by our allies (Arab states and U.S) due to alignment of their ideological and national interests with ours.

Defeat of hostile superpower

Our war efforts resulted in Soviet defeat in Afghanistan (which contributed significantly to it's dismemberment). In this way, we defeated the hostile superpower. Soviets were always aligned with our enemy (india) and they showed their extreme enmity in 71' war by openly supporting india in every way against us. We not only took our revenge, but also defang our enemy's most powerful supporter internationally.

Domination of our Western flank by installing pro-Pakistan government in Afghanistan

Furthermore, we completely destroyed anti-Pakistan Afghan factions in the aftermath of war. Our proxies took over the hostile country and absolutely decimate any Afghan capacity to rise against us in any meaningful manner. In this geopolitical masterstroke, we completely secured our Western flank forever. No Afghan government (even if pro-India) can ever challenge us ever again from Western front. Hence, we successfully protected Pakistan's survival from any serious harm origination from Afghanistan. We gained unprecedented influence in Afghanistan which we still hold today. Afghanistan can never rise up against us, even if government of Afghanistan is "anti-Pakistan" in nature. We control decisive factors in Afghanistan locally (Pushtoon population factions, Afghan Talibans). All thanks to our efforts and geopolitical investments in the region.

Completion of our nuclear program

A lot of people (even in Pakistan) forget that Afghan war decade allowed us the critical time to become a full fledged nuclear weapons power. By fighting against Soviets in Afghanistan successfully, and bringing the United States in side of our support (for their own greater interests)--we developed a window whereby the West couldn't outright stop us from developing our nuclear weapons even though it knew that we were becoming a nuclear weapons state (from just being nuclear energy producing state before). That is why literally right after USSR left Afghanistan, we were sanctioned by the U.S (But by that time, we had already built our nuclear weapons). Our strategy of fighting USSR was absolutely critical for us to complete our nuclear weapons program without Western intervention (which was an absolute possibility, as events have shown us in the aftermath of Afghan war).

Our role as an Islamic state for wider global Islamic civilization

As we all know, Pakistan was created as an Islamic state---and post 1960's identified itself as part of the global Islamic Civilization rather than being "indian by culture"...So our Afghan war effort gave us an opportunity to stand for our own stated values and state vision.

As discussed above, any other nation facing the odds we faced would have 'surrendered' to the mighty Soviet Union at the time, entered the 'Soviet bloc', and would have enjoyed the benefits in terms of economic development. Afghanistan got run over by soviets? who cares? Each nation protect its own interests and bending down for your own survival isn't something out of this world, right? But no, Pakistan refused to bend down against the red plague that had openly declared war on Islam, destroyed thousands of Mosques, and officially banned Islam from lands it engulfed.

Pakistan's involvement in Afghan war brought millions of refugees, Islamic extremism, and drug wars to Pakistani cities and we haven't recovered since. Consequentially, we lost thousands of our citizens in last three decades (a fact indians love to bring up).

But here's another way of looking at it.

Pakistan, being an Islamic State, took the initiative and confronted the Soviet might in the mountainous rigid lands of Afghanistan (later U.S and Arabs joined in with their help, funding, weapons etc). The war proved a critical nail in Soviet's coffin, especially its rule across Central Asia---and eventually communism fell...Guess what happen as a result?

After fall of Soviet...Islam further gained 4,000,000 sq km territory and whole Central Asia also became decisively "Muslim-Majority" (Mashallah to that!). Tens of millions of Muslims were free from communist persecution. Thousands of mosques were opened inside Russian mainland, let alone in wider Central Asia. Global Islamic Civilisation extended even further globally and established itself in all corners of planet Earth. So much so that today, Islamic Civilisation has established itself in the heartlands of West..with tens of millions Islamic people establishing thousands of thriving communities all across West with their own unique culture, religion, and identity.

In this regard, Pakistan played its role of being an "Islamic state" under which vision it was created. It overlooked it's short-term risks for the more permanent interest of the wider, global Islamic World and Islamic peoples. Pakistan took the damage for sure...we brought devastation in some parts of our own land (FATA region) but the "gain" was way larger, way more global and permanent in nature. What we did and what followed was of historical value. Yeah, the 'benefits' weren't for Pakistanis only..but then again, Pakistan sees itself not as a secular, tribal state but a part of the wider, global civilization linked-together by Islam's civilizational principles and cultural underpinnings common to Islamic peoples worldwide.

So Pakistan, being an ideological state as our founding documents stated, played completely rational role which served our interests geopolitically as well as ideologically. Pakistan played an important role for something far bigger than itself. It's funny, Muslims of Pakistan have already played a greater role in the construction of history than Hindus ever have in their entire existence going back thousands of years :azn:. What have india achieved outside its territory in its entire existence? What have your "investments" given you? Zilch. Nothing! India, being irrelevant as it is, never even played any major role in history own its own, let alone having any fruits of indian efforts.

Now you have a bit of an idea what our geopolitical "investments" achieved for us, Muslim Pakistanis.

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