Chinese Navy (PLAN) News & Discussions

[Beast]

US Navy has 62 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers and 22 Ticonderoga-class cruisers.
That's 84 incredibly powerful destroyers/cruisers in total.

China need many more Type 055 cruisers (128 VLS), not Type 052D (64 VLS). I would say China need 40+ Type 055 to get even within touching distance of the US Navy. Otherwise China will be forever behind the US Navy and be at the mercy of the US controlling the seas. Even with 40, that's still only HALF of the US Navy total. That's woefully inadequate.

China don't need to exactly match the US in numbers but China does need to get close enough in numbers.

In the next 10 or 20 years, you will see the current number of vessel USN now has is totally unsustainable. US is walking the same route Soviet Union experience. By bankrupting herself with too much military expenditure. I predict with Rising China economy, it will slowly erode whatever US economy used to enjoy. Even the US dollar are under threaten with more countries now trading not in US dollar, especially trade with China are settle in RMB.

China as a superpower with nuclear abilities to wipe out whole world will never face a conflict on her soil anymore. Her only possible war will be proxy war which major superpower will never face each other. What China need to fight will be small proxy conflict encourage by China enemies. It need just a fleet of projection on standby will be enough to deal with proxy war while large number of missiles to deter enemy trying to bring conventional conflict near China.

 

[Beidou2020]

In the next 10 or 20 years, you will see the current number of vessel USN now has is totally unsustainable. US is walking the same route Soviet Union experience. By bankrupting herself with too much military expenditure. I predict with Rising China economy, it will slowly erode whatever US economy used to enjoy. Even the US dollar are under threaten with more countries now trading not in US dollar, especially trade with China are settle in RMB.

China as a superpower with nuclear abilities to wipe out whole world will never face a conflict on her soil anymore. Her only possible war will be proxy war which major superpower will never face each other. What China need to fight will be small proxy conflict encourage by China enemies. It need just a fleet of projection on standby will be enough to deal with proxy war while large number of missiles to deter enemy trying to bring conventional conflict near China.

US can never bankrupt itself as long as the dollar is the world reserve currency.

 

[Beast]

US can never bankrupt itself as long as the dollar is the world reserve currency.

I do agree with what you say but it only applies now. The world is changing everyday. There is no such thing called "Forever". Same as applied to US dollar.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

US Navy has 62 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers and 22 Ticonderoga-class cruisers.
That's 84 incredibly powerful destroyers/cruisers in total.

China need many more Type 055 cruisers (128 VLS), not Type 052D (64 VLS). I would say China need 40+ Type 055 to get even within touching distance of the US Navy. Otherwise China will be forever behind the US Navy and be at the mercy of the US controlling the seas. Even with 40 for China, US still has DOUBLE the number. That's still a massive gap.

China don't need to exactly match the US in numbers but China does need to get close enough in numbers.

According to POP3, China is planning to achieve a sub fleet that consists over 50 advanced nuclear subs in a not very distant future.

And 50 large advanced DDGs like the Type 055 family is needed.

However, the Type 055 is more equivalent to the DDG-1000 and the Arleigh Burke Flight III/IV.

About half of the USN fleet still consists of those aging Arleigh Burke Flight I/II and Ticonderoga.

So 50+ Type 055 with 24 Type 052D can surpass the 84 Arleigh Burke + Ticonderoga.

 

[cnleio]

According to POP3, China is planning to achieve a sub fleet that consists over 50 advanced nuclear subs in a not very distant future.

And 50 large advanced DDGs like the Type 055 family is needed.

However, the Type 055 is more equivalent to the DDG-1000 and the Arleigh Burke Flight III/IV.

About half of the USN fleet still consists of those aging Arleigh Burke Flight I/II and Ticonderoga.

So 50+ Type 055 with 24 Type 052D can surpass the 84 Arleigh Burke + Ticonderoga.

Never 50+ Type055 and 50 advanced nuclear subs ... impossible, 20~30x is possible. We can't to build them 10x new each year ... 2~4x new building speed is possible just within future Ten years PLAN to own near 30x new DDGs and subs.

 

[cirr]

Looking good

 

[english_man]

Looking good

Have you got an English translation for those coloured blocks?

 

[Sanchez]

Blue are labelled as hangars (perhaps the same as Liaoning); green is possibly added hangar; red are the lifters.

 

[cnleio]

Have you got an English translation for those coloured blocks?

... Btw is there latest photos of Britain 'Elizabeth' A.C ? How about her sea trial ? Pls let us see, my friend.

 

[cirr]

The PLAN is rumoured to be opening three production lines for Type 055 DDG starting 2016.

CSIC DL、CSSC JN and CSSC Defence。

 

[Akasa]

The PLAN is rumoured to be opening three production lines for Type 055 DDG starting 2016.

CSIC DL、CSSC JN and CSSC Defence。

Isn't the first 055 already being built?

 

[Beast]

Isn't the first 055 already being built?

Yes, the steel cutting has long started. I expect module production of bridge, and other super structural has almost completed for the first ship in cover shipyard factories. Maybe keel laying and hull building may start soon. Take note of the date.

 

[cnleio]

Yes, the steel cutting has long started. I expect module production of bridge, and other super structural has almost completed for the first ship in cover shipyard factories. Maybe keel laying and hull building may start soon. Take note of the date.

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About 055 ... 2016.03 to see it, there will be another batch of China new DDGs mass production

 

[Sanchez]

Tweentisix years ago Soviet Union collapsed because of bankrupt of her national economy after armsrace with the US. Now in the eyes of many China is perhaps starting another armsrace with hostile nations around her, the poor and the rich. It'd be interesting to see who's gonna bankrupt this time...

 

[Beidou2020]

Tweentisix years ago Soviet Union collapsed because of bankrupt of her national economy after armsrace with the US. Now in the eyes of many China is perhaps starting another armsrace with hostile nations around her, the poor and the rich. It'd be interesting to see who's gonna bankrupt this time...

USSR didn't collapse because of the arms race. One of the biggest myths. Both the US and USSR were in an arms race. Not just the USSR.

USSR collapsed due to the inefficiency of a command-based economy where there is only a few large state-owned companies running the entire economy. Once those few SOEs got into trouble, there is no fall back plan. No vibrancy in the economy. Just an energy-based economy, just like Russia today.

If the USSR had a market-based economy with a vibrant private sector, they would still be in existence today still competing with the US.

Today, China is more like the US than the USSR.