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China’s ‘aircraft-carrier killer’ missiles successfully hit target ship in South China Sea, PLA insider reveals

• DF-26B and DF-21D missiles launched in August struck moving vessel close to Paracel Islands, former senior colonel Wang Xiangsui says
• ‘This is a warning to the US, asking it not to take any military risk,’ he says

Kristin Huang
Published: 7:00am, 14 Nov, 2020

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China’s ‘aircraft-carrier killer’ missiles hit target ship, insider reveals

DF-26B and DF-21D missiles launched in August struck moving vessel close to Paracel Islands, former senior colonel Wang Xiangsui says.

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Opinion | China’s military expansion will test the Biden administration - The Washington Post

Davidson confirmed, for the first time from the U.S. government side, that China’s People’s Liberation Army has successfully tested an anti-ship ballistic missile against a moving ship. This was done as part of the PLA’s massive joint military exercises, which have been ongoing since the summer. These are often called “aircraft carrier killer” missiles, because they could threaten the United States’ most significant naval assets from long distances.

 

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Covid Is Increasing America’s Lead Over China

As the post-pandemic world order takes shape, it’s clear that the U.S. still has huge advantages.

By Tyler Cowen | Bloomberg (2020-11-17)

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The broader question of allies is central for understanding the relative balance of power moving forward. China is likely to overtake the U.S. in terms of GDP, yet China has performed poorly in cultivating and developing reliable allies. The infrastructure emphasis of the “One Belt, One Road” plan no longer seems like such a great investment, with so many nations strapped for cash and the drop in travel and commuting. The notion of East Africa as a China’s sphere of influence now seems like a distant dream. In Pakistan Baloch separatists have attacked Chinese projects, due to fears of resource theft and encroaching influence.
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There is one other factor that people are loathe to discuss (with one exception). Yes, the U.S. has botched its response to Covid-19. At the same time, its experience shows that America as a nation can in fact tolerate casualties, too many in fact. It had long been standard Chinese doctrine that Americans are “soft” and unwilling to take on much risk. If you were a Chinese war game planner, might you now reconsider that assumption?

Covid Is Increasing America’s Lead Over China

As the post-pandemic world order takes shape, it’s clear that the U.S. still has huge advantages.

www.bloomberg.com

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Is this a kind of veiled threat or warning to China... in regard to some possible military conflict or even nuke exchanges (when the US has so many more nuke heads than China's stock)? That the US is capable to absorb some casualties in seeking out domination and victory?

From Sardaukar20 /SDF -- with my little adaptations and corrections:

A bankrupt hegemon will do very well when its No. 1 economic adversary is dead and gone. The next economic competitors: Japan, Germany, UK, India, France, etc. are either vassals or friends. Russia poses no economic challenge to the US. Especially not with China is gone. A bankrupt USA will continue to be the No. 1 in a bankrupt world with no China around! Crazy you say? I don't think Steve Bannon, Tom Cotton, or Donald Trump would think so. The US could put 1000 warheads on China, think about those Ohio-class SSBN, and still have plenty to spare for Russia.

I strongly disagree that nukes serve no purpose for China. If China focuses mainly on economic development and ignores the pressing defence matters, this will be the same mistake, or even worse, that the Qing dynasty made right before the Century of Humiliation. "All is fine in China, let the barbarians play with their superior toys." That was until these barbarians started to use these toys on China. With these toys, they could dictate economic terms with China, pushed Opium into China, and took territories from China. In the context of the 21st century, the USA could wipe China off the map for the price of several millions or even many tens of millions of dead Americans and a bankrupt economy. Economies can revive, the dead won't. Now that's an absolute power!!!

Therefore, nukes do matter for China. If China's second or retaliatory nuke strike have the capability to also wipe the CONUS and its allies from the map like what Russia can do, then that deterrent capability would help to eliminate any American wet dream of ever winning a nuke fight with China. Today, we have an increasingly irrational crowd of USA and its allies. So nukes are the best guarantor of peace and continued prosperity for China. If the US and its allies are becoming too insane and would nuke China anyway, then China shall have its ultimate revenge. To deny them an ultimate victory over China. To ensure the MAD -- Mutually-Assured Destructions!

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I think China need several thousand of strategic nuke warheads with adequate delivery means that can reach CONUS and its warring allies... a quantity that will survive any sudden & massive First Nuke Strike, thus China is still capable to launch decisive retaliatory nuke attacks that keep the MAD scenario to its real meaning in the worst scenario! Having a decisively credible fleet of SSBN with reach to CONUS and its warring allies will increase the level of confidence and deterrence. Just take the US Ohio-class SSBN for some benchmarking.

Needless to say that the urgency of safeguarding nation's safety from the existential threats by any hostile force is surpassing any other consideration and should have the paramount importance. No amount of wealth and advancement will matter if one's facing dire threats to be annihilated!!!

I really hope that China's strategist planner never underestimate the level of insanity that the some elements in power in the US may pursue to maintain its domination when that nation is unable to compete normally!!! A declining empire trying to hold fast its dominance by any means is extremely dangerous to the world and moreover to its peer rival!

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"Whatever happens, the rules are far simpler than you imagine: Any attempt to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency will lead to war. We run the world. Our dollar is legal tender -- EVERYWHERE. Anyone else who wants out of that game will be on the other end of our military might. This is high stakes poker. We're the house and we get to decide what cards are dealt in what order and everyone else has to play along or else."

 

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Opinion | China’s military expansion will test the Biden administration - The Washington Post

China’s military expansion will test the Biden administration

Opinion by Josh Rogin | Columnist | The Washington Post
Dec. 3, 2020 at 5:50 p.m. EST

The tectonic plates of the military balance in Asia are shifting underneath our feet. It’s happening slowly and inexorably, but over time the magnitude of the change is becoming vividly apparent. As the United States prepares to change its leadership, China’s military advancement and expansion are now a problem too glaring to ignore.

Adm. Philip Davidson, Commander of the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command

Adm. Philip Davidson, who is nearing the end of his tour as the head of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, has been warning about the changing military balance in Asia throughout his tenure. But his warnings have often fallen on deaf ears in a Washington mired in partisanship and dysfunction. The Trump administration talked a big game about meeting the challenge of China’s military encroachment, but Davidson’s calls for substantially more investment to restore the regional balance that has deterred Beijing for decades have gone largely unanswered.

China’s military has moved well past a strategy of simply defending its territory and is now modernizing with the objective of being able to operate and even fight far from its shores, Davidson told me in an interview conducted last month for the 2020 Halifax International Security Forum. Under President Xi Jinping, Davidson said, China has built advanced weapons systems, platforms and rocket forces that have altered the strategic environment in ways the United States has not sufficiently responded to.

“We are seeing great advances in their modernization efforts,” he said. “China will test more missiles, conventional and nuclear associated missiles this year than every other nation added together on the planet. So that gives you an idea of the scale of how these things are changing.”

Davidson confirmed, for the first time from the U.S. government side, that China’s People’s Liberation Army has successfully tested an anti-ship ballistic missile against a moving ship. This was done as part of the PLA’s massive joint military exercises, which have been ongoing since the summer. These are often called “aircraft carrier killer” missiles, because they could threaten the United States’ most significant naval assets from long distances.

“It’s an indication that they continue to advance their capability. We’ve known for years they’ve been in pursuit of a capability that could attack moving targets,” Davidson said. I asked him whether they are designed to target U.S. aircraft carriers. “Trust me, they are targeting everything,” he replied.

Chinese missile and rocket forces now represent “a great asymmetry” in the region, Davidson said, that presents a threat along the first island chain, which stretches from the Koreas down through Japan to Southeast Asia and Taiwan. He has advocated integrated air and missile defense in the region and on Guam, which is strategic but vulnerable.

Davidson’s watch has almost ended. The Wall Street Journal reported this week that President Trump plans to nominate Pacific Fleet commander Adm. John Aquilino to succeed him. But before that change will likely take place, a new president will take office in Washington, one who is promising to review the U.S. strategic approach to Asia early on. What Joe Biden’s officials will find is that the PLA of 2021 is quite different from the PLA they last dealt with in 2016.

“Recent advances in equipment, organization, and logistics have significantly improved the PLA’s ability to project power and deploy expeditionary forces far from China’s shores,” the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission wrote in its latest annual report, released this week. “A concurrent evolution in military strategy requires the force to become capable of operating anywhere around the globe and of contesting the U.S. military if called upon to do so.”
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China’s military expansion will test the Biden administration

Opinion by Josh Rogin | Columnist | The Washington Post
Dec. 3, 2020 at 5:50 p.m. EST

The tectonic plates of the military balance in Asia are shifting underneath our feet. It’s happening slowly and inexorably, but over time the magnitude of the change is becoming vividly apparent. As the United States prepares to change its leadership, China’s military advancement and expansion are now a problem too glaring to ignore.

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Adm. Philip Davidson, Commander of the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command

Adm. Philip Davidson, who is nearing the end of his tour as the head of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, has been warning about the changing military balance in Asia throughout his tenure. But his warnings have often fallen on deaf ears in a Washington mired in partisanship and dysfunction. The Trump administration talked a big game about meeting the challenge of China’s military encroachment, but Davidson’s calls for substantially more investment to restore the regional balance that has deterred Beijing for decades have gone largely unanswered.

China’s military has moved well past a strategy of simply defending its territory and is now modernizing with the objective of being able to operate and even fight far from its shores, Davidson told me in an interview conducted last month for the 2020 Halifax International Security Forum. Under President Xi Jinping, Davidson said, China has built advanced weapons systems, platforms and rocket forces that have altered the strategic environment in ways the United States has not sufficiently responded to.

“We are seeing great advances in their modernization efforts,” he said. “China will test more missiles, conventional and nuclear associated missiles this year than every other nation added together on the planet. So that gives you an idea of the scale of how these things are changing.”

Davidson confirmed, for the first time from the U.S. government side, that China’s People’s Liberation Army has successfully tested an anti-ship ballistic missile against a moving ship. This was done as part of the PLA’s massive joint military exercises, which have been ongoing since the summer. These are often called “aircraft carrier killer” missiles, because they could threaten the United States’ most significant naval assets from long distances.

“It’s an indication that they continue to advance their capability. We’ve known for years they’ve been in pursuit of a capability that could attack moving targets,” Davidson said. I asked him whether they are designed to target U.S. aircraft carriers. “Trust me, they are targeting everything,” he replied.

Chinese missile and rocket forces now represent “a great asymmetry” in the region, Davidson said, that presents a threat along the first island chain, which stretches from the Koreas down through Japan to Southeast Asia and Taiwan. He has advocated integrated air and missile defense in the region and on Guam, which is strategic but vulnerable.

Davidson’s watch has almost ended. The Wall Street Journal reported this week that President Trump plans to nominate Pacific Fleet commander Adm. John Aquilino to succeed him. But before that change will likely take place, a new president will take office in Washington, one who is promising to review the U.S. strategic approach to Asia early on. What Joe Biden’s officials will find is that the PLA of 2021 is quite different from the PLA they last dealt with in 2016.

“Recent advances in equipment, organization, and logistics have significantly improved the PLA’s ability to project power and deploy expeditionary forces far from China’s shores,” the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission wrote in its latest annual report, released this week. “A concurrent evolution in military strategy requires the force to become capable of operating anywhere around the globe and of contesting the U.S. military if called upon to do so.”
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From Sardaukar20 /SDF -- with my little adaptations and corrections:

A bankrupt hegemon will do very well when its No. 1 economic adversary is dead and gone. The next economic competitors: Japan, Germany, UK, India, France, etc. are either vassals or friends. Russia poses no economic challenge to the US. Especially not with China is gone. A bankrupt USA will continue to be the No. 1 in a bankrupt world with no China around! Crazy you say? I don't think Steve Bannon, Tom Cotton, or Donald Trump would think so. The US could put 1000 warheads on China, think about those Ohio-class SSBN, and still have plenty to spare for Russia.

I strongly disagree that nukes serve no purpose for China. If China focuses mainly on economic development and ignores the pressing defence matters, this will be the same mistake, or even worse, that the Qing dynasty made right before the Century of Humiliation. "All is fine in China, let the barbarians play with their superior toys." That was until these barbarians started to use these toys on China. With these toys, they could dictate economic terms with China, pushed Opium into China, and took territories from China. In the context of the 21st century, the USA could wipe China off the map for the price of several millions or even many tens of millions of dead Americans and a bankrupt economy. Economies can revive, the dead won't. Now that's an absolute power!!!

Therefore, nukes do matter for China. If China's second or retaliatory nuke strike have the capability to also wipe the CONUS and its allies from the map like what Russia can do, then that deterrent capability would help to eliminate any American wet dream of ever winning a nuke fight with China. Today, we have an increasingly irrational crowd of USA and its allies. So nukes are the best guarantor of peace and continued prosperity for China. If the US and its allies are becoming too insane and would nuke China anyway, then China shall have its ultimate revenge. To deny them an ultimate victory over China. To ensure the MAD -- Mutually-Assured Destructions!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think China need several thousand of strategic nuke warheads with adequate delivery means that can reach CONUS and its warring allies... a quantity that will survive any sudden & massive First Nuke Strike, thus China is still capable to launch decisive retaliatory nuke attacks that keep the MAD scenario to its real meaning in the worst scenario! Having a decisively credible fleet of SSBN with reach to CONUS and its warring allies will increase the level of confidence and deterrence. Just take the US Ohio-class SSBN for some benchmarking.

Needless to say that the urgency of safeguarding nation's safety from the existential threats by any hostile force is surpassing any other consideration and should have the paramount importance. No amount of wealth and advancement will matter if one's facing dire threats to be annihilated!!!

I really hope that China's strategist planner never underestimate the level of insanity that the some elements in power in the US may pursue to maintain its domination when that nation is unable to compete normally!!! A declining empire trying to hold fast its dominance by any means is extremely dangerous to the world and moreover to its peer rival!

~~~~~~~~~~

"Whatever happens, the rules are far simpler than you imagine: Any attempt to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency will lead to war. We run the world. Our dollar is legal tender -- EVERYWHERE. Anyone else who wants out of that game will be on the other end of our military might. This is high stakes poker. We're the house and we get to decide what cards are dealt in what order and everyone else has to play along or else."

From vincent /SDF:

Donald Trump: The Wizard of Wuz

Trump may have made Americans feel better about themselves but he missed an opportunity to improve America

by Spengler | December 7, 2020 | ASIA TIMES
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Trump was the best that America could come up with at the moment. In reality, America imports its Wizard, including real wizards like the Hungarian-Jewish scientists who built the atom bomb (and who in the person of Edward Teller persuaded Ronald Reagan to pursue the Strategic Defense Initiative / SDI in 1980s). It also imports fake wizards, for example, Henry Kissinger, whom I qualified in a recent essay as “Klemens von Metternich – as played by Groucho Marx.”

The sad fact is that the US economy is 70% consumption, against an OECD average of 60%. We don’t invest in future productivity; we borrow and we consume. That is America’s problem, and Trump did nothing to correct it. Someone needs to tell Americans that there’s a difference between winning and feeling good while we’re losing. If America wants to remain the world’s preeminent power, it needs to teach high school students Calculus in 10th grade and subsidize engineering majors instead of resentment studies. It needs a tax system that encourages US tech companies to make hardware as well as software. And it needs a lot of qualified immigrants from China and India to build new industries while we wait for the long-term impact of education reforms.

Why won’t any politician stand up and say this? Probably because no-one will believe it’s possible. A POLITICAL SCIENTIST of my acquaintance, CLIFFORD ANGELL BATES, posted this comment on my recent report of Chinese breakthroughs in 5G broadband: “I think we need to take John von Neumann’s recommendation that he gave regarding what should be done to [the] Soviets,” that is, a preemptive nuclear attack.
Why not just improve America and compete with China? I posted back.

PROF. BATES REPLIED: “Sorry… given the declining IQ of the American population due to dysgenetic behavior of large parts of the American population and the failure of our schools to educate the young to produce the necessary skillset to pull it off, any thought of trying to repeat what Reagan was able to do is very, very unlikely. The odds of being able to reform our education system are as unlikely [as] someone winning [the lottery] Powerball – heck no, winning 10 Powerballs. Why so low? Because of the political interests that make the public education system the clusterfuck it is. Also, China unlike the Soviet Union is wholly integrated into the global economic system and is working at the same level as we are. No, we **** up in 1988-89 when [we] did not clamp down and cutting them off… Now we have the devil to pay… I prefer not to be ruled by them… so I think what Neumann recommends needs to be taken seriously if one wishes not to face the dismal future of slavery under a Chinese hegemonic despotism.”

Prof. Bates was letting off steam, to be sure; given the opportunity to press the button and start a nuclear war with China, I suspect he would demur. But his bad mood is indicative: This is an America that eagerly believed the happy stories that Donald Trump told about it but doesn’t really believe in itself. It will alternate between rage and despondency for the foreseeable future.

Read the full article at:

Donald Trump: The Wizard of Wuz

“I think you are a very bad man,” said Dorothy. “Oh, no, my dear; I’m really a very good man, but I’m a very bad Wizard, I must admit.” Most phenomena in American politics are clarified…

asiatimes.com

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Why some Americans (a professor, mind you... and Prof. Bates ain't the first, and definitely not the lone voice articulating the very sinister things like this thermonuclear genocide either) always assume that a world that America doesn't dominate and screw up would be a world where the Chinese are stepping in and doing the same. Nobody wants to rule the America, nobody wants to rule the world, just mind one's own business, and stop interfering into other people's affairs, just get the prosperity... and stop telling, preaching other people what to do, how to live...

No wonder the feel threatened side gonna increase much its strategic nuke warhead stockpiles and delivery means to ensure the effective MAD doctrine in some quiet crash program(s) as some indicative signs have already signaled...

 

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