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Chinese Internment Camps; Sources That Establish The Truth

@Itachi

It is obvious to everyone that Uyghurs are not traditional Chinese people, they are in fact Turks.

Some of the behavior of Chinese posters here actually reveals that they also do not consider Uyghurs as Chinese nor respect Islam.

When I first came here, I was very pro-independence for East Turkestan, I.e. Xinjiang. In some ways I still believe in the goal that no Muslim majority region and population should be under Non-Muslim governments.

In the 90s, many Uyghurs came to Pakistan to flee persecution or restrictions in China. Since then, Musharraf sent many back by force and others fled to Turkey. However we still have many Uyghurs living in Pakistan.

The current problem however is definitely Western supported propaganda against China. This will not help Uyghurs realize their dreams.

I believe we may one day be able to peacefully gain autonomy for Uyghurs as per their wishes, but not by supporting backstabbing West or Indians.

It’s time for us to be intelligent and strive for peace, not become pawns for our enemies against a potential friend and ally.
 
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@Itachi

It is obvious to everyone that Uyghurs are not traditional Chinese people, they are in fact Turks.

Some of the behavior of Chinese posters here actually reveals that they also do not consider Uyghurs as Chinese nor respect Islam.

When I first came here, I was very pro-independence for East Turkestan, I.e. Xinjiang. In some ways I still believe in the goal that no Muslim majority region and population should be under Non-Muslim governments.

In the 90s, many Uyghurs came to Pakistan to flee persecution or restrictions in China. Since then, Musharraf sent many back by force and others fled to Turkey. However we still have many Uyghurs living in Pakistan.

The current problem however is definitely Western supported propaganda against China. This will not help Uyghurs realize their dreams.

I believe we may one day be able to peacefully gain autonomy for Uyghurs as per their wishes, but not by supporting backstabbing West or Indians.

It’s time for us to be intelligent and strive for peace, not become pawns for our enemies against a potential friend and ally.

The PRC govt is different than the posters here or the public they are more pragmatic the issue is the geo political situation of Central and West Asia needs to be reliazed we dont want to damage ties with the PRC nor do we want to he part of this Yankee Sino spat and be used as a geo political chess board by superpowers
 
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The PRC govt is different than the posters here or the public they are more pragmatic the issue is the geo political situation of Central and West Asia needs to be reliazed we dont want to damage ties with the PRC nor do we want to he part of this Yankee Sino spat and be used as a geo political chess board by superpowers

Islamization and re-integration of Central Asia back into the Islamic Turco-Persian sphere is just around the corner, and I feel both Turkey and Pakistan will play major parts in it.

It has been far too long that Non-Muslims have taken our lands and turned our own people against us.

However, we cannot let the West have any power or influence here as all they will do is use Muslims against each other to weaken us and to use us as cannon fodder for their proxy wars.
 
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I mean, okay...I can agree that this might be a tactic to destabilize relations of China with Pakistan or/& the rest of the world but really?? Ya all think that just cuz China's prospering economically and somewhat militarily that they don't need to persecute their minorities? Especially Muslims ones?

A little introspection should show that Pakistani (and Indian) persecution of religious minorities is much worse than what the Chinese do.

And while Uyghurs may have genuine grievances, the Uyghur situation is not a problem of religion per se and it should not be treated as such
 
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Multiple times on PDF, whenever anyone mentions or makes a thread about the ongoing atrocities of China in the Xinjiang region, it is filled with Chinese members of PDF and naive or outright brain cell lacking Pakistani members crying "Western Propaganda Against China!", "this is a tactic to destabilize our growing relationships!" "China can do no wrong!" (this one especially from our Chinese members).

I mean, okay...I can agree that this might be a tactic to destabilize relations of China with Pakistan or/& the rest of the world but really?? Ya all think that just cuz China's prospering economically and somewhat militarily that they don't need to persecute their minorities? Especially Muslims ones?

So what does China have to fear from it's Muslim minority? Well, history proves that the same thing India does with the Kashmiris....and that is "succession".

If the Muslim minorities get stable ground, they might ask for their own rights (much better than the ones provided by China) and might even bear arms and rebel (as they have done so in the past & some even continue to do so).

The below paragraph(s) are from a article, everything above is the poster's own thoughts and words.

The Roots of Uyghur Repression

Some have said that the repression and imprisonment of Uyghurs, and the physical and psychological torture imposed upon them, resemble the Chinese government’s crackdown on the members of the Falun Gong spiritual sect in the late 1990s. Initially, the government tolerated the emergence of this group. Yet as their numbers rose exponentially (to nearly seventy million), China saw them as a real threat to state ideology.

China has classified Falun Gong members in the same category as both Tibetan and Uyghur “separatists” — threats to the Communist Party. In all three cases, repression has taken the form of imprisonment, surveillance, and “re-education.”

Yet of all these groups, the Uyghurs stand out as targets of both Islamophobia and racism. Unlike another large group of Muslims in China, the Hui people, Uyghurs are not ethnically or culturally Chinese, but rather Turkish — this makes them specifically open to persecution on the basis not only of religion but also of race. Their culture and language (an Asian Turkic language similar to Uzbek) have been degraded, and they occupy the lowest rungs of the social and economic hierarchies.

The Uyghur have chafed under these conditions for decades and began carrying out militant actions in the late 1990s. Such groups as the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement (later the Turkestan Islamic Party) drew international attention both because of their aspirations to join Al Qaeda and attacks perpetrated around the Beijing Olympics. But the most prevalent instances of violence have been sporadic, autonomous, and of short duration.

It is thus a combination of economics, culture, religion, resources, and strategic location that drive the current repression of the Uyghur; the economic interests of Middle East countries prevent them from raising this issue with China.

In August 2018, Gay McDougall, a member of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, estimates that two million Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into “political camps for indoctrination” in the western Xinjiang autonomous region.

She said, “We are deeply concerned at the many numerous and credible reports that we have received that in the name of combating religious extremism and maintaining social stability (China) has changed the Uighur autonomous region into something that resembles a massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy, a sort of ‘no rights zone.’”

The deprivation of rights is of course seen as necessary in order for China to succeed in its ambition to forcibly strip the Uyghur of their Muslim identity and subjugate them to Han dominance. Any presence of Islam is seen as the presence of terrorism and separatism.

The Chinese government has said that these are simply “vocational training centers” meant to eliminate “the soil for the survival of terrorism,” according to Shohrat Zakir, chairman of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. A speech delivered by Chinese Communist Youth League Xinjiang Branch, March 2017 stated: “The training has only one purpose: to learn laws and regulations … to eradicate from the mind thoughts about religious extremism and violent terrorism, and to cure ideological diseases. If the education is not going well, we will continue to provide free education, until the students achieve satisfactory results and graduate smoothly.”

Of course, a major part of “re-education” involves the censoring and imprisonment of Uyghur intellectuals. Their alleged crimes are the standard ones — they are accused of preaching “separatism” and called “two-faced.” “Two-faced” is a term applied by the government to Uyghur cadres who pay lip service to Communist Party rule in the XUAR but secretly chafe against state policies repressing members of their ethnic group.

Dolkun Isa, president of the exiled World Uighur Congress, has claimed that two million people are detained in “concentration camps” in Xinjiang. The Uyghur Human Rights Project (UHRP) estimates that some 435 intellectuals (mostly students, but also teachers and researchers) have been imprisoned or disappeared. According to the Xinjiang Victims Database, forty-nine individuals have died in custody or shortly after their release, among them religious scholars Muhammad Salih Hajim and Abdulehed Mehsum; scholars Abdusattar Qarahajim and Erkinjan Abdukerim; and students Abdusalam Mamat, Yasinjan, and Mutellip Nurmehmet.

In response, an international petition has been started by a group called Concerned Scholars on China’s Mass Detention of Turkic Minorities. This group includes signatories such as Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler, Saskia Sassen, Hatem Bazian, Laleh Khalili, and hundreds more (including me). The letter does as good a job as any document laying out the broader implications of what China is doing in Xinjiang:

China has defended its mass incarceration of Turkic Muslims on the basis of counter-terrorism. However, it is also apparent that China is both seeking to embed its Xinjiang-focused policies in counter-terrorism cooperation with international partners and to export the methods and technologies that have underpinned its “surveillance state” in Xinjiang. If what is happening today in the XUAR is not addressed by the international community, there is a likelihood that we could see its replication in other authoritarian states who have used the label of “terrorist” to describe those who peacefully resist state hegemony.

Article Source: https://jacobinmag.com/2019/06/china-uyghur-persecution-concentration-camps

Other Sources (to prove that the internment camps and persecution exists):

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/28/a-summer-vacation-in-chinas-muslim-gulag/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ng-concentration-camps-uighur-muslim-minority

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-life-like-in-xinjiang-reeducation-camps-china-2018-5

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/training-camps-09112017154343.html

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/camps-05092018154928.html

https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2018/...merge-about-xinjiang-reeducation-camp-system/

https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/central-asians-organize-to-draw-attention-to-xinjiang-camps/

https://www.cwis.org/2018/01/156-fo...ocide-since-1945-the-indigenous-uyghurs-case/



My own words:

Now, other than a few Muslims working around the world to wake up to another Burma/Myanmar like situation, Turkey has also taken steps to call out China's persecution of it's Muslim minorities, majority, if not all, of which are Turkic. Heck, even the famous Noam Chomsky has spoken out against it! (read the article again if you didn't catch it).

Now is Mr. Chomsky also a paid CIA agent like me? (I can already see this one coming up from one, some or most of you :P).

I had the pleasure to sit 10 meters away from Noam Chomsky in my freshman year at University and heard me talk about the geo-politics of the world and in that speech, he easily spoke against the US and it's expansionist policies. As you all know, he's very outspoken (like me :D), so he can't be a paid agent.....don't know about me though, I'm getting paid $ 1,000 just to post this on PDF. :lol: jk...

Also, you can see the ferver & zeal of our Turkish brothers & sisters on PDF against the typical propaganda of our Chinese members to paint China in a good light.

I am now joining this "jihad" too. :angel:

Let the Great PDF Jihad of 2019 begin! :pakistan:

@OsmanAli98 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @DeadSparrow @maximuswarrior @Dubious @waz @Oscar @MastanKhan @Slav Defence @Horus @Nilgiri @Joe Shearer @Hakikat ve Hikmet @dexter @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Zarvan

Chomsky is a respected source.
As for the rest you'll be subject to the rules like everyone else. I will put all these threads and articles in one thread were people can discuss and put their points of view forward.
 
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Multiple times on PDF, whenever anyone mentions or makes a thread about the ongoing atrocities of China in the Xinjiang region, it is filled with Chinese members of PDF and naive or outright brain cell lacking Pakistani members crying "Western Propaganda Against China!", "this is a tactic to destabilize our growing relationships!" "China can do no wrong!" (this one especially from our Chinese members).

I mean, okay...I can agree that this might be a tactic to destabilize relations of China with Pakistan or/& the rest of the world but really?? Ya all think that just cuz China's prospering economically and somewhat militarily that they don't need to persecute their minorities? Especially Muslims ones?

So what does China have to fear from it's Muslim minority? Well, history proves that the same thing India does with the Kashmiris....and that is "succession".

If the Muslim minorities get stable ground, they might ask for their own rights (much better than the ones provided by China) and might even bear arms and rebel (as they have done so in the past & some even continue to do so).

The below paragraph(s) are from a article, everything above is the poster's own thoughts and words.

The Roots of Uyghur Repression

Some have said that the repression and imprisonment of Uyghurs, and the physical and psychological torture imposed upon them, resemble the Chinese government’s crackdown on the members of the Falun Gong spiritual sect in the late 1990s. Initially, the government tolerated the emergence of this group. Yet as their numbers rose exponentially (to nearly seventy million), China saw them as a real threat to state ideology.

China has classified Falun Gong members in the same category as both Tibetan and Uyghur “separatists” — threats to the Communist Party. In all three cases, repression has taken the form of imprisonment, surveillance, and “re-education.”

Yet of all these groups, the Uyghurs stand out as targets of both Islamophobia and racism. Unlike another large group of Muslims in China, the Hui people, Uyghurs are not ethnically or culturally Chinese, but rather Turkish — this makes them specifically open to persecution on the basis not only of religion but also of race. Their culture and language (an Asian Turkic language similar to Uzbek) have been degraded, and they occupy the lowest rungs of the social and economic hierarchies.

The Uyghur have chafed under these conditions for decades and began carrying out militant actions in the late 1990s. Such groups as the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement (later the Turkestan Islamic Party) drew international attention both because of their aspirations to join Al Qaeda and attacks perpetrated around the Beijing Olympics. But the most prevalent instances of violence have been sporadic, autonomous, and of short duration.

It is thus a combination of economics, culture, religion, resources, and strategic location that drive the current repression of the Uyghur; the economic interests of Middle East countries prevent them from raising this issue with China.

In August 2018, Gay McDougall, a member of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, estimates that two million Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into “political camps for indoctrination” in the western Xinjiang autonomous region.

She said, “We are deeply concerned at the many numerous and credible reports that we have received that in the name of combating religious extremism and maintaining social stability (China) has changed the Uighur autonomous region into something that resembles a massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy, a sort of ‘no rights zone.’”

The deprivation of rights is of course seen as necessary in order for China to succeed in its ambition to forcibly strip the Uyghur of their Muslim identity and subjugate them to Han dominance. Any presence of Islam is seen as the presence of terrorism and separatism.

The Chinese government has said that these are simply “vocational training centers” meant to eliminate “the soil for the survival of terrorism,” according to Shohrat Zakir, chairman of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. A speech delivered by Chinese Communist Youth League Xinjiang Branch, March 2017 stated: “The training has only one purpose: to learn laws and regulations … to eradicate from the mind thoughts about religious extremism and violent terrorism, and to cure ideological diseases. If the education is not going well, we will continue to provide free education, until the students achieve satisfactory results and graduate smoothly.”

Of course, a major part of “re-education” involves the censoring and imprisonment of Uyghur intellectuals. Their alleged crimes are the standard ones — they are accused of preaching “separatism” and called “two-faced.” “Two-faced” is a term applied by the government to Uyghur cadres who pay lip service to Communist Party rule in the XUAR but secretly chafe against state policies repressing members of their ethnic group.

Dolkun Isa, president of the exiled World Uighur Congress, has claimed that two million people are detained in “concentration camps” in Xinjiang. The Uyghur Human Rights Project (UHRP) estimates that some 435 intellectuals (mostly students, but also teachers and researchers) have been imprisoned or disappeared. According to the Xinjiang Victims Database, forty-nine individuals have died in custody or shortly after their release, among them religious scholars Muhammad Salih Hajim and Abdulehed Mehsum; scholars Abdusattar Qarahajim and Erkinjan Abdukerim; and students Abdusalam Mamat, Yasinjan, and Mutellip Nurmehmet.

In response, an international petition has been started by a group called Concerned Scholars on China’s Mass Detention of Turkic Minorities. This group includes signatories such as Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler, Saskia Sassen, Hatem Bazian, Laleh Khalili, and hundreds more (including me). The letter does as good a job as any document laying out the broader implications of what China is doing in Xinjiang:

China has defended its mass incarceration of Turkic Muslims on the basis of counter-terrorism. However, it is also apparent that China is both seeking to embed its Xinjiang-focused policies in counter-terrorism cooperation with international partners and to export the methods and technologies that have underpinned its “surveillance state” in Xinjiang. If what is happening today in the XUAR is not addressed by the international community, there is a likelihood that we could see its replication in other authoritarian states who have used the label of “terrorist” to describe those who peacefully resist state hegemony.

Article Source: https://jacobinmag.com/2019/06/china-uyghur-persecution-concentration-camps

Other Sources (to prove that the internment camps and persecution exists):

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/28/a-summer-vacation-in-chinas-muslim-gulag/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ng-concentration-camps-uighur-muslim-minority

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-life-like-in-xinjiang-reeducation-camps-china-2018-5

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/training-camps-09112017154343.html

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/camps-05092018154928.html

https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2018/...merge-about-xinjiang-reeducation-camp-system/

https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/central-asians-organize-to-draw-attention-to-xinjiang-camps/

https://www.cwis.org/2018/01/156-fo...ocide-since-1945-the-indigenous-uyghurs-case/



My own words:

Now, other than a few Muslims working around the world to wake up to another Burma/Myanmar like situation, Turkey has also taken steps to call out China's persecution of it's Muslim minorities, majority, if not all, of which are Turkic. Heck, even the famous Noam Chomsky has spoken out against it! (read the article again if you didn't catch it).

Now is Mr. Chomsky also a paid CIA agent like me? (I can already see this one coming up from one, some or most of you :P).

I had the pleasure to sit 10 meters away from Noam Chomsky in my freshman year at University and heard me talk about the geo-politics of the world and in that speech, he easily spoke against the US and it's expansionist policies. As you all know, he's very outspoken (like me :D), so he can't be a paid agent.....don't know about me though, I'm getting paid $ 1,000 just to post this on PDF. :lol: jk...

Also, you can see the ferver & zeal of our Turkish brothers & sisters on PDF against the typical propaganda of our Chinese members to paint China in a good light.

I am now joining this "jihad" too. :angel:

Let the Great PDF Jihad of 2019 begin! :pakistan:

@OsmanAli98 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @DeadSparrow @maximuswarrior @Dubious @waz @Oscar @MastanKhan @Slav Defence @Horus @Nilgiri @Joe Shearer @Hakikat ve Hikmet @dexter @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Zarvan

I was reading some article yesterday and saw something that caught my eye. China is a strong ally of North Korea and you can guess what's common between them? :)

Bro, i like to comment and respond to this communist propaganda as my individual obligation to stand up against oppression but i am sure that it's useless if i am being honest. China will have its way and we will see Uighurs being wiped out just within a few years and no one will even care.

I honestly thought the Chinese are Gog Magog considering how much they are feared. The PM of Pakistan, the PM of a nuclear country shit his pants when asked about Uighurs. They're huge in numbers, they're walled off from the rest of the world (the great firewall, censorship, control of information), they're oppressive. But some Sheikh said that Gog Magog are walled up somewhere we don't know.

Anyway, i strongly believe that Chinese will be the ones that will bring an end to the world. In just a few short years, China will take over Pakistan and all other countries through CPEC, BRI. You can see the war between America and China. The Muslims will be eradicated, maybe China will join hands with America to take over the Arab world and the persecution of Muslims will start and Imam Mehdi(RA) and Isa(AS) will fight against them InshaAllah. Obviously Allah knows what will happen but this oppression on Muslims can't continue on forever.

Muslims especially Pakistanis are fools to think China is their friend. China is the first country in the world that proudly calls fasting, praying activities of a terrorist. I just can't believe it, they're openly calling Islam terrorism and these Pakistani have no spine. Other countries do it veiled and only villainize Jihad. To Muslims, this is what Allah says but feel free to do what your heart desires and abandon your Muslim brothers.

Helping and supporting them against the Muslims. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “The believers, men and women, are awliya’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another…” [al-Tawbah 9:71]. He also says of the kuffaar that they are “ but awliya’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) to one another…” [al-Maa’idah 5:51]. And He says (interpretation of the meaning): “…And if any amongst you takes them as awliya’, then surely he is one of them.” [al-Maa’idah 5:51].

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Take not as (your) bitaanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made clear to you the aayaat (proofs, evidence, verses), if you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e., you believe in the Tawraat and the Injeel, while they disbelieve in your Book (the Qur’aan)]. And when they meet you, they say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish in your rage. Certainly Allaah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).’ If a good befalls you, it grieves them, but some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it…” [Aal ‘Imran 3:118-120].

By Allah, their breasts contain vile intentions for Muslims. And of course Allah knows.

I don't have any hope from this forum either, my post was deleted earlier when i called them Mushrikeen (deniers of God). Wonder if this post would survive since i quoted Holy Quran.
 
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I was reading some article yesterday and saw something that caught my eye. China is a strong ally of North Korea .
You should really read more books besides religious ones, China and North Korea were allies ever since the Korean war in1950, that was 70 years ago, every person who has basic history education should know this and you just found it out yesterday, that's really amazing, lol..
 
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Islamization and re-integration of Central Asia back into the Islamic Turco-Persian sphere is just around the corner, and I feel both Turkey and Pakistan will play major parts in it.

As a Pakistani, i feel that Pakistan has hurt the image of Islam more than West could achieve alone.

Who are these terrorists and who trained them? Weren't they Mujahideens of the past?

Pakistan is just a puppet government of America and the last thing it will do is join hands with Turkey to bring Islam.

But of course, there are naive people who still consider Pakistan as "fort of Islam". What a joke

You should really read more books besides religious ones, China and North Korea were allies ever since the Korean war in1950, that was 70 years ago, every person who has basic history education should know this and you just found it out yesterday, that's really amazing, lol..

That's not really amazing. I didn't know the relationship between two countries. What's amazing is Chinese don't know what its own government is doing to its people or the things we take for granted in the free world like freedom of speech, expression, religion etc. Now that's amazing
 
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Islamization and re-integration of Central Asia back into the Islamic Turco-Persian sphere is just around the corner, and I feel both Turkey and Pakistan will play major parts in it.

It has been far too long that Non-Muslims have taken our lands and turned our own people against us.

However, we cannot let the West have any power or influence here as all they will do is use Muslims against each other to weaken us and to use us as cannon fodder for their proxy wars.
Each Muslim nation/group/entity is defending their non-Muslims allies that persecute/kill/cast out their own Muslim brothers... to stay in their good side/safe...
 
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That's not really amazing. I didn't know the relationship between two countries.
If you didn't know Korean war and China and North Koreans are allies for 7 decades and think it's very natural.. well, you made speechless again..
 
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In Xinjiang and Tibet, kids can enjoy free preschool to high school 15 years free education, with free school meals, daily dairy, healthcare, free accommodation and school shuttles. Poor families can have monthly aid money and free government housing with full household appliances. Those preferential treatments are not fully enjoyed by Han Chinese.


Wiki is not a Chinese website and 少数民族优惠政策 is a well known law in China that everyone knows, are you not going to deny this simple fact, aren't you?

Would much prefer freedom over all of these
 
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Each Muslim nation/group/entity is defending their non-Muslims allies that persecute/kill/cast out their own Muslim brothers... to stay in their good side/safe...
Why Turkey is still in Nato and has so many US troops stationed in your soil, many attacks by US against Muslim countries were actually launched from US bases in Turkey.

Would much prefer freedom over all of these
I guess people in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq all believe so and that's why they live and enjoy this wonderful life they are having now.

i strongly believe that Chinese will be the ones that will bring an end to the world. In just a few short years, China will take over Pakistan and all other countries through CPEC, BRI. .
I kind of wonder what do you want to see about China, wiping out China? So if China doesn't exist, Pakistan and Muslim world will have no problems and everything will be fine? What did China really do to hurt Muslim world so much which makes China the enemy No.1 in your mind?
 
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Common tactic in ethnic suppression is to remove identities such as religion. Similar tactics were employed by the Soviets against the Uzbeks, Tajiks and Kazakhs.. While muslims towards more ethnic “Russians” were free to practice.

The same goes for China, it doesn’t per se have an issue with Islam more so it has an issue with Islam being the source of a political identity.
Hence, any Han muslims have no problems with the state and are celebrated while the Uyghurs who tend to use Islam as part of their separatist focus will be oppressed. The reason for this have also to do with foreign influence taking part in promoting such activities..

However..China has been our ally and has stood fast with us when the rest if the world did not and dismissed our narrative .. we owe it the same @beijingwalker
Multiple times on PDF, whenever anyone mentions or makes a thread about the ongoing atrocities of China in the Xinjiang region, it is filled with Chinese members of PDF and naive or outright brain cell lacking Pakistani members crying "Western Propaganda Against China!", "this is a tactic to destabilize our growing relationships!" "China can do no wrong!" (this one especially from our Chinese members).

I mean, okay...I can agree that this might be a tactic to destabilize relations of China with Pakistan or/& the rest of the world but really?? Ya all think that just cuz China's prospering economically and somewhat militarily that they don't need to persecute their minorities? Especially Muslims ones?

So what does China have to fear from it's Muslim minority? Well, history proves that the same thing India does with the Kashmiris....and that is "succession".

If the Muslim minorities get stable ground, they might ask for their own rights (much better than the ones provided by China) and might even bear arms and rebel (as they have done so in the past & some even continue to do so).

The below paragraph(s) are from a article, everything above is the poster's own thoughts and words.

The Roots of Uyghur Repression

Some have said that the repression and imprisonment of Uyghurs, and the physical and psychological torture imposed upon them, resemble the Chinese government’s crackdown on the members of the Falun Gong spiritual sect in the late 1990s. Initially, the government tolerated the emergence of this group. Yet as their numbers rose exponentially (to nearly seventy million), China saw them as a real threat to state ideology.

China has classified Falun Gong members in the same category as both Tibetan and Uyghur “separatists” — threats to the Communist Party. In all three cases, repression has taken the form of imprisonment, surveillance, and “re-education.”

Yet of all these groups, the Uyghurs stand out as targets of both Islamophobia and racism. Unlike another large group of Muslims in China, the Hui people, Uyghurs are not ethnically or culturally Chinese, but rather Turkish — this makes them specifically open to persecution on the basis not only of religion but also of race. Their culture and language (an Asian Turkic language similar to Uzbek) have been degraded, and they occupy the lowest rungs of the social and economic hierarchies.

The Uyghur have chafed under these conditions for decades and began carrying out militant actions in the late 1990s. Such groups as the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement (later the Turkestan Islamic Party) drew international attention both because of their aspirations to join Al Qaeda and attacks perpetrated around the Beijing Olympics. But the most prevalent instances of violence have been sporadic, autonomous, and of short duration.

It is thus a combination of economics, culture, religion, resources, and strategic location that drive the current repression of the Uyghur; the economic interests of Middle East countries prevent them from raising this issue with China.

In August 2018, Gay McDougall, a member of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, estimates that two million Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into “political camps for indoctrination” in the western Xinjiang autonomous region.

She said, “We are deeply concerned at the many numerous and credible reports that we have received that in the name of combating religious extremism and maintaining social stability (China) has changed the Uighur autonomous region into something that resembles a massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy, a sort of ‘no rights zone.’”

The deprivation of rights is of course seen as necessary in order for China to succeed in its ambition to forcibly strip the Uyghur of their Muslim identity and subjugate them to Han dominance. Any presence of Islam is seen as the presence of terrorism and separatism.

The Chinese government has said that these are simply “vocational training centers” meant to eliminate “the soil for the survival of terrorism,” according to Shohrat Zakir, chairman of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. A speech delivered by Chinese Communist Youth League Xinjiang Branch, March 2017 stated: “The training has only one purpose: to learn laws and regulations … to eradicate from the mind thoughts about religious extremism and violent terrorism, and to cure ideological diseases. If the education is not going well, we will continue to provide free education, until the students achieve satisfactory results and graduate smoothly.”

Of course, a major part of “re-education” involves the censoring and imprisonment of Uyghur intellectuals. Their alleged crimes are the standard ones — they are accused of preaching “separatism” and called “two-faced.” “Two-faced” is a term applied by the government to Uyghur cadres who pay lip service to Communist Party rule in the XUAR but secretly chafe against state policies repressing members of their ethnic group.

Dolkun Isa, president of the exiled World Uighur Congress, has claimed that two million people are detained in “concentration camps” in Xinjiang. The Uyghur Human Rights Project (UHRP) estimates that some 435 intellectuals (mostly students, but also teachers and researchers) have been imprisoned or disappeared. According to the Xinjiang Victims Database, forty-nine individuals have died in custody or shortly after their release, among them religious scholars Muhammad Salih Hajim and Abdulehed Mehsum; scholars Abdusattar Qarahajim and Erkinjan Abdukerim; and students Abdusalam Mamat, Yasinjan, and Mutellip Nurmehmet.

In response, an international petition has been started by a group called Concerned Scholars on China’s Mass Detention of Turkic Minorities. This group includes signatories such as Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler, Saskia Sassen, Hatem Bazian, Laleh Khalili, and hundreds more (including me). The letter does as good a job as any document laying out the broader implications of what China is doing in Xinjiang:

China has defended its mass incarceration of Turkic Muslims on the basis of counter-terrorism. However, it is also apparent that China is both seeking to embed its Xinjiang-focused policies in counter-terrorism cooperation with international partners and to export the methods and technologies that have underpinned its “surveillance state” in Xinjiang. If what is happening today in the XUAR is not addressed by the international community, there is a likelihood that we could see its replication in other authoritarian states who have used the label of “terrorist” to describe those who peacefully resist state hegemony.

Article Source: https://jacobinmag.com/2019/06/china-uyghur-persecution-concentration-camps

Other Sources (to prove that the internment camps and persecution exists):

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/28/a-summer-vacation-in-chinas-muslim-gulag/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ng-concentration-camps-uighur-muslim-minority

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-life-like-in-xinjiang-reeducation-camps-china-2018-5

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/training-camps-09112017154343.html

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/camps-05092018154928.html

https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2018/...merge-about-xinjiang-reeducation-camp-system/

https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/central-asians-organize-to-draw-attention-to-xinjiang-camps/

https://www.cwis.org/2018/01/156-fo...ocide-since-1945-the-indigenous-uyghurs-case/



My own words:

Now, other than a few Muslims working around the world to wake up to another Burma/Myanmar like situation, Turkey has also taken steps to call out China's persecution of it's Muslim minorities, majority, if not all, of which are Turkic. Heck, even the famous Noam Chomsky has spoken out against it! (read the article again if you didn't catch it).

Now is Mr. Chomsky also a paid CIA agent like me? (I can already see this one coming up from one, some or most of you :P).

I had the pleasure to sit 10 meters away from Noam Chomsky in my freshman year at University and heard me talk about the geo-politics of the world and in that speech, he easily spoke against the US and it's expansionist policies. As you all know, he's very outspoken (like me :D), so he can't be a paid agent.....don't know about me though, I'm getting paid $ 1,000 just to post this on PDF. :lol: jk...

Also, you can see the ferver & zeal of our Turkish brothers & sisters on PDF against the typical propaganda of our Chinese members to paint China in a good light.

I am now joining this "jihad" too. :angel:

Let the Great PDF Jihad of 2019 begin! :pakistan:

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China isnt the first nation with a need to suppress a section of its population nor is Pakistan the first nation keeping quiet about its allies internal matters.
 
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