Chinese coast guard vs Vietnamese coast guard: Clash

[Lure]

USSR was the only thing in the world that protect poor nations. USSR fought with colonialists and thanks to it dozens of nations become free after centuries of colonial slavery. You do not know what kind of people were Soviet people... They truely believed in "Liberty Equality Fraternity" and in a bright future for them and all ordinary wokers and peasants of the Earth. They were the most reading and sport people in the world. They sacrificed their lives for their Motherland...
Never again be such a people on Earth...

Don't explain it to me. I'm one of the admirers of this generation... That generation changed the World, and still their effect is ongoing. What I'm saying is completely different. How can we make it better? More robust? Something that can't be collapsed by the imperialist, capitalist, liberal democrats. If a system collapses, it's an horrible thing. If the people under your system's rule running away from it no matter what reason is, it's an horrible thing. Marxism needs a new spirit. A spirit that will guide the developing World to a prosperous future, a spirit that will end the bourgeois democracy.

China had Den Xiaoping as a reformist. They tried to adopt classical Marxism into something that they can develop themselves more rapidly. What CCCP needed was a reformist, that can readjust the country to the post WW2 conjecture.

 

[vostok]

USSR was collapsed not because of "uneffectiveness" of socialistic economy. In 50's-60's Soviet economy rised 20-30% a year. It was effective. And in era of modern information Technology planned economy could be dozen times more effective then capitalist one. In fact - we do not have real capitalism since 2008, cause economy of USA still did not collapsed only thanking to government.
USSR was betrayed by Gorbachev and his group - they deliberately destroyed socialistic economy in 1985-1991 and the Soviet state.

 

[applesauce]

USSR was collapsed not because of "uneffectiveness" of socialistic economy. In 50's-60's Soviet economy rised 20-30% a year. It was effective. And in era of modern information Technology planned economy could be dozen times more effective then capitalist one. In fact - we do not have real capitalism since 2008, cause economy of USA still did not collapsed only thanking to government.
USSR was betrayed by Gorbachev and his group - they deliberately destroyed socialistic economy in 1985-1991 and the Soviet state.

uh the soviet union started stagnating in the late 70's early 80's and never rebounded(see how japan overtook the soviet union in the 70's) strict centrally planned economies simply cannot react nor are flexible enough to handle economics at the micro level. it was good for industrialization but once that is done the system then fails. and yes there is no pure capitalist economy on earth since we all have governments.

 

[vostok]

uh the soviet union started stagnating in the late 70's early 80's and never rebounded(see how japan overtook the soviet union in the 70's) strict centrally planned economies simply cannot react nor are flexible enough to handle economics at the micro level. it was good for industrialization but once that is done the system then fails. and yes there is no pure capitalist economy on earth since we all have governments.

Capitalism have stagnation period's too. So what? Socialist economy - next step of society organization. When Stalin ruled - we had some private bisnesses - small and middle private plants and fabrics. But then Hrushev started his destalinization, abolished the gold ruble, banned private ownership and economy rise started to slow down. But in 50 USSR has the biggest grown of economy - 30% per year.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

USSR was collapsed not because of "uneffectiveness" of socialistic economy. In 50's-60's Soviet economy rised 20-30% a year. It was effective. And in era of modern information Technology planned economy could be dozen times more effective then capitalist one. In fact - we do not have real capitalism since 2008, cause economy of USA still did not collapsed only thanking to government.
USSR was betrayed by Gorbachev and his group - they deliberately destroyed socialistic economy in 1985-1991 and the Soviet state.

Unfortunately main problem with soviets was the overindustrialization,they neglected consumer goods industry and agricultural sector completely.The military pressure of the intensifying cold war under reagan administration,cost of afghan war and economic stagnation.At one point they used 35% of GDP on military.Madness.
Also towards the end soviet political elite became incredibly corrupt and no longer believed in communism as such.

 

[Wholegrain]

THAT IS VIETNAMESE SEA!
They have the right to protect it. it is not aggressive.
The amount of Chinese people who does not know about their greedy expansion is too damn high!

It is so funny how good Chinese media is censored and bias and outsiders know better than insider

Wrong. The Spratly Islands were disputed between France and the Republic of China in the 1930s. Japan invaded the islands and after the Japanese were defeated, the Republic of China was designated to receive the Japanese surrenders in the Spratlys. The Republic of China then established garrisons on the islands before Vietnam was even an independent country. The Republic of China (Taiwan) has the oldest military presence and claims on the islands.

Spratly Islands (reefs, South China Sea) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

Vietnam Joins the World - Google Books

Where in the World is the Philippines?: Debating Its National Territory - Rodolfo Severino - Google Books

The Law of the Sea and Northeast Asia: A Challenge for Cooperation - Hmi-gwOn Pak - Google Books

they dont have google, the government bans it. Very simple example can show why I said the Chinese media is biased.
Ask a random Chinese citizen, about Fa Lun Gong, about Tibet, about Tiananmen...how much do they know about it?
I would not say that media in other country is unbiased but it is at least lest biased than Chinese media. You can search on google how transparency and freely journalism in Finland can be

Ask Falun Gong practitioners what common sense is. The Falun Gong claim they can cure any illness in the world and have the ability to levitate.

Interview with Li Hongzhi - TIME

Interview with Li Hongzhi
By WILLIAM DOWELL Monday, May 10, 1999
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TIME: How does Falun Gong differ from other types of qigong?
Li: There are different practices of qigong in China and in other countries, but they are primarily aimed at healing illnesses or keeping fit and maintaining good health. I am teaching a higher level of qigong. It encompasses a greater content. It is like the Tao, which is known in the Western world.

TIME: And this expresses an inner energy?
Li: You probably know that some people have supernormal capabilities. They are unique capabilities that are created during the course of the cultivation practice. In order to reach a higher level, we require people to reach the perfection or completion of cultivation. In Chinese we call this attaining the Tao.

TIME: In your book [Zhuan Falun] you talk about people levitating off the ground but you say that they should not show other people. Why is that?
Li: It is the same principle that Western gods in paradise should not be seen by ordinary mortals because they cannot understand its meaning.

TIME: Have you seen human beings levitate off the ground?
Li: I have known too many.

TIME: Can you describe any that you have known?
Li: David Copperfield. He can levitate and he did it during performances.

TIME: You have said that this type of qigong should not be used to cure illness. Why is that?
Li: Healing illnesses belongs to the lower level of qigong. A person with an illness cannot practice to a higher level. One has to purify one's body in order to have gong. Healing and fitness are for laying a foundation at a lower level of practice.

TIME: Would you use qigong to cure an illness?
Li: I can do all of this, but I won't do it.

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TIME: Why not?
Li: Because I only teach people how to learn this dafa [great law] and to practice cultivation. I only teach the principles of fa to mankind. I won't do anything else.

TIME: What is the final goal?
Li: The ultimate purpose is to enable people to attain the Tao and to complete their cultivation practice. In the end they can free themselves from the worldly state. I know that human lives are not created from the dimension that human beings think they know.

The last time people believed in a cult like Falun Gong, this happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

And speaking of Tibet, I can say the same. Ask a Tibetan exile about Taiwanese Khamba Tibetans (who oppose Tibetan independence), ask them about Pandatsang Rapga and the Tibet Improvement Party or the Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Commission snd they will draw blank stares. Its a taboo topic for the Dalai Lama's followers to even mention them or that there are Tibetans who oppose Tibetan independence.

http://repository.dl.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2261/8135/1/ioc152014.pdf

Pandatsang Rapga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tibet Improvement Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Dalai Lama omits all mention of his predecessors irridentist aggresion.

Sino-Tibetan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Speaking of which, the Tibetan "government" only controlled the U-Tsang region of Tibet and western Xikang. It had no control over eastern Xikang (now in Sichuan), Qinghai, or Gansu where many ethnic Tibetans lived. It never conducted a census in any of those territories. Yet it claims to know the exact number of Tibetans who lived in China while it didn't control these lands and claim they were genocided.

In addition to Khamba Tibetans being mostly loyal to the Republic of China (Taiwan) and opposing Tibetan independence, most Amdo (Qinghai) Tibetans swore alleigance to the Governor and warlord of Qinghai Ma Bufang who was allied to the Republic of China government and a KMT member.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ies-strategypage-news-claims.html#post4407193

There are three different kinds of Tibetans, those from U Tsang, Amdo, and Kham.

Most of the Dalai Lama's establishment was based in U Tsang. Amdo and Kham were not controlled by Tibet. Amdo Tibetans were loyal to the Muslim warlord Ma Bufang, who was allied to the Republic of China government, and Khamba Tibetans were also allied to the Republic of China government. They made up the backbone of the Tibet Improvement Party which was pro Republic of China and against the Dalai Lama.

Even in U Tsang, opponents of different factions at the Dalai Lama's court were either pro or anti Republic of China, some of them were against separatism.

The Amdo and Khamba Tibetans did not oppose the CCP because they are separatists. They opposed the CCP because they were pro ROC and KMT and Khamba fighters took orders from the Republic of China Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Commission in Taiwan and not the Dalai Lama. They were also angry about land reforms, not because they wanted to join the Dalai Lama and separate from China.

Most of the Tibetan community in Taiwan are Khambas and aren't separatists.

 

[Tanja]

I see. yet, there are some different opinions about Tibet and China. Mostly what I heard in European media is that China tortured a lot of Tibetans monks and imprisoned a 6 year old child because he is nominated to be a Pachen Lama by the Dalai Lama. What do you think about it?
FNOTW: The world youngest political prisoner
FNOTW: "They treat us like animals"

Besides, of course there are some opinion agrees that Tibet belongs to China
FNOTW: Opinion: Tibet belongs to China
FNOTW: Opinion: Tibet belongs to China (2)

What do you think?

 

[Tanja]

Ask Falun Gong practitioners what common sense is. The Falun Gong claim they can cure any illness in the world and have the ability to levitate.

Interview with Li Hongzhi - TIME



The last time people believed in a cult like Falun Gong, this happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

And speaking of Tibet, I can say the same. Ask a Tibetan exile about Taiwanese Khamba Tibetans (who oppose Tibetan independence), ask them about Pandatsang Rapga and the Tibet Improvement Party or the Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Commission snd they will draw blank stares. Its a taboo topic for the Dalai Lama's followers to even mention them or that there are Tibetans who oppose Tibetan independence.

http://repository.dl.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2261/8135/1/ioc152014.pdf

Pandatsang Rapga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tibet Improvement Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Dalai Lama omits all mention of his predecessors irridentist aggresion.

Sino-Tibetan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Speaking of which, the Tibetan "government" only controlled the U-Tsang region of Tibet and western Xikang. It had no control over eastern Xikang (now in Sichuan), Qinghai, or Gansu where many ethnic Tibetans lived. It never conducted a census in any of those territories. Yet it claims to know the exact number of Tibetans who lived in China while it didn't control these lands and claim they were genocided.

In addition to Khamba Tibetans being mostly loyal to the Republic of China (Taiwan) and opposing Tibetan independence, most Amdo (Qinghai) Tibetans swore alleigance to the Governor and warlord of Qinghai Ma Bufang who was allied to the Republic of China government and a KMT member.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ies-strategypage-news-claims.html#post4407193

And also, may I have your email or your contact? I want to ask you more about this issue . I appreciate if you can help me

 

[Wholegrain]

I see. yet, there are some different opinions about Tibet and China. Mostly what I heard in European media is that China tortured a lot of Tibetans monks and imprisoned a 6 year old child because he is nominated to be a Pachen Lama by the Dalai Lama. What do you think about it?
FNOTW: The world youngest political prisoner
FNOTW: "They treat us like animals"

Besides, of course there are some opinion agrees that Tibet belongs to China
FNOTW: Opinion: Tibet belongs to China
FNOTW: Opinion: Tibet belongs to China (2)

What do you think?

Another topic the Dalai Lama does not like to talk about are the 9th and 10th Panchen Lamas. The 9th Panchen Lama fled Tibet to joined the Republic of China government after the 13th Dalai Lama tried to seize all of his assets and declared his support for China. His succesor, Choekyi Gyaltsen, the 10th Panchen Lama was chosen by the 9th Panchen Lama's suboordinates and also supported China and wanted to reconquer Tibet from the 14thmDalai Lama. The Dalai Lama's candidate for the 10th Panchen Lama was rejected and the Dalai Lama was forced to recognize Choekyi Gyaltsen after he signed the 17 Point Agreement and nobody heard anything further about the Dalai Lama's pretender.

Its proof that the Dalai Lama sets aside the BS about the ritual of selecting Lama's being a "sacred" process people cannot interfere with, when he is confronted wth reality. The current Panchen Lama is the 11th.

The 9th, 10th and 11th Dalai Lama were selected by selecting the name of a possible reincarnation from various slips in the Golden Urn by the Amban appointed by the Emperor of China, rather then by Tibetan methods of finding the reincarnation and testing them. Its not a sacred or holy infallible process which it is potrayed as in the west. And since you are not a tibetan buddhist I don't see how you can accept the entire institution as valid.

 

[Soryu]

Vietnam should be very careful in confronting China; they shouldn't act aggressively having particular support against China in background because this support may betray them anytime.

How long you became China's ally, and how long Vietnam stand right there, beside China !? =))
You said like you know, but we know about China more than you, Pakistan.

Vietnam should be careful because they cant stand a chance against China

You can't, but we can ...

If it is not because of CCP's low profile policy, you'd see Hanoi be covered by thousands of CJ-10 missiles already.

Vietnamese monkeys should understand that they are dealing with a army permanently stationed 150km away from its capital city.

I still waiting it, so long for your missile fly over here, uneducation kid ...

THAT IS VIETNAMESE SEA!
They have the right to protect it. it is not aggressive.
The amount of Chinese people who does not know about their greedy expansion is too damn high!

Chinese believe they own all water surrounding it, and anyone don't agree with them will become "aggressive".

 

[Soryu]

http://file.haixiachina.com/filebas...ixiachina7daa628bb0c6c52c7738afbffdcd3d95.jpg

This is HCM problem, he put his trust to wrong person and drove VN to deepest seabed. It's OK, VN learned from the mistake and stand up for good. My hope VN leaders right now will not show warm hug withc China smile face but inside them is a big arsenal.

Your nickname is QDNDVN, but your lesson about our history so poor.
HCM was not mistake about China.
In 1943-1945, both USA and some Communist party support us.But after we kick out Japanese, USA want "given" Vietnam to ROC, France want return and re-up their colony, they want rip-off Vietnamese, again.
What can we choice if we didn't came to China and USSR !? (even though, we know there's risk about that)