Chinese Missiles News & Discussions

[Jlaw]

China opposed THAAD not becos, it diminished China nuclear capability but becos this THAAD are basically ballistic missile that can configure with nuke and strike China in very short response time as they are position very near Beijing.

They are wolf in sheep clothes.

Best counter is remove nfu and let SK know 10 megaton of thermal nuclear warhead is aimed at Seol.
Better than the typical BS coming from liberal hanjian

 

[Figaro]

Best counter is remove nfu and let SK know 10 megaton of thermal nuclear warhead is aimed at Seol.
Better than the typical BS coming from liberal hanjian

No need. In an event of war, the PLA can easily jam THAAD radars and conduct surgical strikes. I can guarantee that the THAAD will not be a problem if China and South Korea come to blows. The only problem is in peacetime; the THAAD radar is invasive to Chinese national security.

 

[hassamun]

China’s PLA readying missiles to counter Indian air power

As tensions mount between India and China in a border dispute, Beijing is strengthening its mobile missile defenses to counteract India’s perceived air supremacy.

Every summer the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) conducts a major air defense exercise at its western theater command’s air force experimental training base. The anti-aircraft brigade of the 79th group army was the main participant in this year’s drill, on August 22.

The exercise evaluated the unit’s radar system, command and control network, intercept capabilities, electronic and cyber warfare abilities, mobility and logistics. The batteries engaged a variety of aircraft, including the J-10, J-11, Mil Mi-171, Harbin Z-9 and an assortment of UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles).

Reporting, Chinese state media gave particular attention to the Hongqi-16 (HQ-16), one of the PLA’s most prized surface-to-air missiles.

Earlier this month, video and photographic evidence surfaced online that shows China moving trainloads of HQ-16 and HQ-17 missiles to Tibet as the standoff with India at Doklam continues.

The HQ-16 is a third-generation medium-range air defense missile system. Inspired by the Russian Buk, the HQ-16 has a 40 km maximum range of fire. Cold-launched vertically, it takes 13 minutes for a moving HQ-16 to load and fire missiles armed with 70kg warheads.

The transporting of HQ missiles to Tibet shows the PLA is reinforcing its layered air defense arrangement in anticipation of Indian air power

The HQ-16 can lock-on eight targets and engage four simultaneously. Its missile has a claimed maximum flight speed of Mach 2.8, with a single-hit probability rate of between 70% and 98%. In 2016, an upgraded version known as the HQ-16B was unveiled with a greater range of fire at 70 km.

A battery of HQ-16 consists of four launch vehicles, a target searching radar vehicle, a tracking and guidance radar vehicle, a command and control vehicle, missile transport and reloading vehicles and power supply trucks. The HQ-16 is generally used to defend stationary assets.

The HQ-17, however, is highly mobile. Sitting on an all-terrain tracked chassis, the HQ-17 usually accompanies fast-moving armored units. An improved version of the Russian Tor-M1, the HQ-17 has a 12 km range of fire.

Like the HQ-16, the HQ-17 uses vertical cold launchers against enemy jets, helicopters, smart bombs, cruise missiles and UAVs. But unlike the former, one HQ-17 vehicle combines all functions of an HQ-16 battery, empowering it with greater mobility. It takes ten seconds for a moving HQ-17 to engage an enemy. Carrying eight 9M331 missiles with a maximum flight speed of Mach 2.3, an HQ-17 can engage two targets simultaneously.

The HQ-17’s claimed hit probability against cruise missiles is between 56% and 99%; against fighter jets it’s between 45% and 93%; and against helicopters 82% and 98%.

The transporting of HQ missiles to Tibet shows the PLA is reinforcing its layered air defense arrangement in anticipation of Indian air power. The systems’ suitability for operating on the high plateau was confirmed at an exercise, in May, in Tibet’s Tanggula Mountains.

When reflecting on the 1962 war with China, Indian generals often blame their country’s defeat on its misuse of air power. Many believe the war’s outcome would have been quite different had India’s air force participated in an offensive role.

A recent Vayu Aerospace study concluded that the PLA air force would be at a disadvantage in a future war due to Tibet’s extreme climate, which would will limit the payload and combat radius of Chinese aircraft.

Last year, India deployed supersonic BrahMos missiles to Arunachal Pradesh near Tibet. In June, the Indian army announced its plans to send a squadron of HAL Dhruv helicopters to the Chinese border. More recently, the Indian defense ministry approved a deal to purchase six US-made AH-64 Apache attack helicopters for the army aviation corps and announced that it is looking to procure 234 naval helicopters, at a cost of US$5 billion. On August 24, the Indian air force added six C-130J Super Hercules strategic aircraft to its Arjan Singh base in Panagarh, 470 km from Doklam.

The Chinese high command understands India’s assumption of achieving air supremacy in the next war. However the PLA is quietly putting together a neat little surprise for India’s flyboys.

http://www.atimes.com/article/chinas-pla-readying-missiles-stun-indian-air-power/

 

[ozranger]

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A moving army needs as much multi-layers air defence as much as a fixed military facilities. SPAAGs provide short range air defence and is really useless against high speed targets like incoming missiles or high flying aircraft.

HQ-17 is a 12KM range missile system mounted on track vehicles.

The one in the photo is a TOR-M1 imported from Russia. A HQ-17 has at least a different radar

 

[juj06750]

lol english guess is false again

it is chinese HQ17

 

[juj06750]

as above, easily confirmed

HQ17 adopts flat panel radar, which is used on newly developed HQ7B, while TOR M1 still uses 1980s-developed passive antenna based radar . the chinese radar is much sensitive and better than the obsolete russian radar . and HQ17 has shorter reaction time than TOR M1 . china imported about 60 TOR M1s in 2010s but it was for comparative developemts (NOT for mass deployment) china has largely deployed only domestic arms in fields . china DON'T want any russian in chinese arms industry

 

[zestokryl]

Few russian TOR modification since the 90s, ensued

Russia now has TOR with better radar, enhanced missile range and much quicker time lapse, between target detection and engaging. Example : http://www.arms-expo.ru.images.1c-b...8bbb067a2a60112334c54afe2.jpg?140499275552508

 

[grey boy 2]

Newest version of DF-16 nuclear capable medium range missiles spotted 近日，有网友在金华某大学门口拍摄到了驻地火箭军装备的疑似最新式“东风-16”中短程弹道导弹，用于打击中近程范围的重要目标。外媒分析称，东风-16导弹的主要打击目标或是美军在亚太前沿军事基地，有精确打击能力，也具备核常兼备能力。正因此，东风-16在网上得到了一个绰号：“冲绳专递”。[污]

 

[samsara]

Is This China's DF-21D Air Launched Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile Toting Bomber? - The Drive

By Tyler Rogoway, August 15, 2017

Pictures have surfaced from China's internet supposedly showing a new derivative of the People's Liberation Air Force's Xian H-6 bomber. This incarnation of the H-6, dubbed the H-6N, is designed to carry one weapon in particular—the DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile.

China has also adapted the H-6 for a huge variety of roles, including reconnaissance, electronic warfare, aerial refueling, and a wide array of testbed duties, in addition to its role as a bomber and cruise missile carrier. Now the H-6N, the latest variant of the most modern H-6 version, the H-6K bomber, will supposedly take on one of the most exotic roles of all—hauling anti-ship ballistic missiles to launching points far from Chinese shores.

China's New Bomber H-6k Represents Great Leap in Long Range Precision Strike

China's DF-21D remains a somewhat shadowy weapon when it comes to its true abilities. Nevertheless it is now widely regarded as a game-changing anti-access/area-denial weapon system. The DF-21D is a conventionally armed, ground-launched medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM), with a range thought to be around 800 to 900 miles (about 1,290 - 1,450 kilometers). How it differs from standard MRBMs is that it can maneuver dynamically during reentry and has the ability to target large vessels during the terminal phase of its flight.

In essence, it is a carrier killer that engages at hypersonic speeds and steep angles of descent, making most traditional defensive weaponry useless against it. Even advanced anti-ballistic missile capabilities would be hard pressed to intercept a DF-21D depending on its stage of flight.
(...)
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...hed-anti-ship-ballistic-missile-toting-bomber

 

[Martian2]

China's YJ-12 Mach 3 terminal-phase "cork-screw" anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM)

China's YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) has two interesting features to attack a naval ship.

Firstly, the YJ-12 ASCM travels at Mach 3. Since there is a curvature to the Earth, Popular Science says "the target ship has less than 10 seconds to respond with last-ditch defenses like Gatling cannons."

This new ramjet engine could triple the range of Chinese missiles | Popular Science

Secondly, in addition to the supersonic speed, the YJ-12 engages in "cork-screw-like turns which allow it to evade final defenses."

As I understand it, China's YJ-12 has minor random variations programmed into its final approach of "cork-screw-like turns" to make its flight trajectory extremely unpredictable.

China's YJ-12 ASCM is superior to the US Harpoon anti-ship cruise missile (which is only subsonic and flies in a straight line). China's YJ-12 reduces the adversary's reaction time to "less than 10 seconds" and flies in "cork-screw-like turns" to create unpredictability in its location.

YJ-12 | Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance

"Protection against the YJ-12 is even more difficult due to its cork-screw-like turns which allow it to evade final defenses."

 

[samsara]

The coverages of DF-16 MRBM according to Henri K. - East Pendulum

https://twitter.com/x/status/904637485728325632

 

[ozranger]

China's YJ-12 Mach 3 terminal-phase "cork-screw" anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM)

China's YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) has two interesting features to attack a naval ship.

Firstly, the YJ-12 ASCM travels at Mach 3. Since there is a curvature to the Earth, Popular Science says "the target ship has less than 10 seconds to respond with last-ditch defenses like Gatling cannons."

This new ramjet engine could triple the range of Chinese missiles | Popular Science

Secondly, in addition to the supersonic speed, the YJ-12 engages in "cork-screw-like turns which allow it to evade final defenses."

As I understand it, China's YJ-12 has minor random variations programmed into its final approach of "cork-screw-like turns" to make its flight trajectory extremely unpredictable.

China's YJ-12 ASCM is superior to the US Harpoon anti-ship cruise missile (which is only subsonic and flies in a straight line). China's YJ-12 reduces the adversary's reaction time to "less than 10 seconds" and flies in "cork-screw-like turns" to create unpredictability in its location.

YJ-12 | Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance

"Protection against the YJ-12 is even more difficult due to its cork-screw-like turns which allow it to evade final defenses."

CM-400AKG is completely a different missile, isn't it?

 

[Martian2]

CM-400AKG is completely a different missile, isn't it?

CM-400AKG | Deagel

"The CM-400AKG is a smaller and lighter version of the YJ-12 anti-ship missile intended for use by tactical fighter aircraft such as the FC-1, J-10 and Su-30MKK/J-11."

 

[Deino]

CM-400AKG | Deagel

"The CM-400AKG is a smaller and lighter version of the YJ-12 anti-ship missile intended for use by tactical fighter aircraft such as the FC-1, J-10 and Su-30MKK/J-11."

OHM ... first that J-25 or whatever fake at DEAGEL and now this.
They surely mixed this smaller and lighter version with the YJ-91, which in fact is based on the Russian Ch-31, a very different weapon.
The CM-400AKG is that weapon we saw under a FC-1/JF-17.

So much on DEAGEL's credibility.

Deino

 

[ozranger]

CM-400AKG | Deagel

"The CM-400AKG is a smaller and lighter version of the YJ-12 anti-ship missile intended for use by tactical fighter aircraft such as the FC-1, J-10 and Su-30MKK/J-11."

CM-400AKG is a ballistic missile which employs a rocket engine, while YJ-12 is a cruise missile which employs a Ramjet engine.

CM-400AKG (No intake as the engine is a rocket)

YJ-12 (4 intakes of a ramjet engine)