Chinese Missiles News & Discussions

[ozranger]

Chinese state media has boasted of the success of its new type of hypersonic missile, designated the DF-17

I haven't seen any evidence which shows that China has officially claimed a new missile model called DF-17. DF-17 is completely a made-up designation created by the U.S. government and media.

 

[cirr]

主持制定了我国首型中远程超声速反舰导弹总体方案，提出的大空域、高机动飞行控制与冲压发动机推力调节的一体化控制方案，解决了超声速飞行条件下变轨机动与稳定飞行的强耦合难题。在国际上首次使该类导弹射程从百余公里提高近4 倍，导弹法向机动过载达到巡航导弹中最高水平，能够在航母编队防御圈外发射、有效突破“宙斯盾”系统。导弹总体性能国际领先，成为海军、空军反制航母的杀手锏武器装备。（500km range YJ-12)

2002 年至2015 年，作为型号总师，主持新型通用中远程导弹技术攻关和型号研制。按照“打牢基础、分步实施”的原则，先用4 年时间，通过XX-XX 飞行演示验证，首次实现弹道导弹“数字化”、一车一弹全方位无依托任意点热发射，具备“竖起来就打”的能力。再用4 年时间，通过XX-XT 飞行演示验证，解决了核常兼备、陆基机动远程攻击、空气舵弹头再入强机动飞行、末制导米级精度打击等难题。上述两个型号的研制，直接支撑了XX-XX 的国家立项。2010 年，任XX-XXA 总师，带领团队研制成功我国首型中远程固体机动核导弹，实现了我国弹道导弹精确打击能力和实战化水平的重大跨越，成为突破第二岛链的杀手锏，在9.3 阅兵中被誉为“我军战略威慑力体系中的新型武器”。(DF-26A etc)

2015 年至今，任某国防重大工程飞行器系统总师，主持特种飞行器技术研究，多次完成“螺旋式”高超声速机动飞行试验，取得“垂直发射/直接入轨”临近空间多级固体助推技术等具有国际领先水平的技术成果，系统认知了临近空间“新环境”，引起国际社会极大关注，形成与美、俄比肩发展的态势。(Next generation strategic weapons/hypersonic vehicles)

她参加工作30年来一直工作在地地战术弹道导弹科研第一线，她先后担任我国三代、7个地地战术弹道导弹武器系统技术负责人/总设计师，现任战术弹道导弹系列总设计师兼我国第四代中近程常规导弹武器系统（xxxx7）总设计师.(4th generation Mach 7 surface-surface/air-surface/anti-ship/carrier missile)
……
2009年她提出并主持研制我国第一型面向实战的最大飞行速度达到10倍声速的助推滑翔式机动飞行导弹武器系统，于2014年成功进行了全程飞行试验，专家评价，“该项目技术复杂，…,取得了重大原创性理论与技术成果，拥有多项自主知识产权，在国际上率先成功实现了高超声速助推滑翔导弹全程飞行试验…主要技术指标达到国际领先水平”(DF-17/Wu-14)
……
3.提出了助推滑翔战术导弹多学科耦合设计等理论方法，取得了重大原创性技术成果。主持研制了我国第一型实战化的高超声速助推滑翔战术导弹武器系统，在国内外率先成功进行了实弹飞行试验，主要技术指标达到国际领先水平，实现了我国地地战术导弹由传统弹道式飞行到助推滑翔式机动飞行的重大跨越。(new DF-XX HGV)

 

[Akasa]

主持制定了我国首型中远程超声速反舰导弹总体方案，提出的大空域、高机动飞行控制与冲压发动机推力调节的一体化控制方案，解决了超声速飞行条件下变轨机动与稳定飞行的强耦合难题。在国际上首次使该类导弹射程从百余公里提高近4 倍，导弹法向机动过载达到巡航导弹中最高水平，能够在航母编队防御圈外发射、有效突破“宙斯盾”系统。导弹总体性能国际领先，成为海军、空军反制航母的杀手锏武器装备。（500km range YJ-12)

2002 年至2015 年，作为型号总师，主持新型通用中远程导弹技术攻关和型号研制。按照“打牢基础、分步实施”的原则，先用4 年时间，通过XX-XX 飞行演示验证，首次实现弹道导弹“数字化”、一车一弹全方位无依托任意点热发射，具备“竖起来就打”的能力。再用4 年时间，通过XX-XT 飞行演示验证，解决了核常兼备、陆基机动远程攻击、空气舵弹头再入强机动飞行、末制导米级精度打击等难题。上述两个型号的研制，直接支撑了XX-XX 的国家立项。2010 年，任XX-XXA 总师，带领团队研制成功我国首型中远程固体机动核导弹，实现了我国弹道导弹精确打击能力和实战化水平的重大跨越，成为突破第二岛链的杀手锏，在9.3 阅兵中被誉为“我军战略威慑力体系中的新型武器”。(DF-26A etc)

2015 年至今，任某国防重大工程飞行器系统总师，主持特种飞行器技术研究，多次完成“螺旋式”高超声速机动飞行试验，取得“垂直发射/直接入轨”临近空间多级固体助推技术等具有国际领先水平的技术成果，系统认知了临近空间“新环境”，引起国际社会极大关注，形成与美、俄比肩发展的态势。(Next generation strategic weapons)

她参加工作30年来一直工作在地地战术弹道导弹科研第一线，她先后担任我国三代、7个地地战术弹道导弹武器系统技术负责人/总设计师，现任战术弹道导弹系列总设计师兼我国第四代中近程常规导弹武器系统（xxxx7）总设计师.(4th generation Mach 7 surface-surface/air-surface/anti-ship/carrier missile)
……
2009年她提出并主持研制我国第一型面向实战的最大飞行速度达到10倍声速的助推滑翔式机动飞行导弹武器系统，于2014年成功进行了全程飞行试验，专家评价，“该项目技术复杂，…,取得了重大原创性理论与技术成果，拥有多项自主知识产权，在国际上率先成功实现了高超声速助推滑翔导弹全程飞行试验…主要技术指标达到国际领先水平”(DF-17/Wu-14)
……
3.提出了助推滑翔战术导弹多学科耦合设计等理论方法，取得了重大原创性技术成果。主持研制了我国第一型实战化的高超声速助推滑翔战术导弹武器系统，在国内外率先成功进行了实弹飞行试验，主要技术指标达到国际领先水平，实现了我国地地战术导弹由传统弹道式飞行到助推滑翔式机动飞行的重大跨越。(new DF-XX HGV)

Some of these might be repetitive information. What is confirmed by these documents is that the YJ-12 has a max range of 400 km and that the DF-17 with HGV had completed test flights by 2014.

 

[cirr]

Some of these might be repetitive information. What is confirmed by these documents is that the YJ-12 has a max range of 400 km and that the DF-17 with HGV had completed test flights by 2014.

You are absolutely wrong

 

[Akasa]

You are absolutely wrong

Please explain what's wrong?

 

[cirr]

I'm not sure. The YJ-12 definitely has a range of 400 km (this was confirmed just recently), so you are indeed correct on that. Maybe the DF-17 didn't complete flight testing in 2014?

For me, “射程从百余公里提高近4倍“ is 500km(=1xx+4X1xx)

“射程从百余公里提高到近4倍“ is 400km.

 

[Akasa]

For me, “射程从百余公里提高近4倍“ is 500km(=1xx+4X1xx)

“射程从百余公里提高到近4倍“ is 400km.

It's a matter of dialogue; a fourfold increase (which is what the text translates to) can refer to either 4X the original value or 4X on top of the original value. In most cases, however, it refers to the former, which would match what other unofficial & official figures of roughly 400 km.

 

[Dante80]

The public information we have about the weapon really suggests that the range attributes of the system have a pretty serious release altitude and platform speed delta co-efficient. A reverse analogy (platform vulnerability variance according to mission profile) also exists.

In that context, any and all extreme range estimates should be taken with a grain of salt in my humble opinion, at least as far as concrete weapon capabilities in realistic theater scenarios are concerned.

 

[lcloo]

The public information we have about the weapon really suggests that the range attributes of the system have a pretty serious release altitude and platform speed delta co-efficient. A reverse analogy (platform vulnerability variance according to mission profile) also exists.

In that context, any and all extreme range estimates should be taken with a grain of salt in my humble opinion, at least as far as concrete weapon capabilities in realistic theater scenarios are concerned.

There is a core difference between China military watching and the Western counterparts.

PLA seldom, in fact almost never, disclosed the true capabilities of their weapons. The so called public informations are from calculated speculatiions by western military watchers or from Chinese internets citing leaks or big shrimps. We can never be sure these informations are accurates.

Wherelse in the West, the weapon manufacturers are more than happy to publish their weapons with non-sensitive informations, they put up advertisement on military periodicals, internets, exhibitions etc, aiming to boast their sales.

Chinese exports have different model designations and capabilities from the domestic models, and we should be careful not to treat them (export variant and domestic variant) as same ones.

In most cases, the capabilities of PLA weapons are underestimated, though some western writers (mostly from US) tend to overestimate them creating perception of China Threat with aim of lobbying for more military budget fundings.

Thus public informations does not necessary show true capabilities of PLA weapons.

 

[Deino]

None of your attached images show up!??

... and for the MKK2 images I also only get "ERROR"

 

[LKJ86]

HQ-17

 

[Dante80]

Interesting, the sabot parts seem to be less/smaller than the TOR system. I was under the impression that the system still used a copy of the 9M331 missile, and the modernization/upgrades had to do with the radar, computers and system connectivity.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Missile and Target

Missile entering Window

 

[khansaheeb]

Scary.

 

[Maxpane]

Which missile is this?