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China now has the nuclear strength to hit back at a first strike, former PLA colonel says
Published: 12:00pm, 17 Nov, 2020
China’s JL-3 is estimated have a range of over 12,000km, putting the US well within reach from the Chinese coast. Photo: Handout
China has spent the last two decades building defences for its nuclear armoury on land and at sea, ensuring that the military can hit back at a nuclear attack and deter others from launching one, according a former Chinese senior colonel.
Wang Xiangsui, now a professor at Beihang University in Beijing, said these defences – which included a vast network of tunnels to transport and protect missiles – meant China’s security was guaranteed even in the worst scenario.
“Launching nuclear strikes on China has always been a military option for the US,” Wang told a closed-door meeting last month.
“But for this option they are facing increasing uncertainties due to our adjustment and changes in the past 20 years.”
He delivered the assessment at the four-day Moganshan forum to discuss domestic and international issues and China’s new five-year plan, but the transcript of his remarks was only made public on Wednesday (11/11).
Without specifying the source, Wang said some US assessments claimed that only one Chinese nuclear warhead would be able to survive a US first strike and reach American soil in a counter-attack.
He dismissed the claims as “clearly nonsense”.
He said China had taken a series of measures over the years to establish a credible “second-strike” capability to respond to a nuclear attack.
In addition to intercontinental ballistic missile tunnels, China had developed advanced missiles and expanded “bastion waters” in the South China and Yellow seas in which its ballistic missile submarines could operate safely.
“These have drawn a bottom line for China-US confrontation – that the confrontation is unlikely to become a massive invasion, which is an important basis [of calculation for both sides],” he said.
China has pledged “no first use” of nuclear weapons and is thought to have 200 or 300 nuclear warheads, a fraction of the 4,000 or so Russia and the US have each.
Its nuclear strategy depends on ensuring its nuclear forces can survive the first wave of an enemy strike.
State media reported in 2018 that the military had built an “underground Great Wall” of 5,000km (3,100 miles) of tunnels throughout the country to hide, move and launch its nuclear counterstrike forces. In the footage, ICBMs were shown being loaded on trucks and driven through the tunnels.
China also established a firm maritime nuclear capability in 2015 when its Type 094A ballistic missile nuclear submarines (SSBNs) were fitted with JL-2 missiles (SLBM) on patrols.
This added to the potential to hit back if land-based silos were taken out.
The PLA has one SSBN base in the South China Sea, where the waters are deeper and therefore safer for covert submarine operations; and two in the Yellow Sea, closer to the mainland United States for missiles sent over the north pole.
“[US spy planes] found our SSBNs in the South China Sea operating in trenches as deep as 3,000m and the artificial islands we built as an SLBM missile launch area,” said Wang, adding that the Yellow Sea was another bastion area.
The JL-2 has a range of 7,400km, and its successor, the JL-3, is estimated have a range of over 12,000km, putting the US well within reach from the Chinese coast.
The People’s Liberation Army has also developed its missile portfolio, creating the world’s first hypersonic glider missile the DF-17, which is fast enough to penetrate the US missile defence system, according to Wang.
He said that all these measures meant it was not possible for the US to launch a massive nuclear strike against China.
Also at the forum, Wang revealed for the first time that the PLA’s DF-26B and DF-21D “aircraft-carrier killer” missiles successfully hit a moving vessel in the South China Sea in a test in August, sending a warning to the US “not to take any military risks”.
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American hostility means China can’t come clean on its nuclear arsenal, Beijing official says
Published: 7:00pm, 16 Oct, 2020
The United States’ “hostile policies” mean China must retain some ambiguity regarding its nuclear arsenal, and expecting Beijing to engage in arms control talks under the current circumstances is “unreasonable and unrealistic”, according to a senior foreign ministry official.
Fu Cong, who heads the Chinese foreign ministry’s arms control department, says the US cannot expect China to be transparent in doctrine and numbers. Photo: AP
In an interview with Russian newspaper Kommersant – an English translation of which was published by Beijing on Thursday – Fu Cong, the head of the Chinese foreign ministry’s arms control department, defended China’s lack of transparency on the issue.
To ensure the effectiveness of its nuclear strategy, “it is important that China maintains a certain degree of ambiguity in terms of its numbers”, he said.
“Especially given the fact that the US, which regards China as its biggest competitor, is adopting such hostile policies towards China and maintains such a huge nuclear arsenal, of 6,000 [warheads].”
The US Department of Defence said in its annual report to Congress on China’s military power last month that the Asian giant’s nuclear arsenal was set to at least double over the next decade.
Fu said China’s nuclear capacity building was a necessary “deterrent” amid America’s expansion of its nuclear arsenal and plans to deploy land-based intermediate-range missiles in territories neighbouring China.
“Under all these circumstances, you can’t expect China to be both transparent in doctrine and transparent in numbers,” he said.
Nuclear disarmament could become a new front in the deepening rift between China and the US, after Beijing refused to join talks with Washington and Moscow in June to extend the 2010 New Start accord, which is set to expire in February.
The US has pushed for China to be brought into any future deal, saying its nuclear and missile capabilities pose a growing threat to the US and its allies.
Fu, however, rejected the idea of China joining such talks, calling them “unfair, unreasonable and unrealistic” on the grounds that the US and Russia were much larger nuclear powers.
“China has on numerous occasions reiterated its position [on the three-way talks] that given the huge disparity between the Chinese nuclear arsenal and that of the US and the Russian Federation, we do not believe there is any fair and equitable basis for China to join,” he said.
“[But] if the US commits to reducing its nuclear arsenal to a level comparable to the Chinese nuclear arsenal, we’ll be happy to join.”
According to the [U.S.] defence department’s report last month, the US has about 6,000 nuclear weapons, including retired warheads, while China’s total is in the low 200s.
China does not publish figures on how many nuclear warheads it has, but according to a report by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute it was one of six countries – along with India, Britain, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea – that increased their arsenals in 2020.
Fu said in the Kommersant interview that in nuclear arsenal terms, China should be classified together with France and Britain.
Despite six nations increasing their nuclear capacity, global inventories have been falling, mostly as a result of the US and Russia dismantling retired stocks, according to the Stockholm report.
America had 1,750 deployed warheads – placed on missiles or located on bases with operational forces – and 4,050 in reserve or retired, while the equivalent figures for Russia were 1,570 and 4,805, the report said.
- The military has built an ‘underground Great Wall’ of tunnels to hide and move its arsenal of ballistic missiles, Wang Xiangsui tells Moganshan forum
- The defences add up to a credible ability to mount a second strike, resulting in a deterrent effect, he says
Published: 12:00pm, 17 Nov, 2020
China’s JL-3 is estimated have a range of over 12,000km, putting the US well within reach from the Chinese coast. Photo: Handout
China has spent the last two decades building defences for its nuclear armoury on land and at sea, ensuring that the military can hit back at a nuclear attack and deter others from launching one, according a former Chinese senior colonel.
Wang Xiangsui, now a professor at Beihang University in Beijing, said these defences – which included a vast network of tunnels to transport and protect missiles – meant China’s security was guaranteed even in the worst scenario.
“Launching nuclear strikes on China has always been a military option for the US,” Wang told a closed-door meeting last month.
“But for this option they are facing increasing uncertainties due to our adjustment and changes in the past 20 years.”
He delivered the assessment at the four-day Moganshan forum to discuss domestic and international issues and China’s new five-year plan, but the transcript of his remarks was only made public on Wednesday (11/11).
Without specifying the source, Wang said some US assessments claimed that only one Chinese nuclear warhead would be able to survive a US first strike and reach American soil in a counter-attack.
He dismissed the claims as “clearly nonsense”.
He said China had taken a series of measures over the years to establish a credible “second-strike” capability to respond to a nuclear attack.
In addition to intercontinental ballistic missile tunnels, China had developed advanced missiles and expanded “bastion waters” in the South China and Yellow seas in which its ballistic missile submarines could operate safely.
“These have drawn a bottom line for China-US confrontation – that the confrontation is unlikely to become a massive invasion, which is an important basis [of calculation for both sides],” he said.
China has pledged “no first use” of nuclear weapons and is thought to have 200 or 300 nuclear warheads, a fraction of the 4,000 or so Russia and the US have each.
Its nuclear strategy depends on ensuring its nuclear forces can survive the first wave of an enemy strike.
State media reported in 2018 that the military had built an “underground Great Wall” of 5,000km (3,100 miles) of tunnels throughout the country to hide, move and launch its nuclear counterstrike forces. In the footage, ICBMs were shown being loaded on trucks and driven through the tunnels.
China also established a firm maritime nuclear capability in 2015 when its Type 094A ballistic missile nuclear submarines (SSBNs) were fitted with JL-2 missiles (SLBM) on patrols.
This added to the potential to hit back if land-based silos were taken out.
The PLA has one SSBN base in the South China Sea, where the waters are deeper and therefore safer for covert submarine operations; and two in the Yellow Sea, closer to the mainland United States for missiles sent over the north pole.
“[US spy planes] found our SSBNs in the South China Sea operating in trenches as deep as 3,000m and the artificial islands we built as an SLBM missile launch area,” said Wang, adding that the Yellow Sea was another bastion area.
The JL-2 has a range of 7,400km, and its successor, the JL-3, is estimated have a range of over 12,000km, putting the US well within reach from the Chinese coast.
The People’s Liberation Army has also developed its missile portfolio, creating the world’s first hypersonic glider missile the DF-17, which is fast enough to penetrate the US missile defence system, according to Wang.
He said that all these measures meant it was not possible for the US to launch a massive nuclear strike against China.
Also at the forum, Wang revealed for the first time that the PLA’s DF-26B and DF-21D “aircraft-carrier killer” missiles successfully hit a moving vessel in the South China Sea in a test in August, sending a warning to the US “not to take any military risks”.
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American hostility means China can’t come clean on its nuclear arsenal, Beijing official says
- To ensure the effectiveness of its nuclear strategy, ‘China maintains a certain degree of ambiguity’ regarding numbers of warheads, head of the foreign ministry arms control department says
- Beijing will only join Washington and Moscow in arms limitation talks if ‘US commits to reducing its nuclear arsenal to a level’ similar to China’s, he says
Published: 7:00pm, 16 Oct, 2020
The United States’ “hostile policies” mean China must retain some ambiguity regarding its nuclear arsenal, and expecting Beijing to engage in arms control talks under the current circumstances is “unreasonable and unrealistic”, according to a senior foreign ministry official.
Fu Cong, who heads the Chinese foreign ministry’s arms control department, says the US cannot expect China to be transparent in doctrine and numbers. Photo: AP
In an interview with Russian newspaper Kommersant – an English translation of which was published by Beijing on Thursday – Fu Cong, the head of the Chinese foreign ministry’s arms control department, defended China’s lack of transparency on the issue.
To ensure the effectiveness of its nuclear strategy, “it is important that China maintains a certain degree of ambiguity in terms of its numbers”, he said.
“Especially given the fact that the US, which regards China as its biggest competitor, is adopting such hostile policies towards China and maintains such a huge nuclear arsenal, of 6,000 [warheads].”
The US Department of Defence said in its annual report to Congress on China’s military power last month that the Asian giant’s nuclear arsenal was set to at least double over the next decade.
Fu said China’s nuclear capacity building was a necessary “deterrent” amid America’s expansion of its nuclear arsenal and plans to deploy land-based intermediate-range missiles in territories neighbouring China.
“Under all these circumstances, you can’t expect China to be both transparent in doctrine and transparent in numbers,” he said.
Nuclear disarmament could become a new front in the deepening rift between China and the US, after Beijing refused to join talks with Washington and Moscow in June to extend the 2010 New Start accord, which is set to expire in February.
The US has pushed for China to be brought into any future deal, saying its nuclear and missile capabilities pose a growing threat to the US and its allies.
Fu, however, rejected the idea of China joining such talks, calling them “unfair, unreasonable and unrealistic” on the grounds that the US and Russia were much larger nuclear powers.
“China has on numerous occasions reiterated its position [on the three-way talks] that given the huge disparity between the Chinese nuclear arsenal and that of the US and the Russian Federation, we do not believe there is any fair and equitable basis for China to join,” he said.
“[But] if the US commits to reducing its nuclear arsenal to a level comparable to the Chinese nuclear arsenal, we’ll be happy to join.”
According to the [U.S.] defence department’s report last month, the US has about 6,000 nuclear weapons, including retired warheads, while China’s total is in the low 200s.
China does not publish figures on how many nuclear warheads it has, but according to a report by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute it was one of six countries – along with India, Britain, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea – that increased their arsenals in 2020.
Fu said in the Kommersant interview that in nuclear arsenal terms, China should be classified together with France and Britain.
Despite six nations increasing their nuclear capacity, global inventories have been falling, mostly as a result of the US and Russia dismantling retired stocks, according to the Stockholm report.
America had 1,750 deployed warheads – placed on missiles or located on bases with operational forces – and 4,050 in reserve or retired, while the equivalent figures for Russia were 1,570 and 4,805, the report said.
It's a GOOD READ. It answers many questions that members of PDF may wonder about China's Nuke standing! Before reading this piece I have many questions, after reading it most become clear
On October 15, 2020, Mr. FU Cong, Director-General of Department of Arms Control, took an interview with Ms. Elena Chernenko, Special Correspondent at the Russian Daily Newspaper Kommersant. During the interview, Director-General FU enunciated China's position on a number of issues related to global strategic stability and nuclear disarmament. The transcript is as follows:
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After years in the doldrums, research on hypersonic flight—at Mach 5 and up—has suddenly taken off. The reason: politics
2:05 AM · Nov 18, 2020
After years in the doldrums, research on hypersonic flight—at Mach 5 and up—has suddenly taken off. The reason: politics
Russia, China, the U.S.: Who Will Win the Hypersonic Arms Race?
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2:05 AM · Nov 18, 2020
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US conducts ICBM interception test; ‘tech won’t work against advanced missiles’ (2020-11-19)
The US recently conducted an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) interception test with a missile launched from a warship. US media said on Wednesday the move could harm the mutual deterrence between major nuclear powers and force China and Russia to expand their capabilities.
Chinese military analysts said on Thursday that the test was only done in an optimal scenario and may find it difficult when facing a real missile, not to mention that China and Russia are already developing and commissioning more advanced missiles, including hypersonic ones, which are much harder to intercept.
The test used only a mock missile, and was done under an optimal scenario in which the defending side knows where and when the missile would come from, so it is very questionable to what extent the test could represent a real-battle scenario where the missile could be launched from unpredictable locations and at an unknown time, given both China and Russia operate road-mobile ICBMs and submarine-launched ballistic missiles, a military expert who asked for anonymity told the Global Times on Thursday.
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The US recently conducted an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) interception test with a missile launched from a warship. US media said on Wednesday the move could harm the mutual deterrence between major nuclear powers and force China and Russia to expand their capabilities.
Chinese military analysts said on Thursday that the test was only done in an optimal scenario and may find it difficult when facing a real missile, not to mention that China and Russia are already developing and commissioning more advanced missiles, including hypersonic ones, which are much harder to intercept.
The test used only a mock missile, and was done under an optimal scenario in which the defending side knows where and when the missile would come from, so it is very questionable to what extent the test could represent a real-battle scenario where the missile could be launched from unpredictable locations and at an unknown time, given both China and Russia operate road-mobile ICBMs and submarine-launched ballistic missiles, a military expert who asked for anonymity told the Global Times on Thursday.
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From Henri Kenhmann at East Pendulum on 2020.11.23:
Dropped from a balloon for their first free fall flight on 21 SEPTEMBER 2018, the three IMECH prototypes are finally revealed tonight on CCTV-7.
The D18-1S, 2S and 3S allow IMECH engineers to study the new aerodynamic configurations in the hypersonic regime.
Note: IMECH = Institute of Mechanics, Chinese Academy of Sciences (also abbreviated as IMCAS) is the first national institution for mechanics research in China. It is a comprehensive and multidisciplinary national mechanics research center organized on the conception of engineering science by Professor Qian Xuesen (Hsue-Shen Tsien).
I think I already saw the pics here at PDF, most likely uploaded by @LKJ86 but cannot locate where they are
Yes, I see it again in other thread, posted as GIF, here:
Dropped from a balloon for their first free fall flight on 21 SEPTEMBER 2018, the three IMECH prototypes are finally revealed tonight on CCTV-7.
The D18-1S, 2S and 3S allow IMECH engineers to study the new aerodynamic configurations in the hypersonic regime.
Note: IMECH = Institute of Mechanics, Chinese Academy of Sciences (also abbreviated as IMCAS) is the first national institution for mechanics research in China. It is a comprehensive and multidisciplinary national mechanics research center organized on the conception of engineering science by Professor Qian Xuesen (Hsue-Shen Tsien).
I think I already saw the pics here at PDF, most likely uploaded by @LKJ86 but cannot locate where they are
Yes, I see it again in other thread, posted as GIF, here:
China Space Military：Recon, Satcom, Navi, ASAT/BMD, Orbital Vehicle, SLV, etc.
Chinese private rocket complete the third phase engine thermo ground test 2019-12-05 14:02:16 Editor : Li Yan Chinese private rocket company Galactic Energy has successfully finished the third stage thermo ground test for its Ceres-1 launch vehicle on Tuesday, according to a company statement...
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Covid Is Increasing America’s Lead Over China
As the post-pandemic world order takes shape, it’s clear that the U.S. still has huge advantages.
By Tyler Cowen | Bloomberg (2020-11-17)
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The broader question of allies is central for understanding the relative balance of power moving forward. China is likely to overtake the U.S. in terms of GDP, yet China has performed poorly in cultivating and developing reliable allies. The infrastructure emphasis of the “One Belt, One Road” plan no longer seems like such a great investment, with so many nations strapped for cash and the drop in travel and commuting. The notion of East Africa as a China’s sphere of influence now seems like a distant dream. In Pakistan Baloch separatists have attacked Chinese projects, due to fears of resource theft and encroaching influence.
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Is this a kind of veiled threat or warning to China... in regard to some possible military conflict or even nuke exchanges (when the US has so many more nuke heads than China's stock)? That the US is capable to absorb some casualties in seeking out domination and victory?
we already much superior to US in terms of overall military projection capability in East Asia; not only by missiles but also by ships, aircrafts, or logistics; and when it comes to matters of speed and quantity in East Asia, we easily overwhelm US; seemingly, many prideful americans and US media don't want to admit the fact but it very importantly true; actually it must be because US is NOT in Asia!!
I suggest samsara to leave such propaganda from US media; US often done so against soviet union during cold war; it always does when it really fears; I believe it won't stop such propaganda in the last moment until it finally leaves Asia
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