Chinese Missiles News & Discussions

[Beast]

Their leader Kalam said they will be superpower by 2012. Indian leaders are not as smart as you think.

But when comes to life and death. They will think twice becos they will chicken out.

 

[Beidou2020]

But when comes to life and death. They will think twice becos they will chicken out.

You would think reality will hit them before they commit national suicide but they are so delusional that I fear for them.

 

[j20blackdragon]

The LGM-118A Peacekeeper has a diameter of 2.3 meters.

http://fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/lgm-118.htm

The DF-5 has a diameter of 3.35 meters.

http://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/icbm/df-5.htm

If the Peacekeeper has the ability to carry 10 W87 warheads, so can the DF-5B.

In the original DF-5, the missile narrows as it approaches the post boost vehicle, providing less room for the warheads.

In the DF-5B, the missile remains 'fat' all the way through. There is no narrowing. That means we have the full 3.35 meter diameter space for warheads, which is more than the Peacekeeper.

10+ warheads for the DF-5B is possible. This is one of the most powerful ICBMs in the world today.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The LGM-118A Peacekeeper has a diameter of 2.3 meters.

http://fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/lgm-118.htm

The DF-5 has a diameter of 3.35 meters.

http://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/icbm/df-5.htm

If the Peacekeeper has the ability to carry 10 W87 warheads, so can the DF-5B.

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In the original DF-5, the missile narrows as it approaches the post boost vehicle, providing less room for the warheads.

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In the DF-5B, the missile remains 'fat' all the way through. There is no narrowing. That means we have the full 3.35 meter diameter space for warheads, which is more than the Peacekeeper.

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10+ warheads for the DF-5B is possible. This is one of the most powerful ICBMs in the world today.

The DF-41 has a diameter of 2.5 meters, so it can exceed the Peacekeeper in term of range and payload.

 

[j20blackdragon]

The DF-5B is basically a militarized version of the later variants of the CZ-2C.

The DF-5 would be the original CZ-2.

That means the technology is proven.

And the production line is already in place to mass produce the ICBM if needed.

This is a Chinese modern-day SS-18 in terms of size.

 

[j20blackdragon]

The DF-5B is a much longer ICBM than the original DF-5.

Compare the length of the shroud + 2nd stage to the length of the 1st stage on the DF-5B.

Now do the same for the DF-5.

Notice how much shorter the shroud + 2nd stage is on the original.

This is one of the reasons why I believe this ICBM is based on the later variants of the CZ-2C.

Starting with the CZ-2C/SD, a stretched 2nd stage was developed and the overall length of the rocket was increased to 40 meters. The DF-5B appear to have the same changes.

 

[j20blackdragon]

The DF-5B shroud is shorter than the CZ-2C/SD payload fairing.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Disregard what I originally said about the length of the DF-5B.

I now believe the DF-5B is about the same length as the original DF-5.

Hopefully these pictures are taken from an angle that won't misrepresent the size of the objects.

The DF-5B is a unique design.

It's not a simple modification of the original DF-5 because the shroud and 2nd stage have changed significantly.

It's also not a copy of the CZ-2C/SD because it is much shorter.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Report: Stolen data gives China advanced nuclear know-how

'It's not good news'

May 24, 1999
Web posted at: 10:42 p.m. EDT (0242 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- China could begin production of advanced thermonuclear weapons based on stolen U.S. design information during the next decade, according to a congressional report on Chinese nuclear espionage that will be released officially Tuesday.

Those weapons "may be tested in 1999 and could be deployed as soon as 2002," the report states.

According to the Cox report, China penetrated U.S. nuclear labs, stealing secrets about the U.S. neutron bomb and every warhead in the U.S. nuclear arsenal -- including those for the MX Peacekeeper and Minuteman III missiles.

Also among the purloined blueprints for weapons of mass destruction: the W-88 warhead, described as "the most sophisticated nuclear weapon the United States has ever built."

CNN - Report: Stolen data gives China advanced nuclear know-how - May 24, 1999

 

[Martian2]

New PL-10 AAM has thrust vectoring, high off-boresight attacks, and super maneuverability | Jane's

Chief designer reveals data on China's new Luoyang PL-10 AAM - IHS Jane's 360

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The new generation of Chinese missiles appears to include thrust vectoring across the board. Here's the larger LY-80 and it has thrust vectoring too.

China's HQ-16 (export name LY-80) Surface-to-Air Missile has thrust vectoring

Thrust-vectoring on the HQ-16 increases maneuverability. This means the HQ-16 SAM is ultra-lethal. You wouldn't want four HQ-16 SAMs simultaneously chasing your fighter jet.

 

[Jlaw]

New PL-10 AAM has thrust vectoring, high off-boresight attacks, and super maneuverability | Jane's

Chief designer reveals data on China's new Luoyang PL-10 AAM - IHS Jane's 360

It is quite strange as why the missile data is made public?

Any reason for that?

 

[Martian2]

It is quite strange as why the missile data is made public?

Any reason for that?

I think it's confidence.

China's missile technology compares favorably to Western missiles.

The United States has no problem in providing basic statistics to tout the awesomeness of its weaponry.
China is doing the same thing.

China is announcing: thrust vectoring, high off-boresight attacks, and super maneuverability (as evidenced by the numerous control surfaces on the new PL-10 missile).

To sell missiles in the export market, China has to tout their high-tech features.

The report also noted that the PL-10 has "world class" capabilities that include a "multi-element imaging infrared seeker with anti-jamming capabilities" and indicated that it is capable of high off-boresight attacks and has super manoeuvrability.

 

[55100864]

I think it's confidence.

China's missile technology compares favorably to Western missiles.

The United States has no problem in providing basic statistics to tout the awesomeness of its weaponry.
China is doing the same thing.

China is announcing: thrust vectoring, high off-boresight attacks, and super maneuverability (as evidenced by the numerous control surfaces on the new PL-10 missile).

To sell missiles in the export market, China has to tout their high-tech features.

don't forget the PL-15,
USAF seeks ‘interim’ CHAMP, longer-range air-to-air missiles
USAF seeks ‘interim’ CHAMP, longer-range air-to-air missiles

The US Air Force plans to introduce Boeing and Raytheon’s “CHAMP” high-power-microwave emitting cruise missile into the combat force on board the 1990s conventional air-launched cruise missile as an “interim capability” while the technology transitions to Lockheed Martin’s JASSM-ER.

Air Combat Command chief Gen Hawk Carlisle says the computer-killing capability, which knocks out electronic equipment with bursts of high-frequency electromagnetic energy, is a “great capability” that will be fielded in small numbers initially with US Global Strike Command – the air force’s nuclear combat force.

“We’ve talked about the transition of that capability for Global Strike Command, but that will probably be small numbers because what we really want to do is get CHAMP into next-generation missiles, so JASSM-ER,” Carlisle said at an Air Force Association event in Washington.

“[Global Strike commander Gen Robin Rand] and I are talking about how to transition some number, an interim capability that’s on the current [CALCM] system and then how do we move to even an improved capability into the next generation air-to-surface cruise missiles we’re producing today.”

The weapon has been in development with the Air Force Research Laboratory since 2009 and was successfully demonstrated at a test range in Utah in 2012. The technology has been deemed ready for development and fielding, and is already being improved and adapted to new platforms such as the JASSM-ER and possibly even reusable unmanned aircraft.

AFRL has been pursuing the Counter-electronics High Power Microwave Advanced Missile Project (CHAMP) as a niche capability that is difficult and expensive to harden against.

In terms of air superiority weapons, Carlisle says the development of next-generation air-to-air missiles is also “an exceptionally high priority”.

Raytheon’s AMRAAM is the current go-to Western weapon for beyond-visual-range air combat, but new long-range missiles being fielded by Russia and China are a significant concern to the Pentagon.

Carlisle says outmatching the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missile in particular is an “exceedingly high priority”.

“The PL-15 and the range of that missile, we’ve got to be able to out-stick that missile,” he says.

The air force is currently exploring a range of next-generation weapon concepts as it also pursues a sixth-generation fighter aircraft.

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[cirr]

New PL-10 AAM has thrust vectoring, high off-boresight attacks, and super maneuverability | Jane's

Chief designer reveals data on China's new Luoyang PL-10 AAM - IHS Jane's 360

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The new generation of Chinese missiles appears to include thrust vectoring across the board. Here's the larger LY-80 and it has thrust vectoring too.

China's HQ-16 (export name LY-80) Surface-to-Air Missile has thrust vectoring

Thrust-vectoring on the HQ-16 increases maneuverability. This means the HQ-16 SAM is ultra-lethal. You wouldn't want four HQ-16 SAMs simultaneously chasing your fighter jet.

I might add that the development of the LRAAM PL-15 has been more or less complete，with live firings from J-16 and J-20 hitting far-away targets。

Further，the development of the PL-21 is also said to be proceeding smoothly。

 

[Jlaw]

don't forget the PL-15,
USAF seeks ‘interim’ CHAMP, longer-range air-to-air missiles
USAF seeks ‘interim’ CHAMP, longer-range air-to-air missiles

The US Air Force plans to introduce Boeing and Raytheon’s “CHAMP” high-power-microwave emitting cruise missile into the combat force on board the 1990s conventional air-launched cruise missile as an “interim capability” while the technology transitions to Lockheed Martin’s JASSM-ER.

Air Combat Command chief Gen Hawk Carlisle says the computer-killing capability, which knocks out electronic equipment with bursts of high-frequency electromagnetic energy, is a “great capability” that will be fielded in small numbers initially with US Global Strike Command – the air force’s nuclear combat force.

“We’ve talked about the transition of that capability for Global Strike Command, but that will probably be small numbers because what we really want to do is get CHAMP into next-generation missiles, so JASSM-ER,” Carlisle said at an Air Force Association event in Washington.

“[Global Strike commander Gen Robin Rand] and I are talking about how to transition some number, an interim capability that’s on the current [CALCM] system and then how do we move to even an improved capability into the next generation air-to-surface cruise missiles we’re producing today.”

The weapon has been in development with the Air Force Research Laboratory since 2009 and was successfully demonstrated at a test range in Utah in 2012. The technology has been deemed ready for development and fielding, and is already being improved and adapted to new platforms such as the JASSM-ER and possibly even reusable unmanned aircraft.

AFRL has been pursuing the Counter-electronics High Power Microwave Advanced Missile Project (CHAMP) as a niche capability that is difficult and expensive to harden against.

In terms of air superiority weapons, Carlisle says the development of next-generation air-to-air missiles is also “an exceptionally high priority”.

Raytheon’s AMRAAM is the current go-to Western weapon for beyond-visual-range air combat, but new long-range missiles being fielded by Russia and China are a significant concern to the Pentagon.

Carlisle says outmatching the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missile in particular is an “exceedingly high priority”.

“The PL-15 and the range of that missile, we’ve got to be able to out-stick that missile,” he says.

The air force is currently exploring a range of next-generation weapon concepts as it also pursues a sixth-generation fighter aircraft.

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Giving out specs is not a good idea in some cases like missiles.