Chinese Navy (PLAN) News & Discussions

[hurt]

China is ahead or Russia in regards to Navy. Russians have better SSN/SSBN submarines such as Borei and Yasen-class. However, everything else, China is better. China has a good number of stealth destroyers, frigates and Corvettes/missile boats. In addition to all this, China has a lot more SSK submarines.

On paper, Russia has more SSN/SSBN submarines, but all of them are from 1970s and 1980s. Russian Kilo-class SSK submarines are not even upgraded, but standard. There is no Lada-class sub in the horizont yet.

I hope of course that Russia will be able to produce more stealth ships, since Russia and China are strategic friends and partners, but a lot of job is needed to fix this.

So in regards to the Navy, besides excellent subs such as Borei and Yasen-class, there is nothing else Russia has an edge in, in regards to the Navy.

We also have to take into the account, how many of those old ships would actually be combat ready. After 20 years of neglect, it's hard, so it's better to build new ships, so I hope Russia will be able to do so.

The same goes for Russian Air Force. China has a lot more 4+ gen fighters combat ready and upgraded compared to Russia. Once again, I hope Russia will be able to fix this, because it's in Chinese interest to also have strong Russian friend and partner.

如果靠水面舰艇就能成为世界强国，美国人苏联人造那么多核潜干什么？正视差距，努力追赶超越。以现在的军事实力，即便是常规战，辽宁号编队如何在对方核潜群面前存活？

用常规潜艇和核潜比战斗力，你这不是搞笑吗，中国至今未能追赶上苏联在80年代的造潜水平，升不升级有何关系？

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

如果靠水面舰艇就能成为世界强国，美国人苏联人造那么多核潜干什么？正视差距，努力追赶超越。以现在的军事实力，即便是常规战，辽宁号编队如何在对方核潜群面前存活？

China's SSN/SSBN may not have reached the top yet, but it is not as bad as you guys believe.

According to your logic, the CVNs and Aegis DDGs are utterly useless right? Then why the USN has bother to have 10 CVNs and 80+ Aegis DDGs in their possession?

Furthermore, Russia is not USSR, you are comparing apple to orange here.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

如今中国能造出俄罗斯同性能的常规和核潜艇吗？核潜艇数量能赶得上的，别有点成绩就不知道姓啥了

Lada is nowhere in the horizon, while Kilo is already outdated in China's eyes.

Yasen is very good, but Russia has the difficulty to mass produce/commission these subs.

China is slightly behind in nuclear subs, but Russia is lagging two decades behind in the surface vessels.

China will have the 100000+ tons CVN and 15000 tons Aegis DDG by 2025, while Russia is nowhere close of acquiring these ships in the next two decades.

PS, i refrain you to keep posting the non-English comments here if you don't want to get the infractions.

 

[hurt]

China's SSN/SSBN may not have reached the top yet, but it is not as bad as you guys believe.

According to your logic, the CVNs and Aegis DDGs are utterly useless right? Then why the USN has bother to have 10 CVNs and 80+ Aegis DDGs in their possession?

Furthermore, Russia is not USSR, you are comparing apple to orange here.

Do not forget USN have 70+ SSN/SSBN.
瘦死的骆驼比马大，你去看看俄罗斯如今有多少阿库拉和北风

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Do not forget USN have 70+ SSN/SSBN.
瘦死的骆驼比马大，你去看看俄罗斯如今有多少阿库拉和北风

Only one Borei class boat has been commissioned so far, while Akula was the legacy of USSR, Russia has yet to prove themselves to be the worthy successor of USSR by commissioning the Yasen class SSN.

The construction of Borei was started earlier than Type 094, you can say that the Type 094 is much less advanced compared to Borei.

But the Type 094 now has 3 active boats being confirmed by Pentagon, while it can launch the bigger heavier JL-2 SLBM compared to the Bulava SLBM.

And the construction of Type 096 has just been started now, China's next gen SSBN/SSN will feature the full electric propulsion, these boats aren't pushovers.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

拉达？这种小型潜艇永远不会成为俄罗斯的主力装备，这是用来出口的。
如果基洛落后，请问比基洛强的中国潜艇现在有多少？
中国核潜不是稍显落后，而是全面落后。无论是制造技术，性能，数量上。
至于水面舰艇，请问054A上的雷达和导弹有什么血统？052C上的导弹什么血统？052C到现在服役几艘？20年请问之前和俄罗斯有多少年的差距？
我觉得教训你们这种自大的同胞就不需要让外国人看笑话了吧

The Type 052C uses HQ-9, it is China's indigenous SAM, while HQ-15 is a copy of S-300.

HongQi-15 (HQ-15) | Missile ThreatMissile Threat

The only thing that the Type 052C has link with Russian is its Ukrainian DN80 gas turbines, but the newer Type 052C+ uses the indigenous QC-280 gas turbines.

You must have confused the Type 052C with the Type 051C, the Type 051C has a lot of Russian bloodline no doubt, but it is not China's favorite DDG either.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

在外国人面前装装犊子就行了,没有当年进口的S-300哪来的HQ-9.如果真是完全自主设计并且性能优良的话，何必再去拷贝什么HQ-15.

至于发动机，不要拿一个努力了几十年才追赶上人家80-90年代水平的东西当什么可以炫耀的东西，另外你见过有一艘现役的军舰用那东西吗。

所谓051C的俄罗斯技术不受欢迎，你不去看看你们所谓的强大的隐身护卫舰群，都顶个什么东西，射的什么弹

You must be one of the Russophiles from CD forum right?

Russia should first commission their 4000 tons frigate before talking about building their nuclear supercarrier, lmao.

It takes them 7 more years, yet still can't accomplish a Type 054A level frigate.

The Type 052C/D uses the advanced AESA radar which has nothing to do with Russia.

 

[Beast]

You must be one of the Russophile from CD forum right?

Russia should first commission their 4000 tons frigate before talking about building their nuclear supercarrier, lmao.

It takes them 7 more years, yet still can't accomplish a Type 054A level frigate.

The Type 052C/D uses the advanced AESA radar which has nothing to do with Russia.

Precisely,

Also, the VLS-HQ-16 despite using Russian SA-12 missile. The whole complete VLS system is completely indigenous. Something like HQ-9. The Russian Navy until now has not deploy VLS-Buk system.

If money is the problem. They could have install it for Indian Navy Talwar class since India has the financial power to buy these system. VLS prove far superior than the slanted launch SA-12 which cannot multi-engage and if the launcher jam, all missile will render useless.

 

[hurt]

You must be one of the Russophile from CD forum right?

Russia should first commission their 4000 tons frigate before talking about building their nuclear supercarrier, lmao.

It takes them 7 more years, yet still can't accomplish a Type 054A level frigate.

The Type 052C/D uses the advanced AESA radar which has nothing to do with Russia.

海军不是有一部先进雷达就能提高多少战斗力的，用了几十年时间我们还没有到达人家30年前的规模，我们发动机用人家的，弹用人家的，还没有完全形成自己的体系，这就开始妄自尊大，可笑啊。

看看Talwar-class frigate，再看看俄罗斯新舰的参数

 

[Beast]

海军不是有一部先进雷达就能提高多少战斗力的，用了几十年时间我们还没有到达人家30年前的规模，我们发动机用人家的，弹用人家的，还没有完全形成自己的体系，这就开始妄自尊大，可笑啊。

看看Talwar-class frigate，再看看俄罗斯新舰的参数

Are you serious? Talwar class frigate can't multi engage air threat. What nonsense are you talking about? If we go to Talwar class, we are a step backward. It does not have VLS SA-12 package.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

海军不是有一部先进雷达就能提高多少战斗力的，用了几十年时间我们还没有到达人家30年前的规模，我们发动机用人家的，弹用人家的，还没有完全形成自己的体系，这就开始妄自尊大，可笑啊。

看看Talwar-class frigate，再看看俄罗斯新舰的参数

The Russian navy is not the USN with 70+ advanced SSN/SSBN, they are not qualified to make fun at the PLAN's nuclear subs. Neither they possess the supreme SLBM like the Trident II.

Neither the PLAN is the USN with 10 CVNs and 80+ Aegis DDGs, so we are not qualified to make fun at the Russian surface vessels either.

But now you should go over with your Russian obsession fanboyism here.

 

[hurt]

Precisely,

Also, the VLS-HQ-16 despite using Russian SA-12 missile. The whole complete VLS system is completely indigenous. Something like HQ-9. The Russian Navy until now has not deploy VLS-Buk system.

If money is the problem. They could have install it for Indian Navy Talwar class since India has the financial power to buy these system. VLS prove far superior than the slanted launch SA-12 which cannot multi-engage and if the launcher jam, all missile will render useless.

笔这东西性能的强弱，请去和印度海军比，而不是和一个海军装备出口大国比，简直太可笑了

 

[Beast]

说Talwar class只是提醒你们俄罗斯的造舰能力并没有退步到你们妄想的程度，还有越南的基洛，俄罗斯的造船工业未曾没落到不堪的程度，一旦资金到位，会很快的增强实力，所以中国的超越还要努力一段时间。

请你们不要像印度人一样，弄几架破su-30mki就以为自己无敌了

Seriously, you shall be the one stop making silly comment if you do not know the topic well...

When did we become like Indian? Indian boast about things and distort facts when they are not even up there.

While we talk about real and facts about Chinese capabilities which is nothing wrong.

Russian even needs to buy Mistral class LHD and ask France to transfer the know how of Mistral ship building to them. Most of their advance ship building has passed down to Ukraine when Soviet Union break up. The Russian even has problem building a Missile frigate for its navy. I don't know what advancement they can for China when comes to building modern warship.

See how much Type054A pump out , Type 056 and 071 LDP we building within a short period of 5 years....

Rather you are acting too pessimistic

 

[hurt]

The Russian navy is not the USN with 70+ advanced SSN/SSBN, they are not qualified to make fun at the PLAN's nuclear subs. Neither they possess the supreme SLBM like the Trident II.

Neither the PLAN is the USN with 10 CVNs and 80+ Aegis DDGs, so we are not qualified to make fun at the Russian surface vessels either.

But now you should go over with your Russian obsession fanboyism here.

平时喷喷猴子菲佣，再在美国人面前争点面子也看不出来什么水平，原来你们的水平如此肤浅，和你们为伍真是不太光彩啊
百年海军建设非一朝一夕，10年前我们还在买人家的舰艇和潜艇，10年就想超越开什么玩笑

 

[Beast]

笔这东西性能的强弱，请去和印度海军比，而不是和一个海军装备出口大国比，简直太可笑了

If you realise, Russian Navy until now has not even a Talwar class equivalent modern frigate. And they are building it now but I believe it will take many years before it commissioned.

Russian Navy is not more the Soviet Union Navy. I do not know what's your obsess with Russian? You got a Russian wife in Japan?