Chinese Flanker Family: J-11, J-16 ... Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK

[LKJ86]

So than these can be exported without getting any approval from Russia.

J-11B, J-11BS, and J-16 all use WS-10 engines.

 

[Deino]

technically, its can be exported without any string.

That's wrong ... surely China can export them if they want but that would anyway be a clear break of the licence agreement , which strictly excluded any export to third countries.

Therefore the question on export or no export was never related to the WS-10 even if an export without engines would have been impossible. Legally it is still forbidden even if some dreamers - especially Pakistani fans - still think and post the opposite. In essence it is the question on will China break the original contract or not,

View attachment 535668

Would be interesting to know, if the J-16 could carry even two AAMs on an adapter similar to these twin-pylon adapter usually used for rocket pods.

 

[LKJ86]

J-11B J-11BS

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

PAF will have strong disagreement over it however if PN can fly the Orients, the Z-9 and sea king helis, than they sure can operate a squadron or two of their own.

PAF will let it happen or be hanged for treason.

agree sir

It would be a very potent and powerful decision if made on time.

 

[MastanKhan]

This is the kind of JET PAF should be looking at for deep strikes within Indian territory and this will give us a huge boost in naval warfare as well keeping the IN much away. @MastanKhan

Hi,

The J16 is an excellent aircraft on its own merits---but it cannot compete in the low low flight envelop that the JH7 was developed for.

The US had the F111 for the low low flight capability that the russian military feared the most---. After that camethe B1 and then the B2---. The B2 with its stealth capability did not need the low flight capability---.

Pakistan has a vast ocean to strike at its enemy from different angles---. That capability would force the enemy to withdraw its multiple assets from the land facing border with Pakistan---thus thinning their strike capability and defences---.

The naval strike capability of the JH7A would play havoc on the enemy---why---.

On land---the enemy can have multiple SA missile batteries covering most of the entry points---.

If you look at the map of pakistan to the enemy---flying from Pasni---the aircraft can pick up multiple strike targets from standoff distances without getting into the enemy SA missile range---.

The targets that a naval strike mission opens are extremely vulnerable to the enemy. Strikes on targets in mumbai would strike at the heart of the enemy's economy---and that would be the most crucial strikes---would break the enemy's back---.

The JH7A still carries more load and has a longer strike distance than the J16---.

Please remember---there are two main types of aircraft---air superiority and general strike amongst many other---but I will keep the list short for understanding---.

You air superiority aircraft has to to be able to compete with the enemy mano a mano---because that is what they are designed for---.

But your strike aircraft are opportunistic aircraft that pickup a load from one place and deliver it to another place---they don't have to compete against the enemy aircraft in an air superiority battle---even though they do have some capability---but their primary goal is to move in deliver their goods and run away---.

For a country like china---The J16's the J15's the J11's are important showcases---because the chinese need to show their public where the investment is going---. They have to show off their new toys to build up confidence in the public towards their armed forces---but that does not mean that the old work horses have suddenly become obsolete---.

 

[LKJ86]

J-11BH & J-11BSH

 

[Brainsucker]

So than these can be exported without getting any approval from Russia.

The Engine? Yes, they can, I think. If China can increase their production capacity. The plane? Nope.

 

[jupiter2007]

Since J-16 uses Chinese engine, Can Pakistan acquire 36 J-16 for stop gap purpose?

 

[Leclan]

Hi,

~~~~~
but that does not mean that the old work horses have suddenly become obsolete---.

rational analysis. good summary.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[LKJ86]

Su-30MKK2

 

[LKJ86]

J-11BH

 

[LKJ86]

J-16D?

 

[Deino]

J-16D?
View attachment 536880 View attachment 536881

I would say yes, the wing-tip pod on the second image is a clear proof.

More interesting however is the tail with a psed serial number wich suggests it being assigned to an operational unit.

 

[LKJ86]

J-16