Chinese forces show off power as Hong Kong gears up for protests

[Dubious]

and to this forums great credit, it hosts many nationalities.

Also why we mods have the biggest challenge of not exploding or being biased

 

[vi-va]

This is never under question when we question about what's happening


Of that were the case you would only see Pakistanis on this forum and no other nationality

Sorry, my bad English wording. What I mean here is since Mod defend @Pakhtoon yum, I think he is not troll. I don't know who he is, where he comes from. But mod won't be blind to tolerate troll.

Since you backed him, @Pakhtoon yum and me can have sincere discussion, no hatred, just be rational.

 

[KAL-EL]

Also why we mods have the biggest challenge of not exploding or being biased

Indeed! Can only imagine of how difficult it might be under certain circumstances to remain completely unbiased.

I give credit where credit is due, That’s for sure

 

[Rasengan]

Imo, Deng Xiaoping left HK as it is purposely. China is big, need certain degree diversity. Hong Kong is a political lab, we test and observe.

China politburo keep the HK political system compatible with West, such as law, monetary system, language. HK is a bridge between mainland China and West. Macao is a bridge for Portuguese-speaking country. Nothing out of control. Just some chaos, not a big deal in my opinion. US and UK hired 2000+ combined in HK for intelligence spying, how nervous they are.

Taiwan/South Korea/Japan/Singapore are bridges for western investments, technologies and cooperation as well. There are difficult issues, not vital. Manageable.

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" -Michael Corleone, The Godfather, Part II

China went through many ups and downs in history. China has patience.

I understand why Deng Xiaoping left HK as it is purposely. But in my opinion China has gone past that stage. From my understanding of China, when they want to test something they use Shanghai as a pilot project and if it passes the test, then the policy is enacted across China.

HK is a financial service giant but it will have to share that with Shanghai in the long term, therefore its purpose of testing and observing policies will be reduced as it will follow Chinese law. HK, I agree was and still is the bridge between mainland China and the West. However, this was only useful when the Chinese had no industry or foreign companies in the country. Fast forward to the current era, China has a strong industrial base and is now becoming a leader in innovation.

 

[vi-va]

I understand why Deng Xiaoping left HK as it is purposely. But in my opinion China has gone past that stage. From my understanding of China, when they want to test something they use Shanghai as a pilot project and if it passes the test, then the policy is enacted across China.

HK is a financial service giant but it will have to share that with Shanghai in the long term, therefore its purpose of testing and observing policies will be reduced as it will follow Chinese law. HK, I agree was and still is the bridge between mainland China and the West. However, this was only useful when the Chinese had no industry or foreign companies in the country. Fast forward to the current era, China has a strong industrial base and is now become a leader in innovation.

Another reason which is very important is, HK is showcase of Taiwan which is far more important than HK.

Deng Xiaoping promised 50 years unconditionally. China government must keep her words. We are not US, we always try our best to keep our words. That's the price to be second place. Only hegemony can break the treaty without serious consequence.

And China will keep her words as always. That's the nature of Chinese civilization.

I agree, HK is not special nowadays, but Taiwanese is watching. I doubt worthy it or not.

China made severe mistakes on HK policy. The most important one as you pointed out is housing. The housing issue has political reason and background. It's complicated.

China mainland herself has housing issue as well. It's even more complicated.

 

[Rasengan]

Another reason which is very important is, HK is showcase of Taiwan which is far more important than HK.

Deng Xiaoping promised 50 years unconditionally. China government must keep her words. We are not US, we always try our best to keep our words. That's the price to be second place. Only hegemony can break the treaty without serious consequence.

And China will keep her words as always. That's the nature of Chinese civilization.

I agree, HK is not special nowadays, but Taiwanese is watching. I doubt worthy it or not.

China made severe mistakes on HK policy. The most important one as you pointed out is housing. The housing issue has political reason and background. It's complicated.

China mainland herself has housing issue as well. It's even more complicated.

I agree with your analysis. Deng Xiaoping promised 50 years unconditionally of a two system one country rule, so it must be kept, but that doesn't mean you can't bring some changes slowly. A radical shift in a short span of time is a risky business. It always makes me laugh though when Great Britain issues a warning to China. They are in no position to confront China and are the laughing stock of Europe.

In regards to Taiwan, I believe the people themselves will choose China. They will realize joining China will bring more prosperity in the long term. The housing issue is a big concern and the price hike. I have a friend who has a flat in Kowloon. Some company wants to redevelop the area. If he decided to sell today he couldn't afford another flat in the area with the same square foot. This needs to be resolved.

 

[vi-va]

I agree with your analysis. Deng Xiaoping promised 50 years unconditionally of a two system one country rule, so it must be kept, but that doesn't mean you can't bring some changes slowly. A radical shift in a short span of time is a risky business. It always makes me laugh though when Great Britain issues a warning to China. They are in no position to confront China and are the laughing stock of Europe.

In regards to Taiwan, I believe the people themselves will choose China. They will realize joining China will bring more prosperity in the long term. The housing issue is a big concern and the price hike. I have a friend who has a flat in Kowloon. Some company wants to redevelop the area. If he decided to sell today he couldn't afford another flat in the area with the same square foot. This needs to be resolved.

Both HK and Taiwan issues are complicated. It's way too complicated. I am not expert on those issues. You have a point, but the reality is not optimistic.

 

[bbccdd1470]

China should let the protests run it's course. The increasing violence and extremism employed by the protesters will cause public support for them to flag and support for law and order to increase. Most Hong Kong people are still pragmatic.

In response, China needs to work with the Hong Kong government to quickly solve the pressing housing and economic issues. That will go a long way to resolve the underlying anger.

My opinion that is the current HK adminiration will be paralyzed for a while, some of the important projects have been stopped. Our Legislative Building have been badly damaged, so budget bill will be delayed for 4 to 10 months.

instead of using force to disperse the protesters I have a novel suggestion
announce a week long or a month long festival at the place of protests. celebrate the Chinese Hong Kong union
since the 80s, celebrate the culture and the achievements, dance music, food sports and fireworks.

The gov't already tried that on 7/1, but some protestors just came there to cause troubles, like cursing and blocked the entrance. You guys have no idea how some of those protestors like, they act like mobsters where they curse anyone with different opinions, corner you with their numbers to stop you from leaving. If they think you are taking picture of them, they force you to open the cellphone and delete your pictures. Some even push you.

For people who understand Chinese, there has a video about a student reveal how our biased teacher brainwash our youth with misleaded information or one sided information.

 

[Nan Yang]

But you lost at Court of Arbitration, and they ruled in favor of Philippines. Chinese claim is hilarious, a Ming Dynasty ruler ruled over China sea, in other words, the ancestors went fishing there.
By that logic, India could claim Indonesia just because an Indian empire ruled over them for a short period.

Is the Court of arbitration part of the United Nations?

Indian empire rule over Indonesia. Really ?

 

[055_destroyer]

But you lost at Court of Arbitration, and they ruled in favor of Philippines. Chinese claim is hilarious, a Ming Dynasty ruler ruled over China sea, in other words, the ancestors went fishing there.
By that logic, India could claim Indonesia just because an Indian empire ruled over them for a short period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States

Ask US to follow court of arbitration first. If US ignores it. What makes China must follow? Selective agreement for some to cherry pick on China, right?

 

[gambit]

Also why we mods have the biggest challenge of not exploding or being biased

You can present and maintain the impression of being impartial by not participating in discussions and the only time your -- meaning the admin staff -- presence be known is when a forum rule is violated.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Is the Court of arbitration part of the United Nations?

Indian empire rule over Indonesia. Really ?

Then why did China sign up in it's convention? If you can't agree to UNCLOS, then why worry about UN?

Yes, there is history before the British arrived .

Chinese logic works in funny ways, say for Tibet some xyz dynasty forming alliance through marriage. South China sea, ancestral fishing location.

 

[Dubious]

You can present and maintain the impression of being impartial by not participating in discussions and the only time your -- meaning the admin staff -- presence be known is when a forum rule is violated.

I usually am in the Pakistani sections....Very rarely do I come into international waters- until and unless it is linked to South Asia...Plus we have international mods to swim there!

But we are also members of this forum and volunteer mods / staff...as members we are allowed the same privilege as members to post! But as mods we have to be partial when the case is about the other member!

Indian empire rule over Indonesia. Really ?

Indian kings ran to Thailand and from there to Indonesia (Srivijaya and majapahit history still exists)

 

[gambit]

I usually am in the Pakistani sections....Very rarely do I come into international waters- until and unless it is linked to South Asia...Plus we have international mods to swim there!

But we are also members of this forum and volunteer mods / staff...as members we are allowed the same privilege as members to post! But as mods we have to be partial when the case is about the other member!

The issue is not about privileges. It is about impressions, especially when the forum is international in scope.

When an admin staff member participate in a discussion, no matter how innocent it maybe, there lies a silent potential threat perceived by some participants that if they expresses opinions that runs contrary to popular sentiment, they may lose forum privileges. The consequences -- unknown to all - is that the forum loses insights that may have never seen before.

 

[Dubious]

The issue is not about privileges. It is about impressions, especially when the forum is international in scope.

Well if we dont take part, we may never be known and come out as obnoxious!

We are to be known as members so that we can be approachable...Plus we are members well before we became mods so we do comment on posts (not always) ...and we did join the forum to be a member ..being a mod is an added responsibility!

When an admin staff member participate in a discussion, no matter how innocent it maybe, there lies a silent potential threat perceived by some participants that if they expresses opinions that runs contrary to popular sentiment, they may lose forum privileges. The consequences -- unknown to all - is that the forum loses insights that may have never seen before.

Believe you me, I have been threatened number of times lolz

I dont think such threats work on an international anonymous forum!

As for those who are perceiving it, they need to engage with us, that is why we are here! To be part of the community not sit on a pedestal giving out warnings ...believe me it is so difficult to decide to slap some senses into the member through discussions or just warn and walk away

there lies a silent potential threat perceived by some participants that if they expresses opinions that runs contrary to popular sentiment, they may lose forum privileges.

Believe I am yet to meet a single member who thinks this way ...lolz

Would be nice to be respected instead of being threatened (offensive) or assuming I would ban them coz of difference of opinions (defensive mode)

Even our new members dont put us on such a pedestal